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  1. At this point this seems to be the case. I will admit that when I first heard about the vaccines, way back at the start of all this, I was wary. It seemed like the whole thing was going to be rushed and we the people were just going to be guinea pigs. I had visions of thalidomide babies running through my head. Then I did a little reading and learned that they were really just building these vaccines on decades old research and adapting it to this latest Covid-19 virus. It was really already finished tech but not rolled out for previous SARS virus threats and with all the Covid-19 patients they could run all the protocols in parallel instead of serially. I realized my fears were unfounded and the vaccines were the safer path compared to an infection. mwc
  2. Why don't you trust this vaccine specifically? I've had a full dose of Pfizer. Everyone I know has had a full dose of one of the big three. We've all had the side-effects to varying degree. I've recently taken the first shot of the shingles vaccine and, so far, it was much worse than either of the two covid shots so I'm not looking forward to the second shot of that one. What makes you trust the virus more? Are you of a mind that you simply will not get it? Or do you think you will be a mild case (my aunt was one that was asymptomatic and to this day doesn't believe she had it in spite of the positive tests and nearly everyone else on that side of my family in her proximity coming down with it)? I suppose this is up to you to simply get the virus, and let the chips fall where they may, but it's another issue when you may well pass it along to someone else (like it appears my aunt did and my other aunt, her sister, did die not long after she was infected and "recovered" since she wasn't fully recovered from an earlier surgery). Anyhow, there's nothing in the bible about not getting vaccinated. It actually says a few things about removing yourself from society if you find yourself infected and staying away until you're clean again. Maybe isolate or get the shots. mwc
  3. It's easier to punch down than it is to fight it out with someone that can hit at, or above, your ability. If that's unclear what I'm saying is it's easier to engage with, and convert, the lesser or uninformed. mwc
  4. Yep. But my nephew just got a breakthrough case so he's now going to show as a statistic. He was being careful (double-masking on jobs) and someone he worked with seemed to be infected but denied it. Soon enough they disappeared for a week or so and right after he's laid out. He was supposed to visit but cancelled because of all this. He's miserable, says it's the worse thing he's ever had, and dealing with it alone. He probably won't die but he still worries about long-covid or other covid damage since he does parasailing and things like that which require him to be fairly healthy and doesn't want to have covid ruin it through some sort of damage (like to his lungs or whatnot). mwc
  5. This is all the stuff you tell your mom. You tell her you like the pastor and his wife but if they show up on your doorstep you'll turn them away and it will harm any relationship you might have with them now to mention whatever health effects. If you want them to come to your house you will invite them on your terms not hers. Your mom won't like any of this but odds are she won't want to chance ruining some future chance of you calling them over and go along. Thing is set the limit. Don't let her be involved in any way. What I'm saying is don't let her act as a broker or go-between so she can constantly be in your business pushing for a get-together. Let her know that you'll call the priest if and when you want the priest and she won't be the one to do anything or even be notified if a meeting occurs. mwc
  6. Jesus did come back. It's just not allowed into canon so it doesn't count. mwc
  7. Long story short, no. Though I did see quite a few visions reasonably sober at strip clubs, parties and whatnot. As a xian I would have to say these were not of god. The best visions never were. mwc
  8. Does a sign have to be something you literally see or hear or can it be something you feel? Because I've "felt" that god meant for things to be this way or that. The concept of "meant to be" as it were. Also, coincidences as well. Having a thought and then happening upon things that play into those thoughts or may well be nearly or exactly those thoughts. Really, it's more like a target fixation. Like where people are driving through a nearly empty lot and hit the only other car. They fixate on that target and basically drive themselves into it instead of avoiding it. If I have something on my mind I tend to notice it a lot more than when it's totally out of mind. Noticing people who have the same sort of car, especially when I first buy it, is an example of this sort of fixation. The only time I saw things wasn't related to religion. It was something else altogether, and long story short, it ultimately was related to sleep issues and sleep deprivation. mwc
  9. Happy b-day. It might just be. And? The thing is what people tend to leave out of consideration, and I mean seriously leave out of consideration, is that *all* religions *might* be true. Not just the monotheistic Abrahamic religions. But any and all religions that have ever been and not just the mainstream religions but even the ones that we might call crazy or fringe cults including things like Scientology. Simply everything that has made a claim in this arena. Hundreds, if not thousands, of religions with thousands of gods. If you or I make a product and tons of forgeries come out and flood the market what should we do? Should we try to protect our product? Should we do our best to remove the fakes from the marketplace? Or should we let the frauds exist and severely punish those who simply cannot figure out which is the correct product is the legit one? Shift all the responsibility away from us, the product