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    I'm probably older than most of the members here and have some life experience to look back upon. I never bought into religion and find it the source of too many wars. The more I look at Christianity, the more preposterous it becomes.

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  1. Margee: I do have a religion. I'm a napist. Sorry about the back, though. Back pain is among the worst. Get thee to a good physical therapist and do the exercises he or she gives you religiously. (Well, perhaps not religiously, but regularly!) (BTW, how's the weather in Halifax? It was t-shirt weather here in California today.... 61°F - 16°C )
  2. I would add that demonstrating by example that atheists are good people who share basic positive human values goes a long way toward showing others that being atheistic is not a horrible, miserable existence but can be just as rich and rewarding as any other world view.
  3. There was another article in the news today about a Methodist church in the upper midwest that is closing because of dwindling attendance. Only an average of 29 people showed up on Sundays last year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/01/22/church-allegedly-asked-older-members-leave-leaders-say-that-didnt-actually-happen/
  4. OK, Margee: Re. sitting on our fat asses 1. Moving our bodies: Today I loaded and unloaded office furniture into a U-Haul truck. 2. Skipping a meal a day: Missed lunch because we had to get the job done. 3. Need for stress: Was stressed because we had to get the job done by 2 p.m. And I missed my nap. Does that count?
  5. It can be tough when you have a rational self competing with an emotional self. I don't know if there is a magic wand that can wave away that conflict, but I have found that fact-based education is of major importance. The more reality-based knowledge one has, the less power the emotional self has to interfere.
  6. I would say that people eat what is available. Indigenous peoples ate what they could get. Plains Indians ate buffalo. Arctic peoples ate whale and seal meat. Central Americans probably ate lots of corn. Native Hawaiians ate a combination of fruits and meats. As to myself, I'm on the see food diet. I see food, I eat it.
  7. I'll be waiting. But please don't take too much time to figure it out. I don't have that much time left!
  8. Just today I ended up at some vegetarian place for lunch — not by choice but by expediency. I could't figure out anything on the menu as the items all had weird names and strange ingredients. But everything was supposed to be pure, organic, gluten-free, allergy-free, and totally without any nutritional value whatsoever. So I ordered the first item on the menu and for $9 I got a tube-shaped thing wrapped in a lettuce leaf and containing some unidentifiable assortment of green and red rabbit food and which oozed out some sort of yellow goo when bitten into. Bah. As soon as I got home I grabbed a glass of milk and an extra-large chocolate chip cookie.
  9. I think that is it for more people than we might realize. Oh sure, there are lots of True Believers, but when you take a close look at the folks in the pews, it seems to me that quite a few are just mouthing the words and are eager to get on to the social hall and the free food. (I've previously reported here about attending a mass at Yorkminster in England, and how the show was so damn good that I'd go once in a while just for that. OTOH everything else I've suffered through was excruciatingly boring and not worth tolerating for even a seven course dinner with a good wine and an after-dinner cordial.)
  10. In yesterday's news was a story about seven people in Panama who were found dead after an exorcism. All but one of the victims were children. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51144629
  11. Hope you'll stick around and contribute. It's been rather quiet lately and we could use more folks in the discussions.
  12. Hm. Very valid point, Wertbag. I think if I were filling out a form I just might put "atheist." But if I was having a discussion with a Christian, I still would avoid using the term "atheist." I agree with Florduh's post about theists getting to make the linguistic rules. It shouldn't be that way, but the reality is otherwise. My position is I feel the most effective way to communicate with someone is to use language they understand. Anyone who has studied a foreign language knows that there are elements of one language that just can't be translated easily into another. It may take a whole paragraph in the second language to explain a word or two from the first. So for me to communicate with a Christian, I want to use words in a way that fits into their perspective. Yes, it would be nice if we could educate them as to the meaning of the words as we use them, but that introduces another whole element into the conversation and, when attitudes are not that flexible, which we often see in Christians, our communications might not be received in the way we intend. So I like to meet them on their playing field. I've even used religion as a tactic. Some years ago I encountered a neighbor getting ready to dump trash in the field behind our house. He knows it's against the law. I asked him, "Are you a Christian man?" Him: "Yes." Me: "Remember, God is watching you." He didn't dump the trash.
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