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  1. Sounds like the Navy. Even for those who didn't swear, there was one acronym that was universally used: NFG. Applied to the data tag on a piece of broken equipment, it means No __ Good. There is a joke about the sailors who are about to be discharged. The chaplain gathered them together for a talk about adjusting to civilian life. He told them about how some of the friends they might have had before they enlisted may have drifted away. He told them that they would qualify for various benefits. And finally, he said, "And when you sit down with your family for that first dinner at home, and you ask someone to pass the salt, don't describe it."
  2. Getting back to the title of this post.... There is a fundy in-law of mine who makes mission trips. Once he was telling us about his visit to a Greek island where they built some houses. He said that when they were done, they went around town knocking on doors and giving away bibles. "Some of the people threw them at us," he said with a chuckle. Obviously, it never dawned on him that his actions were insulting and intrusive.
  3. Hm. So, since he didn't own me, the punk who beat me up in junior high school was over the line? By the way, here's another juicy one: Exodus 21:7 “And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.” Damn! Does this mean I could have sold my daughter and made a profit instead of spending all that money on piano lessons, leotards and ballet shoes? What would my 401K have looked like now?
  4. Yes, he did. How about this one from Exodus 21: “20. And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property." So you can beat the crap out of someone and as long as the poor creature lives at least a day, you are off the hook. What a deal!
  5. Here ya go: “Buddhists do not engage in the practice of proselytisation” “Hinduism lacks a proselytism tradition.” “Sikhism is not a proselytizing religion and proselytism is largely discouraged” “in the modern era Judaism generally does not proselytize non-Jews …. Generally, Jews expect any convert to Judaism to come through their own accord.“ “Sects of some religions, such as the Druze, Yazidis, and Zoroastrians, do not accept converts at all” Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proselytism
  6. MWC makes an interesting comment. Wouldn’t it be nice if we all could just get along? I think we all agree that people should not be persecuted for their benign beliefs, but what happens when those beliefs are no longer benign? Which leads to this thought: Some people in both Christianity and Islam try to push their religion onto others, sometimes covertly and sometimes overtly, some even resorting to physical force. So when someone objects to the actions of those Christians or Muslims, at what point does that objection change from being resistant to being suppressive? Here in America, many Christians interpret objection as persecution (see the cartoon I posted in the fifth entry on this thread). So who gets to define the crossover point into persecution when objections are measured and non-violent?
  7. Mashi: I do not deny that Christians are persecuted. What I deny is OrdinaryClay's claim that "the persecution of Christians is unmatched by any other group." I stand by my last paragraph. As to North Korea, the facts depend upon your source. According to a Wikkipedia article, since the 1980s, North Korea is opening up to Christianity. Billy Graham and Franklin Graham have both visited as has the Pope. In the 1980s, North Korea produced its own translation of the Bible.1 As to Saudi Arabia, while a Muslim who converts to another religion can be put to death, there have been no reports of such punishment in modern times.2 While China does monitor churches of all types and requires churches to be government approved, Christianity has gone from four million in 1949 to about 31 million today.3 In Nigeria, the Boko Haram folks are bad dudes seeking to impose Shria law, and they do go after Christians. Not to diminish their horrors, but most of it is in the north, while Christians are dominant in the south. About 40 percent of the population of Nigeria is Christian.4 _________ 1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_North_Korea#Christianity 2https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia#Christian_community_today 3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China#Unregistered_churches 4https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Nigeria
  8. So you wrote that you're not talking about historical persecution, nor are you talking about persecution in America. Thus constrained, how about the persecution of people with albinism in China, where the condition is considered bad luck. Such persons cannot get jobs or educations, and are socially ostracized. How about in Tanzania, Malawi, Kenya and the Democratic Republic of Congo? Persons with albinism are killed and their body parts are used by witch doctors to make potions that are supposed to bring prosperity to the user. And in some cases they are killed because some people think they bring bad luck. And in some places it is thought that having sex with a person with albinism cures AIDS. How about the Uyghurs, an ethnic minority in China, a million of whom have been locked up in concentration camps in northwest China, and where in 2017 alone at least half a million children were forcefully separated from their families, and placed in pre-school camps with prison-style surveillance systems and 10,000 volt electric fences. Show me where Christians are killed and their body parts are used for magical potions. Show me where they are killed because superstitious people think they are cursed and therefore bring bad luck. Show me where the idea that screwing one will cure a disease. Show me where a million Christians have been locked up because they want to grow a beard, have a prayer rug, or because one of their relatives offended the government. If you are a troll, you are succeeding. Your ignorance is making me angry.
