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  1. I think this needs further definition. When Christians force their beliefs on others through legislation or through social pressure, I think they are over the line. Personally, I have no issue with Christianity if Christians would keep to themselves. But I see proselytization as inherent to Christianity and there are many examples of the religion being forced upon others (and, historically, with much violence). In such cases, I do fault Christians. Here's a cartoon that looks at this from the perspective of someone outside Christianity:
  2. Margee is right. If you don't accept the guilt, there is nothing more they can do. Their feelings are not your responsibility. You might do a net search for "assertive rights." There are several versions out there but the gist of it is that you have the right to your feelings and actions and you are not responsible for others. And you do not have to offer reasons, excuses or explanations. You have the right to be your own person and to be happy.
  3. I'm waiting for someone to come up with a test case on this. Invent a church in which racial discrimination is a core belief. Jump through all the necessary hoops to show that such a church has members and that their racist beliefs are central to it's dogma. Do everything that the IRS and any other government entity would require to show that this church is legitimate. Then goad someone into taking them to court, and see what the court does.
  4. Welcome. Stick around and join in the discussions.
  5. Say, LMTO, thanks for coming by and thanks for challenging our thinking. While we won't agree, it is worthwhile to have a good discussion. And thanks for maintaining your cool when you could have gone off the rails. Not all of our visitors do as well.
  6. Feeling that way is normal because you've been brainwashed and your rational brain and your emotional brain are dueling it out. Eventually your rational brain will win. On the first day of spring, get out early in the morning to a secluded place with a view to the east and watch the sun rise, and with it a new life for yourself. I've posted this several times recently and I hope the regulars will forgive me for posting it again, but I find it worthwhile: Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. —Arthur Ashe
  7. Before you go, grab a copy of A Manual for Creating Athesits by Peter Boghosian. It's a short book that might give you some ideas.
  8. So how do you answer the "why do bad things happen to good people" question? (I'm going off line until tomorrow night. C ya then.)
  9. I don't view it as an excuse. I view it as sufficient evidence for the non-existence of the Christian god.
  10. If you're good at debate, why not go? At the least it would be an adventure into their minds.
  11. So does that mean you believe in a deity that knows everything, created everything (including cancer), exists everywhere, has planned everything in advance, and can do absolutely anything (but won't, as I've pointed out above), and who sent himself to earth and then killed himself in order to avenge himself for a curse he put on us because one of our distant ancestors and a rib woman ate fruit off a magical tree after being told to do it by a talking snake?* __________ *Not all my original words. I don't have the source for the second half of that sentence.
  12. But the article didn't say where I can send my money. Hey, I found his bio website! Here's a quote. This guy must be legit. He wouldn't say this if he wasn't: His ministry is replete with healings,deep & accurate prophetic ministration,deliverance,creative miracles and above all a reconciliation of people to GOD. He teaches and preaches the unadulterated word of GOD without any compromise and with a great deal of passion and courage!!! Prophet Gaisie thus a young man of dignity and intergrity is a great believer of the Bible to the core and the demonstration of the grace and power available through the Holy Spirit is his hallmark.He does not believe in the selling of items in the house of God,I.e..oil,water hankerch etc cos the church is not a market place or entertainment centre. https://ghanachurch.com/profile-biography-of-prophet-nigel-gaisie/
  13. Yes. The storm always ends and the sun always shines.
  14. My career related to photojournalism. I have seen photographs that the public will never see. Photographs that validate the Dan Barker quote in Truthseeker0's post above. Photographs of children starving to death. Children dying slow, painful deaths from horrible diseases. Children born with horrific deformities that exceed the most demented of human imaginations, and destined for a life of pain and suffering. Photographs of human beings barely surviving in conditions that are not fit for insects. This tangible, verifiable evidence, which I observed over a period of 40 years, satisfies me that the Christian god cannot exist as he is defined. No loving, omnipotent god would allow these things to happen. If there is a god, it cannot be loving, omniscient, or omnipotent, and therefore is not worth my time and attention.
  15. Thanks, Citsonga, for keeping this going. It's a bright spot in an otherwise dreary onslaught of news reports.
  16. An interesting development. If religion is declining in the US, we still have a long way to go. It is estimated that the US that 78 percent of the population is Christian. So to get to even 50 percent Christian, if my math is right, we'd have to see about 87 million people drop out of Christianity to get to that level.* I don't see that happening. _________________ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#North_America . (I think the math is wrong for the actual number. The percentage looks correct.)
  17. Like we did with Dozer in the recently locked "I'm still Christian" thread. He refused to answer the question and, in the end, won the troll-of-the-month award. Note that many of the 13 fallacies in the article involve an overwhelming presumptuousness on the part of the Christians. They so often think they know what is going on in our minds. To them I would answer that to know what is in my mind is something that, if your god existed, only he could do. So for you to claim you know what's there is a form of pride, which is one of the seven deadly sins. So you need to fall down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for your presumptuousness.
  18. Please excuse the interlude, but I found this on the internet: "My shrink told me that the path to inner peace was to finish what I start. So far, I’ve finished three beers. I feel better already."
  19. Here ya go: “Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature’s peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves.” — John Muir
  20. cb1500: You will find the group beneficial. Many years ago I went to a couple of groups about a couple of things (not religious) and the big benefit was finding out that I was not the only one with a problem. Just hearing others helped me realize that it wasn't as bad as I thought, and I figured out some ways to deal with it. (And I also saw some folks who inadvertently showed me what I did not want to become.) I'm fairly certain that you'll come out of it stronger and with some tools available that will help.
  21. With you on that. I hated school so weekends were like being on probation. But then Sunday came along and spoiled the freedom. The biggest thing I learned from going to church and Sunday school is the meaning of the word "boredom."
  22. Another voice here welcoming you. Feel free to vent, dump, or whatever you need, anytime you need to do it. Many of the folks here have been down the road you are on and are great listeners and helpers.
  23. Be sure to let us know how the meeting went. We don't mean to pry, but we do care.
  24. Probably because they were expecting a discount. My neighbor mentioned in our chat that he was getting a good price. I've had some rather poor service from alleged Christians over the years, so I wouldn't give the fish logo in the shop window any more credit than I'd give to anyone else. Trust but verify. Or, as we in journalism used to say, if your mother says she loves you, check it out. I don't think businesses should mix religion or politics. My wife won't go into one store here because their politics are heavily displayed in their window and inside. I will say that my barber has a Bible on the table with the gun and car magazines, and one on his stand by the barber chair. But he doesn't bring it up with me so I'm OK with that. (Which is fortunate as there are only two real barber shops left in my town. Most are "salons" into which I will not go.)
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