creator who knows exactly which product is legit, to the buyer who can only go on the word of others that they're not getting a knock-off? Should "let the buyer beware" really be the model for each and every religion? Especially those that promote ideas like eternal damnation? I can only say that it did for me. I only sort of "accidentally" deconverted over several years. In hindsight I was taking the "god" out of my discussions and looking for explanations that weren't simply some form of "goddidit." I actually just cut god out altogether once I had a kitten die (likely got killed by coyotes) and went through a bit of a thought experiment. God can't bring back a dead person for, you know "reasons" (no need to go through all them since we've heard most of them), but a kitten? Why not? No free will. No blabbing to other cats about "the beyond." And since I didn't know for certain the cat was truly dead there was nothing on my end. As I saw it the cat is gone and now it's back. If it didn't die then god brought it back. If it died then the coyote got a free meal and the cat got a story it can't tell (or a mind wipe...it's a cat...again, no free will). But, no cat. I really fixated on this kitten and why it couldn't simply, miraculously, come back since it just could. No harm. No foul. So I asked for a sign that it was dead. I searched everywhere near my house. All over the hills and in and around rocks and the scrub. No sign. I asked for any sign. Silence. I was done. I was probably done before this but the kitten was the last straw. This god offered no comfort. It offered nothing. I realized I was on my own and was simply holding out hope. Grasping at straws, anything, to keep my beliefs alive. I sure do miss that kitten though. mwc
  10. The Book of Daniel might be considered an ancient forgery. It was written at a different time than it pretends to be from. However, I don't know if forgery was it's intent (in that it was intended to deceive everyone for a personal gain). It seems to be a bit of a hodge-podge including an historical allegory about the Maccabees. It would seem couching your true feelings in an "ancient" text might be better described as encoding or encryption (ie. it was meant to conceal information and deceit was only for an out-group). You can spread the news of how things are going, or have gone, to others and they (the ones in the know) can freely read of these things without fear if the enemy happens to get their hands on them since they're from times past. The problem is, the ones not in the know or once the need for "decryption" is lost, then the text is taken at its face value. At that point the false-Daniel (the true stories of the Maccabees) becomes the true story of Daniel. mwc
  11. Hanging out. Seems a reasonable thing for an ex-believer to do. To hang out at such a place and be bored with things such as jesus. Less so that a believer would do and feel the same. What game is that exactly? I need to stay to watch you win. You've kind of set that up haven't you? I don't want to miss out on your glorious victory. Interesting indeed. Aspirational for you to be sure. mwc
  12. You and me both, buddy. mwc
  13. It's well known that verses like the OP all refer to the apostolic age. It began on Pentecost after the resurrection and ended when the last (original) apostle died. They did all sorts of magical things. Better than jesus. So much better. The best of the best. Oh, the things they did. Amazing things. Anyhow, they did them, it was super great for them for awhile, but now no one does. The end. mwc
  14. There it is. I was waiting for this shoe to drop. mwc
  15. Keep the wives on a short leash, eh? mwc
  16. Not all principles are worth dying over. For me I think I'll know which those if/when I'm ever confronted with that choice because I can say anything sitting here on my sofa but, gun literally to my head, that answer may change right quick. mwc
  17. Everything foreshadowed jesus. The only reason anything existed, ever, was to foreshadow jesus. Hell, the story of jesus is to foreshadow jesus (as in the return of jesus). Give this post to an apologist and you'll discover it foreshadows jesus. mwc
  18. Ah, that's disappointing. I would have enjoyed seeing an earlier version. mwc
  19. I thought this was one of the perks of being atheist? mwc
  20. In Greco-Roman societies this hat, the pileus (sp?), was associated with freedom. The sort of freedom that is conveyed was to freed slaves. In Rome was something that they wear in the ceremony of manumission. The personification of liberty, a woman known as Libertas or Liberty (same as the Statue of Liberty), could be seen holding this hat in some images on things (such as coins). Also, during this ceremony they used a rod, whose name I cannot recall, and that was also a symbol of freedom (which I believe is also shown on the coin above along with the Libertas and the hat). Here's a link to the coin since it has a bit more detail about it specifically. mwc
  21. That is from the passport of the Filiki Eteria from the 1800's. Is there an ancient example? mwc
  22. We all deal with these issues differently and sometimes relief is all we have. It's not right or wrong. I have a different story, that I won't go through here, but when my dad died (my relationship with him was different from the one you describe having with your own dad) I also felt more relief than sadness. It was because he was in a long decline that was robbing him of who he was and the strain on him and my mother caused me a lot of pain. I didn't want him to die, and I was very sad (I still am) but relief was just really more prevalent. I think it helped keep me from feeling all the pain of sadness. I don't know. mwc
  23. I sure would die for atheism. It's the only way I can ensure that I can enter a state of pure nothingness, non-being or absolutely not existing, when I die. I cannot risk that by even pretending to have another belief system. mwc
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