Regular Member
  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


older last won the day on December 21 2016

older had the most liked content!

Community Reputation

806 Outstanding

About older

  • Rank

Profile Information

  • Gender
  • Location
  • Interests
    Logic, reason, common sense.
  • More About Me
    I'm probably older than most of the members here and have some life experience to look back upon. I never bought into religion and find it the source of too many wars. The more I look at Christianity, the more preposterous it becomes.

Previous Fields

  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
  1. Funeral

    Sounds like my wife's uncle's funeral. The preacher preached on and on and little was said about the man. (Although there was little to say....) Most of the family, even being fundies, were not impressed. Augustus, the first Roman emperor, said, "Have I played the part well? Then applaud as I exit."
  2. The Navy Thread

    My first assignment was as a janitor's mate in the squadron HQ building. I was to be there every day at 0400 to empty the trash, shine the deck, and make the coffee in the chief's lounge. One morning I forgot to make the coffee. It would have been much better if I'd forgotten to empty the trash and shine the deck. In fact, it would have been better if I'd shown up naked. But I was lucky as it only took about a half-hour to brew and I was able to disappear until the caffeine took effect. I did not forget that again. BTW, I was living in the barracks at the time and in order to be up and on duty at 0400, I had to hit the rack at about 2000 hours (8 p.m.). Now there were about 50 guys living in my wing of the barracks, which was just one big room, and it was therefore quite noisy. I learned how to sleep regardless of what was going on around me, a skill that has served me well to this day.
  3. The Navy Thread

    It's easier to just cut and paste from the other thread, which was about the Navy pilots who, late last year, drew a penis in the sky. I told of my flying in a C-47, which was LOTS of fun: "I got some flight time in a C-47 with an old E-9 left over from WW II when they made chiefs pilots for supply and support runs. This guy had a face like a bulldog, a stub of an unlit cigar permanently punctuating his jowels. His cap was folded down from the headphones, and his gruff demeanor was all show. He’d been flying for at least 30 years, and had been through most everything in the air. His seniority let him get away with his rumpled uniform and I'm sure he took no guff from the young punk jet jockeys. I had no fears going aloft with him; he’d been everywhere and done everything a pilot could do. Central Casting could not have found a better character." While the Navy mostly sucked, there were times when you got to play with some very expensive toys. Unfortunately, those times were few and far between.
  4. The Navy Thread

    Dude: Picking at my brain will produce no usable results. I don't have anything I can think of that would be a good history of sub warfare. What I know comes from the guys who were there. One told me that there wasn't storage space for all the needed food so the large cans of food were just stacked on the decks in the passageways. Even the short guys had to bend over at the beginning of a cruise. Then there was, as mentioned, the hot racking. There was only one or perhaps two heads for the entire crew, and showers didn't happen and clothes didn't get washed. When submerged there was no air conditioning and it was always hot inside. The guys worked partially clothed and just learned to live with the stink. As to the bell bottoms, I don't know of any reason for them. The legs narrowed at the thighs so getting them off over shoes wouldn't work that well regardless of the bell bottom. We were taught to use pants as flotation devices by filling the legs with air, although this would only work for a short time before the air would seep out. Better than nothing, though. We were also taught how to abandon ship by jumping overboard. You don't dive. You go in feet first, crossing your legs and arms. You do not hold your nose as the impact with the water could force your arm up and by grasping your nose, you'd break it. And if there is oil on fire on the water, you use your hands before coming up to spread it out and try to make a hole for yourself in the oil slick. I've written on this site in other threads about going flying in a C-47. If I can find the link I'll post it here.
  5. The Navy Thread

