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  1. ^ ^ ^ To answer your question of how to deal with it, TruthSeeker has the answer. Refuse to participate. Refuse to listen, repeat, defend, or partake in any way whatsoever. As TS writes, set your personal boundaries and enforce them, even if that means having to physically leave, hang up, unfollow, unfriend, or whatever.
  2. No, all religions do not proselytize. The most basic research will reveal those that do not. And, in fact, there are some religions that do not admit new members at all. And as far as I can determine, Christianity is the only one that actively sends missionaries out to convert non-Christians.
  3. Yup. My grandkids would laugh at this format. And there is no way they would ever post on Facebook anything about their lives that adults might see. Texting, Snapchat and Instagram seem to be the media of choice. Texting seems to be the main thing for them. And what's amusing to me is that they will text back and forth in real time when it would be easier, quicker and carry more nuance to just call and talk. But, horrors, they won't do that.
  4. ^ ^ ^ ! ! ! A basic tenet of Christianity is proselytization. If they'd stick to themselves I think most folks wouldn't mind. But they have a long, long history, one that continues today, of forcing their beliefs down other people's throats, either indirectly through social pressure or directly through the passage of laws that favor their beliefs and diminish or deny others, or through outright force.
  5. Touché Thurisaz. I think the answer to violence in America will never be found. Tonight's news reports that 20 children have been shot and killed in the St. Louis city area so far this year. In Chicago 309 people have been killed this year. As I sit here pondering this, dozens of causes come to mind, the solutions to which require major changes to our culture, our government, and our attitudes toward ourselves and others.
  6. Sure. They say having money is bad and what you need to do is send it to them. Wertbag has some excellent advice. You need to start NOW setting aside money for retirement. You have just under 20 years to take care of this. There are lots of misconceptions about Social Security. It is not and never was intended to be a retirement program. It exists only to keep retirees from starving. Social Security will not cover all your expenses in retirement. The key is to put aside a certain amount of money each month in an interest bearing vehicle of some sort. Do it with automatic payments so you don't forget. And never, never withdraw from this fund until you are retired. Increase your contributions as your income increases; if you get a raise, consider putting it all into this fund if you are living fine without it. As your fund grows to perhaps five figures, contact a certified financial planner who is independent and thus is less inclined to sell a specific product. He or she will help you create a diversified plan. You will not regret this. Some folks say that this is all good and fine but they just absolutely can't afford to do it. Well, if you can't pay your bills now, how will you pay them when you are retired and have no income? This is not to say you need to live like some sort of ascetic. But as Wertbag writes, many folks fritter away money in ways they don't realize. (Example — I have a friend who ate lunch out every work day for 40 years. A sack lunch for most of those days would have saved him tens of thousands of dollars. And what about paying money for a bottle of water — something that you can get for free? The list of examples is a long one.) And this does not mean that you are being selfish. To not take care of your own needs is a form of selfishness as those needs will eventually fall upon others.
  7. I'm with Fuego on this. If you have lenses in your eyeballs that can focus the light onto the back of your eyeball, I would advise not doing this. It would be the same as holding a magnifying glass such that it focuses the sun's rays onto your skin. It will get very hot very quickly. And for the sighted folks, there are documented cases of people getting high and staring at the sun and losing their sight. If you want to look at the sun, go on line and buy some Baader solar filter film. It's an aluminized mylar that's designed for filtering the sun for visual observation. Sunglasses, even in multiple layers, are not good enough.
  8. One of my favorite quotes: What is life? It is the flash of a firefly in the night. It is the breath of a buffalo in the winter time. It is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses itself in the sunset. — Crowfoot, a Blackfoot chief And one more: Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can. — Arthur Ashe
  9. Many decades ago when I was an undergrad student I read a book titled, Violence in America. (I don't think it was the same as current books with the same title. The book was some sort of formal study with numerous footnotes and references.) This was an historical account that traced our history beginning with the first settlers onward. The hypothesis was that the country was settled and founded as a result of violence, by people for whom violence was almost a norm. Thus it is bred into our national psyche.
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    Speaking of lovey dovey, have you ever noticed the smiles that so many of these folks seem to have? There is just something about them that gives me the creeps.
  11. The whole tree, nay, the whole damn orchard is rotten. A little investigation will reveal that this issue goes all the way back to at least the 11th century. Nuns have been abused by priests for hundreds of years. In the current set of scandals, at least 3000 priests have been investigated. In 2018 the New York Times wrote that 1000 kids were abused in Pennsylvania. CBS reported in June that the Church of Pedophilia spent $10.6 million lobbying against laws that would help victims obtain justice. Here is an interesting database: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbydiocese.html Finally, in 2018, CNN reported that the Church of Pedophilia has paid out more than $3.8 billion (that is Billion, with a B ) in lawsuits and claims by 8600 survivors in the United States alone since the 1950s. And that's only the cases that are known.
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    We've been through six for close family and none were big extravaganzas. Two were at churches because they were active there, but expenses were minimal. Another was at a church because the deceased was young and (a) the mom wanted it there and (b) we knew that about 500 people would show up. The fourth was a veteran and it was done at the veteran's cemetery by the VA. Number five was just five people at our house. Number six was no ceremony, no gathering, nothing, according to the wishes of the s.o. In all cases there was no casket, no hearse or procession, no graveside etc. Food was volunteer potluck type. All were cremations. Cremated remains were: 1. Spread at sea; 2. and 3. kept by survivors; 4. and 5. Buried in cemetery; 6. Spread by family in a place that had been special to the person. I don't think even the most expensive of these cost more than a couple of thousand, and that one mostly due to a donation to the church that hosted it.