  9. Many years ago there was a supermarket tabloid called The Weekly World News. It's only on line now at http://weeklyworldnews.com Their stories center around the Bat Boy, and UFOs, Bigfoot, and more. A great time waster. Some of their stories might be an inspiration for you. In their print days there were classified ads in the back for various cults and nutter religions, all of which were much farther out than Christianity. As a practical joke birthday present for my dad, I sent in his name and address and the few bucks some of them asked for. He got a huge pile of all this stuff and had a great laugh over it. Some of them kept sending him stuff for years.
  10. 1:25. Note that the strip "More Videos" along the bottom includes Susan Boyle, Victor Borge, How To Remove a Stump Cheaply and Effectively, and The Top 20 Greatest Drum Intros of All Time!
  11. Of course not. The standards for judging humans are far superior.
  12. ^ ^ ^ To answer your question of how to deal with it, TruthSeeker has the answer. Refuse to participate. Refuse to listen, repeat, defend, or partake in any way whatsoever. As TS writes, set your personal boundaries and enforce them, even if that means having to physically leave, hang up, unfollow, unfriend, or whatever.
  13. No, all religions do not proselytize. The most basic research will reveal those that do not. And, in fact, there are some religions that do not admit new members at all. And as far as I can determine, Christianity is the only one that actively sends missionaries out to convert non-Christians.
  14. Yup. My grandkids would laugh at this format. And there is no way they would ever post on Facebook anything about their lives that adults might see. Texting, Snapchat and Instagram seem to be the media of choice. Texting seems to be the main thing for them. And what's amusing to me is that they will text back and forth in real time when it would be easier, quicker and carry more nuance to just call and talk. But, horrors, they won't do that.
  15. ^ ^ ^ ! ! ! A basic tenet of Christianity is proselytization. If they'd stick to themselves I think most folks wouldn't mind. But they have a long, long history, one that continues today, of forcing their beliefs down other people's throats, either indirectly through social pressure or directly through the passage of laws that favor their beliefs and diminish or deny others, or through outright force.
  16. Touché Thurisaz. I think the answer to violence in America will never be found. Tonight's news reports that 20 children have been shot and killed in the St. Louis city area so far this year. In Chicago 309 people have been killed this year. As I sit here pondering this, dozens of causes come to mind, the solutions to which require major changes to our culture, our government, and our attitudes toward ourselves and others.
  17. Sure. They say having money is bad and what you need to do is send it to them. Wertbag has some excellent advice. You need to start NOW setting aside money for retirement. You have just under 20 years to take care of this. There are lots of misconceptions about Social Security. It is not and never was intended to be a retirement program. It exists only to keep retirees from starving. Social Security will not cover all your expenses in retirement. The key is to put aside a certain amount of money each month in an interest bearing vehicle of some sort. Do it with automatic payments so you don't forget. And never, never withdraw from this fund until you are retired. Increase your contributions as your income increases; if you get a raise, consider putting it all into this fund if you are living fine without it. As your fund grows to perhaps five figures, contact a certified financial planner who is independent and thus is less inclined to sell a specific product. He or she will help you create a diversified plan. You will not regret this. Some folks say that this is all good and fine but they just absolutely can't afford to do it. Well, if you can't pay your bills now, how will you pay them when you are retired and have no income? This is not to say you need to live like some sort of ascetic. But as Wertbag writes, many folks fritter away money in ways they don't realize. (Example — I have a friend who ate lunch out every work day for 40 years. A sack lunch for most of those days would have saved him tens of thousands of dollars. And what about paying money for a bottle of water — something that you can get for free? The list of examples is a long one.) And this does not mean that you are being selfish. To not take care of your own needs is a form of selfishness as those needs will eventually fall upon others.
  18. I'm with Fuego on this. If you have lenses in your eyeballs that can focus the light onto the back of your eyeball, I would advise not doing this. It would be the same as holding a magnifying glass such that it focuses the sun's rays onto your skin. It will get very hot very quickly. And for the sighted folks, there are documented cases of people getting high and staring at the sun and losing their sight. If you want to look at the sun, go on line and buy some Baader solar filter film. It's an aluminized mylar that's designed for filtering the sun for visual observation. Sunglasses, even in multiple layers, are not good enough.