    Over on the "History of the F word" thread a couple of us drifted off topic and got into stuff about the Navy, as that's a place where the F word is perhaps the most commonly used word. Duderonomy asked a question and rather than hijack that thread, this is a new one. Anything you have to say about the Navy or your experiences in it belongs here. Here's where we left off: [From Duderonomy]: You didn't hijack anything. Damn the fucking torpedoes, full speed ahead! I've read some good books about subs and the Navy and so on, but I wasn't there and you were. Not to put you on the spot, but can you recommend any good books that explain what it was like? Speaking of uniforms, can you settle an argument? Not one I've had but one I read about a long time ago. Why did Navy uniforms have bell bottoms? Was it so they could get the pants off easier in the water if they had to swim a long way and didn't want to be weighed down, or another reason? Wow older, I'm really picking at your brain here.
  6. History of the 'F' Word

    Dude: I don't want to hijack this fucking thread, so I'll start one in this subforum titled "The Navy thread." Geezer was NAV also, and perhaps he and any other old salts out there would like to contribute Navy stories.
  7. History of the 'F' Word

    All NAV, All the Way. No foxholes, a bunk every night, and pretty good food. And the traditional uniform, although looking ridiculous, was comfortable and easy to stow. Been aboard subs, but never to sea. You are right. It takes a certain kind of mind to do that. And the hot racking just doesn't cut it. That's the practice of having half the number of racks, or bunks, for the crew, because half of them are always on duty while the other half sleeps. So you share a rack with someone else. And your rack could be in the forward torpedo room, atop a live torpedo. When I was in, we had a cynical view of the enlisted lifers. We figured they stayed in because they didn't have enough going for them to make it on the outside. But when we saw someone wearing the twin dolphins, we felt like saluting, because we knew what they had to do to earn that pin. Anyone interested should read about life aboard a WWII sub. Those guys deserved every recognition they got. The undersea warfare in the Pacific didn't get the attention it deserved, in large part because of the attention on Europe, and the island hopping battles in the Pacific. Sorry for hijacking this fucking thread.
  8. History of the 'F' Word

    A great description. I use the verbal Swiss Army knife in my shop when talking to my tools. Sometimes they (the tools) misbehave and need to be disciplined. My wife calls it Navy language. On occasion I go for the full menu: "Goddamn motherfucking son of a bitch." I always feel better afterward. Mark Twain had a few things to say about the exercise of one's vocabulary: "My swearing doesn't mean any more to me than your sermons do to you." - comment made to Rev. Joe Twichell, quoted in Mark Twain and Hawaii, by Walter Francis Frear "When it comes down to pure ornamental cursing, the native American is gifted above the sons of men." - Roughing It "Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain, a Biography [Note that Twain was an atheist.] "There ought to be a room in every house to swear in. It's dangerous to have to repress an emotion like that." - Mark Twain, a Biography
  9. History of the 'F' Word

    It's a fucking joke, but not that far from fucking reality. Anyone who has been in the fucking Navy understands. Joking aside, there really was an abbreviation used by all hands when some piece of equipment was no longer any good: NFG. This was universal, used even by those few who went to chapel regularly.
  10. Progress?

    And take it slow. Seeds take time to germinate and sprout. Keep watering them, not too much, not too little.
  11. History of the 'F' Word

    Some sailors were about to be discharged from the Navy at the end of their service. The chaplain was called to chat with the men (they were all men) about readjusting to civilian life. He talked about how Navy life is quite different from the civilian world — the men had been out to sea for a long time and had been separated from shore life. The chaplain went on and talked about what it would be like to sit down with the family for that first dinner home, and he offered one last bit of advice: "And when you ask someone to pass the salt, don't describe it."
  12. Progress?

    Inch by inch...... Good luck.
  13. While little that happens in Texas surprises me, this one did. This judge needs to be sent off to find a new line of work.
  14. The wisdom of chidren

    Kids are often smarter than we think. My eight-year-old granddaughter, on her own initiative, made up a birthday card for her younger sister's fifth birthday. Inside, she wrote: "Smile. A life ahead of you waits to be found. It's still hidden."
  15. ^ ^ ^ Wish I could up-vote this one twice. Great advice.