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    Dear friends,

    Thank you for coming together today to celebrate my life and to remember me. As my friends and loved ones, you’ll have known that the stars, the planets and astronomy were a lifelong passion of mine. I deeply appreciated and loved our fascinating and wonderful universe. As my parting gift to you all, I’d like to share a thought about the cosmos. I find this thought to be exquisitely beautiful and I hope you will too.



    This thought doesn’t concern my consciousness. That brief spark of self-awareness has gone out, never to return. Instead, this thought concerns the ultimate fate of my body. Or more specifically, the atoms that my body is composed of. In this universe all patterns of matter and energy must change over time and my pattern is no different, no exception to that rule. But the changes my unliving body will undergo and the new patterns it may be recycled into are a source of wonder and fascination to me.



    My atoms will go into the soil of this land. But even when the human race is long dead or departed from this planet, the story will not be over. In the far distant future our Sun will grow and change into a red giant star. Most likely, the Earth will be swallowed up in the Sun’s bloated, outer atmosphere, dissolving and vaporizing in the heat.

    The atoms that made up my body will become part of this boiling, superheated mix of gases. In a kind of last gasp, the Sun will shed its atmosphere, leaving behind just it’s tiny, blazingly hot core - changing from a red giant into a white dwarf star. It’s possible that my atoms will be absorbed into the Sun and remain there. But if that doesn’t happen, then they will be blown off into interstellar space, along with the rest of the Sun’s gaseous atmosphere.



    These gases will drift for billions of years through the Milky Way galaxy until they gather into new clouds of star-forming material. Just as our Sun is a second or third generation star, formed from one of these clouds long ago, so new generations of stars will be formed from our dying Sun’s expelled gases. Just as the Earth formed in orbit around the Sun, so new planets will form around these new suns and my atoms may well be incorporated into these new worlds.

    If the conditions are right, life may arise there and perhaps evolve to become self-aware, just as it did here. I consider this an amazing and exhilarating thought. That the materials of my body have the long-term potential to become part of a new pattern of life and consciousness. So, I do not fear my death in any way. Instead, I welcome it and accept it as part of the natural order of things.



    Therefore, please do not weep for me. I no longer exist. If you do cry, I hope it’s because you miss me. J.R.R. Tolkien described this sadness of loss and parting very well at the end of his Lord of the Rings trilogy. The hobbits Pippin, Merry and Sam wept because their good friend and companion Gandalf was leaving them forever. However, their tears were not for him, but for themselves. They cried tears of loss because they were losing him, not because he was lost. Here are his last words to them.

    “Well, here at last, dear friends, on the shores of the Sea comes the end of our fellowship in Middle-earth. Go in peace! I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.”



    And now my friends, my last word to you is a fond… farewell.

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  1. How about hypocrisy? That is, Christians saying one thing, but doing another. Claiming to hold to a certain standard, but living by another. Such as Christians saying that no evidence would shake their faith, but living their lives by evidence. Every day heeding the evidence of their eyes and ears, but then rejecting any evidence that would falsify their faith. This hypocritical double standard is quite objectionable.
  2. How the discovery of Jesus' bones in his tomb? You wouldn't need to die and Christianity would be as dead as Christ. That convince you? Oops! Just noticed that it wouldn't. It looks like even though you live your life by evidence, you quietly drop that rule when it comes to your faith. Got it.
  3. Exactly. If you see imperfectly NOW, then according to Paul you do not have perfect knowledge and perfect understanding - which are the signs of the post-Apostolic Age. Therefore, we still must be in the Apostolic Age. Which you say finished two thousand years ago, when John died. So now, to keep to your word, you must reject Jesus and your Christian faith. . . . Bumped for Ironhorse's attention! Re-bumped for Ironhorse's attention!
  4. Hello PennySerenade. I'm not annoyed by this but I do think it's a great shame when Christians fail to keep their word. A Christian member of this forum called Ironhorse is currently trying to avoid keeping his word. This thread explains it. http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/77981-please-remind-ironhorse-to-keep-his-word/?tab=comments#comment-1161095 Thanks, BAA.
  5. Hello. Recently the Christian Ironhorse wrote this... If the scriptures taught that the Gift of Healing (as practiced by Jesus and the Apostles) were for all believers throughout history, I would have to reject the Christian faith. Because I do not see it happening today. I have family and friends who genuinely sought for and prayed for healing. They all died. I would be bitter and angry at God, if I had placed all my faith and trust in Him for a miracles and the miracles never happened. ...in this thread. http://www.ex-christian.net/topic/77
  6. If your dad died two days ago End, then what the hell are you doing here, in the Den? This is not a peaceful place for Christians. Please, stop trying to work out your anger issues here and go grieve properly.
  7. Indeed, sdelsoray. This Monday he replied to LogicalFallacy, saying that I'd be the first one to ask about proof. But about a month ago, he assured me in another thread that he knew and understood that I don't ask for proofs, except in math and logic. Posted October 27 Aware of your last three posts BAA. Thanks, these are just observations. . . . You're aware of my last three posts... but you're unaware that only math uses proofs.
  8. Posted just now Yet another "Hey look over there". You spend much time promoting trust in others, and you do so quite sanctimoniously. I suggest you spend time determining why others do not trust you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sdelsolray, Notice how today End says that trust isn't always based on evidence. But nine days ago, in response to you, he wrote this... No. I can loo
  9. May I raise a point of order to a point of order to another point of order. What you say is valid, LF. Such a contradictory case is found within scripture. But it sits within the overall scriptural context I've described earlier. The context being that every human except Adam and Eve was cursed by God before they were born. So, everyone is punished for the sins of just two people. Punished with disease, deformity, decrepitude and death. Everyone. Since God already unjustly punishes every generation for the sins of two people, it's really no surprise that he'll happily pu
  10. No. Even though Lyra's used the word, 'let' in her question, that's misleading. God doesn't passively let these things happen. Nor does he need to seek permission of anyone to let them happen, either. He is the initiator of them. He's eternal and unchanging. He planned to do them before he created time and space. Before Genesis 1 : 1. These things are His will. As that Romans quote tells us. Romans 8:19-23 New International Version (NIV) 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subje
  11. And how does this address Lyra's question in any way, End? She didn't ask about salvation, but about God's motivation for ordaining some people to be born into existences that are truly nothing but misery.
  12. End3, 1. Why would a perfect, just, all-good God allow a person to be born in a North Korea prison camp, live their whole life there and die there, without knowing anything other than depravity and torture at the Auschwitz level, because their grandparents rebelled against the government? 2. Even if we were to accept that the horribly deformed baby posted by BornAgainAtheist was the result of sin (assuming perhaps that the parents' "sin" led to it), why would an all-just and all-good perfect God make the innocent baby forced to live the life of nothing but suffering, i
  13. All well and good, End. But Lyra didn't ask about parents adversely affecting the lives of their children by mismanagement. She asked about why God would 'sentence' people to a horrible life. She talked about God making things harder for them, not their parents or ancestors making things harder for them. This was her OP. Posted November 18 In Christianity, when people have terrible traumas/tragedies in life, it's generally compared to Job and accompanied by statements like "God is making things harder for you now but they will be so much better later."
  14. A point of order, Florduh. Lyra's OP and question was about the Christian god. According to the Bible that God doesn't do what End3 claims he does. End's god inflicts the sins of the parents onto the child. But the god of the Bible doesn't do that. So, strictly speaking, he hasn't been answering Lyra's question. In this thread there are two themes running in parallel. Lyra's questions about the God of the Bible and End's different god. Whenever the topic veers on to generational sin, then the God of the bible and the bible itself is not being discussed. So,
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