  19. One of my favorite quotes: What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night. It is the breath of a buffalo in the winter time. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset. — Crowfoot, a Blackfoot chief And one more: Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. — Arthur Ashe
  20. Many decades ago when I was an undergrad student I read a book titled, Violence in America. (I don't think it was the same as current books with the same title. The book was some sort of formal study with numerous footnotes and references.) This was an historical account that traced our history beginning with the first settlers onward. The hypothesis was that the country was settled and founded as a result of violence, by people for whom violence was almost a norm. Thus it is bred into our national psyche.
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    Speaking of lovey dovey, have you ever noticed the smiles that so many of these folks seem to have? There is just something about them that gives me the creeps.
  22. The whole tree, nay, the whole damn orchard is rotten. A little investigation will reveal that this issue goes all the way back to at least the 11th century. Nuns have been abused by priests for hundreds of years. In the current set of scandals, at least 3000 priests have been investigated. In 2018 the New York Times wrote that 1000 kids were abused in Pennsylvania. CBS reported in June that the Church of Pedophilia spent $10.6 million lobbying against laws that would help victims obtain justice. Here is an interesting database: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbydiocese.html Finally, in 2018, CNN reported that the Church of Pedophilia has paid out more than $3.8 billion (that is Billion, with a B ) in lawsuits and claims by 8600 survivors in the United States alone since the 1950s. And that's only the cases that are known.
  23. older


    We've been through six for close family and none were big extravaganzas. Two were at churches because they were active there, but expenses were minimal. Another was at a church because the deceased was young and (a) the mom wanted it there and (b) we knew that about 500 people would show up. The fourth was a veteran and it was done at the veteran's cemetery by the VA. Number five was just five people at our house. Number six was no ceremony, no gathering, nothing, according to the wishes of the s.o. In all cases there was no casket, no hearse or procession, no graveside etc. Food was volunteer potluck type. All were cremations. Cremated remains were: 1. Spread at sea; 2. and 3. kept by survivors; 4. and 5. Buried in cemetery; 6. Spread by family in a place that had been special to the person. I don't think even the most expensive of these cost more than a couple of thousand, and that one mostly due to a donation to the church that hosted it.
  24. There was another specialist I went to years ago who scolded me for wasting his time and said, and this is a direct quote that I will not forget, "If our waiting room was full of people with your condition we wouldn't make any money."
  25. I'm not looking for advice — I just want to complain about doctors who bring their religion into the exam room and/or let their religious beliefs affect their approach to medicine. No matter how healthy you are, as you get older you will see various doctors including specialists. It seems that the days of the family doctor who took care of 90 percent of your ailments is gone, and in the last five or ten years I’ve been sent to a dermatologist, a urologist, an ophthalmologist, an orthopedist, and so on. And I have just left one specialist who, during my exam, used the word "blessed" at least six times. I will not be going back. Taking it further, our state has a “right to die” law that allows a terminally ill person to receive drugs from a physician to end his or her life. On my first visit to another specialist, I asked him if he would sign on for such an event and he said that he was a Christian and could not do that. While I haven’t asked all of my various doctors this question, I know that at least one and possibly two others are strongly religious and probably would not participate. And that is a problem that other folks in this state are having — finding doctors who will go along with the law. Fortunately, my family practice doctor is a realist, but I live in Fundyville; the mega-churches abound and new ones seem to be built frequently. And specialists are in high demand here and it is hard to be picky. There are only two hospitals, one of which is run by the Catholic church. And the church has issued orders to their hospitals to confine their treatments to those which fit into Catholic theology. Unfortunately, I have a Very Serious condition that, although it’s under control and is of no immediate threat, could conceivably be life ending, and the best place to treat that is affiliated with the Catholic hospital. And the doctor who is treating me has a good reputation in the business and is very thorough. Finding someone else here in this very narrow specialty would be extremely difficult. But it is possible that I could be in the position of wanting to take advantage of that death with dignity law. Of course, I have directed my family to take me to the secular hospital should the need arise, but that is not the time to be shopping for a doctor. So I just hope that I’m never in a position where my health care needs conflict with someone’s religious philosophy. A contributor to this site, Valerie Tarico, wrote about this back in 2013, and she concludes: When it comes to medical options, whose beliefs count, the Bishop’s or the patient’s? Who gets to say whether one woman is forced to incubate a pregnancy gone wrong or another is force fed at the end of life? Whose version of god gets to dictate how you live and how we die?
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