  13. There was another specialist I went to years ago who scolded me for wasting his time and said, and this is a direct quote that I will not forget, "If our waiting room was full of people with your condition we wouldn't make any money."
  14. I'm not looking for advice — I just want to complain about doctors who bring their religion into the exam room and/or let their religious beliefs affect their approach to medicine. No matter how healthy you are, as you get older you will see various doctors including specialists. It seems that the days of the family doctor who took care of 90 percent of your ailments is gone, and in the last five or ten years I’ve been sent to a dermatologist, a urologist, an ophthalmologist, an orthopedist, and so on. And I have just left one specialist who, during my exam, used the word "blessed" at least six times. I will not be going back. Taking it further, our state has a “right to die” law that allows a terminally ill person to receive drugs from a physician to end his or her life. On my first visit to another specialist, I asked him if he would sign on for such an event and he said that he was a Christian and could not do that. While I haven’t asked all of my various doctors this question, I know that at least one and possibly two others are strongly religious and probably would not participate. And that is a problem that other folks in this state are having — finding doctors who will go along with the law. Fortunately, my family practice doctor is a realist, but I live in Fundyville; the mega-churches abound and new ones seem to be built frequently. And specialists are in high demand here and it is hard to be picky. There are only two hospitals, one of which is run by the Catholic church. And the church has issued orders to their hospitals to confine their treatments to those which fit into Catholic theology. Unfortunately, I have a Very Serious condition that, although it’s under control and is of no immediate threat, could conceivably be life ending, and the best place to treat that is affiliated with the Catholic hospital. And the doctor who is treating me has a good reputation in the business and is very thorough. Finding someone else here in this very narrow specialty would be extremely difficult. But it is possible that I could be in the position of wanting to take advantage of that death with dignity law. Of course, I have directed my family to take me to the secular hospital should the need arise, but that is not the time to be shopping for a doctor. So I just hope that I’m never in a position where my health care needs conflict with someone’s religious philosophy. A contributor to this site, Valerie Tarico, wrote about this back in 2013, and she concludes: When it comes to medical options, whose beliefs count, the Bishop’s or the patient’s? Who gets to say whether one woman is forced to incubate a pregnancy gone wrong or another is force fed at the end of life? Whose version of god gets to dictate how you live and how we die?
  15. I vote with the leave-it-alone group, and for reasons already stated. One of the things that annoys us about Christians is that they want to push their religion upon us — some strongly and some subtly. So in the same vein, we should not do anything that they might interpret as pushing a point of view upon them. I recall once going to lunch at a fast food joint with someone I hadn't known before that day. As we sat down with our burgers, he asked if I minded if he said grace. I said fine, and he put out his hands wanting me to grab on. I did but was extremely uncomfortable with that, and in retrospect I should have said that I was not a Christian but didn't mind if he went forward on his own. It was a one-shot meeting so there was no future to think about.
  16. Welcome Sonickel77: Looks like you've found some of the holes in the system. We hope you'll explore this site and read some of the posts from other folks and contribute your thoughts as well. There are a bunch of atheists here, some of whom can get rather strident at times but if you remain spiritual, don't let those folks bother you. If you want to investigate on your own, there are some recommended books elsewhere on this site. Hope to hear more from you.
  17. And something that the heroes don't think about is the legal expenses that will arise after the action is over. The probability of said hero needing a lawyer is very high, and the fees for a good one will likely run to the tens of thousands. A lawyer once told me that taking a case all the way to court is a minimum of $100 grand.
  18. Jumping back to the title of this post, my honest answer to where I'd like to go instead of heaven is Ye Olde Beverlie pub at St. Stephen's Green in Canterbury, England. We ate there four nights in a row and every meal was outstanding. And there was a beautiful lager on tap, the name of which I've forgotten, that was the smoothest beer I've ever had. An eternity there would be fine with me.
  19. We have a fundy friend who has said she can hardly wait until she gets to heaven and meets Jesus.
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    Welcome and please do contribute as you can. We'd love to hear your perspective on things. Don't forget to stop by the clubs section and check out the totally off topic, news and humor sections too.
  21. I've quoted Mark Twain on this board before: “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” I'm figuring it will be just like it was when I was knocked out in a roll-over accident: nothing. And yes, I do worry about the process of getting there. I'd like to go out in a headline grabbing way, but I'll probably just decline in a slow, painful way. What would I say? "Why are you such a jerk? Why do you let kids die slow painful deaths from cancer and other diseases? Why do you let some of them starve to death? Why do you create some of them with horrific defects? You have the power to stop that and you don't. Fuck you, asshole."
  22. Ditto my town. We call the nightly local TV news "The Murder Report." Just recently two kids got killed in separate shootings by bullets intended for someone else. And the communities where this most often happens don't trust the police and won't help them find the perps. The leaders of these communities want to start a diversion program based on things that have worked elsewhere, while the police chief wants the $200K to be spent on a new assault vehicle instead. So far the mayor and city council support the chief.
  23. Here's an article from Slate on this same subject: https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/08/sarah-silverman-pastor-hate-comments-new-independent-fundamental-baptists.html?
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