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  1. I don't either. But when a business makes their religious policy public, and when that policy is in opposition to basic human decency, I will not support those views by adding to the profits they use to force those beliefs upon others.
  2. Anyone who has looked even briefly at the history of the United Kingdom and western Europe in the 14th through 18th centuries cannot possibly come to any conclusion other than the separation of church and state. Many emigrants who came here were escaping from despotic rulers who claimed to rule by divine right, and those who left knew first-hand the problems that arise when a government justifies its actions by a connecting them to a god. I sometimes hear Christians claim our government was founded on "Christian principles." I'd like to ask any such Christian to please list those principles that are exclusively Christian that back such a claim. Any principle that is shared with any other culture or religion is not "Christian" but shared or perhaps universal. Mercy, love, justice, peace, and let's not forget war — name your principle and I'll bet that it's not limited to Christians. We could, though, separate some of them based on the definition of the specific principle. For example, the definition of justice is one that changed dramatically between the violent Christian-led oppression of the Late Medieval Period to the somewhat tempered system created by our founders; imprisonment for criticizing the government, or execution for heresy not being found in our governing documents. Nevertheless, the core argument, that there are no governing principles in our system that are exclusively Christian, remains.
  3. Great. Worth watching. Here's the website: http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com
  4. Sorry to hear your bad news, Margee. Hugs to you.
  5. Joshp. gets the trophy for this thread. I'm copying that one to my permanent file.
  6. I once had a colleague who, after long discussions of just about anything, would end with, "It all comes down to money." I think she is right.
  7. I discovered this after making a rather large donation to one charity and then having it pop up in the news for irregularities. Now I check Charity Navigator and a couple of other sources before donating. I want my money to go to organizations that are secular, apolitical, spend the overwhelming bulk of their money on their mission, and that do not pay their CEOs an outrageous amount. I have discovered well-known charities that pay their CEOs $600 thousand or more, which to me seems morally wrong.
  8. Here is an interesting view of the situation, a piece by David Roberts on Vox. Here is his opening paragraph: Back in 2017, I wrote a piece speculating that the Mueller hearings might bring America’s epistemic crisis to a head. That crisis involves Americans’ growing inability, not just to cooperate, but even to learn and know the same things, to have a shared understanding of reality. We have sorted ourselves into polarized factions living in different worlds, not just of values, but of facts. Communication between them is increasingly difficult. This is sort of like some of the threads here with some of our Christian friends, wherein the issue boils down to what someone accepts as true. Here's a link. It's a rather discouraging piece but I recommend it: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/16/20964281/impeachment-hearing-epistemic-crisis
  9. Sure is interesting. While the result from burning hydrogen in a car is water and heat, the production of the hydrogen isn't pollution-free.* But even then the reduction in pollution would be dramatic. _______________ * https://ucsusa.org/resources/how-do-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles-work
  10. First, personally, I wasn't disillusioned. I just looked at the facts and came to a conclusion. As to substituting something else, religion is sort of like acid indigestion. You know when you have it. When you don't, you aren't always aware of not having it, and you don't go looking around for a substitute such as irritable bowel syndrome or kidney stones. I didn't explore something else because I'm perfectly satisfied with nothing.
  11. So they will no longer give to controversial Christian groups, but will still give to non-controversial Christian groups. I still refuse to eat there.
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    14 years

    9. What I like is the intelligent discussions by knowledgable folks who excel at debate, logic and philosophy and who write well and in complete sentences.
  13. I prefer to say that I'm not religious, that I don't believe in gods or spirits in any way. I avoid the term "atheist," because some Christians use it as a pejorative. Also, many people don't understand what an atheist is and think that it is some sort of belief system or that atheism is an anti-Christian movement. (Yes, some atheists are anti-Christian, but those are two different things.) Now I really don't care what Christians think but the reality of it is that to have a dialog with them it is easier to use language that they understand, so I avoid "atheist" because of the connotations it brings up in their minds.
  14. Say, Renora, you might want to Google "assertive rights." There are a couple of sites with slightly different versions of the same idea. If you can internalize some of those assertive rights, that will help with avoiding being taken advantage of.
  15. No, he's wrong. The fires were not started because God doesn't like gays and abortion. The fires were started because God does not like Vegemite.
  16. Well, although not a complete, independent civilization of millions, the Scandinavian countries, Sweden and Denmark in particular, are among the least religious countries in the world, and they seem to have minimal problems of the type that plague some of the most religious countries.1 This study shows Sweden coming second after China, followed by the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom. Another study again shows China as the least religious country2 with Japan coming second. China is certainly a huge civilization with world-wide impact. It could be argued that China's government has repressed religion, but Japan and Scandinavia remain as examples where free choice exists and they have extremely low religious belief. _________________ 1 https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/least-religious-countries-in-the-world.html 2 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-religious-countries-in-the-world/
  17. Hi Renora, and welcome. Florduh is right. Most of us just maintain a low profile. I'll bet there are more than you think in the pews on Sunday, there just because, and perhaps for the social aspect and the food. And we're here to listen any time you want to vent.
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    And beer. I don't see any beer in the picture. Here's a clip from something I posted over in the humor section:
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    And if there are kids there, that just reinforces the notion that God kills kids and therefore is a first-class schmuck.
  20. You had the best of intentions. Any mistakes that you made were not intentional; you did what you thought was right at the time. Read Margee's wise post again.
  21. Just because A precedes B does not mean that A causes B. Our neighbors have chickens. Every morning, without fail, the rooster starts to crow yet it is completely dark. After a while, the sun comes up. But the rooster's crow is not what causes the sun to come up.
  22. Welcome, WWOAC: You aren't the first one to be in such a position. You could start by giving us a little history; where you were and how you got to where you are now.
  23. There wasn't one core piece. There were many pieces. 1. When I was about ten, thinking that I hadn't done anything wrong so how can I have sinned? 2. About the same age, sitting in church in uncomfortable clothes, being bored out of my mind and wondering why one of my two days of freedom each week was spoiled by this. 3. When I was about 12, wondering how there can be only one god yet there is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. How can one be three? 4. A few years later, realizing that none of it makes any sense. 5. Finally, when sitting at a picnic table with friends and, in the middle of a conversation about something else, one friend made a rather out-of-context comment that he was an atheist. It suddenly dawned on me. Holy shit! So am I. No more nervousness, no more guilt, no more lingering doubts. Freedom.
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