Thumbelina

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About Thumbelina

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    Scared for the lemmings

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    I'm attracted to bothering atheist types atm.
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    Curious as to why anyone would want to leave Christ, He's not only Omniscient and loving etc. but pretty cool too :)

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  1. Thumbelina

    Are All Sins Equal?

    The biblical texts give hope to offenders. The bible stresses being an overcomer (Revelation 2:11). 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 I emphasized the parts of the text which show that God does not condemn people who committed the sins mentioned.
  2. If God never knew you (objectively speaking) then hell is a surety.
  3. My hell is hotter than the hell you're talking about. My hell (the bible based one) burns up sinners and destroys them. Sinners will go into oblivion after the executive judgment. Your hell (the unbiblical one) keeps sinners in a barbecue forever; it's eternal torture.
  4. I God is omniscient and He knows everyone and everything. However, the knowing you cited is an intimate knowing, a close relationship. A just and holy God will not force worship on people. During the judgment He'll call out the empty professors (N.B. those people would have committed the unpardonable sin, which is why God would say He never knew them).
  5. Don't you know that the bible says God calls those things which are not as if they already were (already happened)? Scripture describes God as being omniscient. Therefore, He knows that the redeemed will be from every nation, kindred, tongue and people (diverse people).
  6. I never said I didn't believe in hell. The bible clearly states that it will exist.
  7. Judgment is to show that God is just in how he would've dealt with sinners. Every tongue (including those of hellbound sinners) will confess that God was right. The records of sins are evidence which show that certain beings forfeited life.
  8. Jesus felt the same way; He ate and drank with people who were deemed "less than". SOME religionists can be pains in the neck. They can be quite pharasaical and they can cause more harm than good.
  9. Thumbelina

    Are All Sins Equal?

    Are All Sins Equal? "The Apostle Paul goes briefly into the kinds of things that will keep a person from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven. Some are more publicized than others. Homosexuality tops the list, of course. Here in Kentucky we still have dry counties, supported by local churches, taking care of drunkards. Gambling remains illegal in many states. Lying, not so much. It's kind of one of the big ten, and the Bible even says to let your yeses be yeses and your noes to be noes. It's not that much of a thing, though it gets brought up in church occasionally. What I'm really getting at is the sin of gluttony. I live in the fried food belt, and it shows. How many fat people are going to Hell for not being able to put down the Twinkies? I'm reminded of John Hagee, who's definitely a fat bastard who preaches about just about everything else but his weight. So does God, who supposedly can't abide by any sin whatsoever, hate fat people as much as gay people? Thoughts?" ............ According to the holy bible, the wages of sin (any/sin) is death. Said bible also defines sin as the transgression of God's law. The bible also says ALL ( Jew, gentile, Christian, ex Christian, Atheist, Satanist, Hindu, Buddhist etc.) have sinned and fall short of God's glory (character). Said bible also said that Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself (see 1 John 2:2; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Isaiah 53:3-6; Galatians 3: 10-14; 1Peter 2:23,24; Romans 5:6,8; 1 Corinthians 15:3 ). The bible says Jesus paid the penalty for the past, present and future sins of the world ( Jew, gentile, Christian, ex Christian, Atheist, Satanist, Hindi, Buddhist etc.). However, according to scripture, there is only one sin that Jesus did not die for. It is the sin that the devil and his angels committed, which puts them on death row (Matthew 25:41). That sin is the unpardonable sin. The unpardonable sin is sin that a person consistently clings to until they grieve the Holy Spirit away. While there are magnitudes of sin, any sin can eventually lead a person to commit the unpardonable sin if they cherish said sin. The bible says God loves people. He hates sin.
  10. Thumbelina

    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    Re mwc's response. I would like to ask a question; if you guys were in God's place how would you explain to mortals, who have no frame of reference of creating things ex nihilo, how you created their world & its atmosphere? Would you use high sounding, incomprehensible language to them or will you meet them where they're at? Would you use metaphors & other figures of speech that they'll understand to describe your actions to them so they can understand certain aspects about you? ……….. God existing in nothingness? Pfffft! Never! Again I say, darkness was a new phenomenon that was created when God created our world. Creation week bespeaks a contingency plan because of God's foreknowledge of the DUMB CHOICES His creatures would eventually make. The bible speaks of God's contingency plan before this world & man even existed ( see 1 Peter 1:19-20; Matthew 25:34; Acts 2:23 etc.). God IS light therefore light is eternal as God Himself. Darkness is the absence of light so when God mysteriously cloaks Himself darkness is then created (Psalm 18:11). Created beings see darkness but there is no darkness in God because He is light (1 John 1:5; 1 Timothy 6:16; Daniel 2:22). Psalm 139:12 says, Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. I once mentioned on this website that with the creator God there is no yin & yang coexisting infinitely. There was a time when there was good without evil & light without darkness (in one sense you are mistaken, Florduh) & it WILL happen again. There has been a detour in God's perfect plan for His creation but He will be back on course eventually (Revelation 22:5). He would achieve all of this without force. All of those who worship Him would have seen the futility of living in darkness & sin. He created literal darkness so intelligent creatures could know they can't see-physically & spiritually- without Him. When reading the bible one cannot be a mere surface reader. One has to dig into the Word to discover the precious gems beneath the surface. The reason why I keep saying that creation week suggests a contingency plan is because God made some separations & differentiations during the creation process & He demonstrated a progression in His creative acts. On day 1 the bible says God created light but to create a source of light distinct from Himself He had to create darkness (this is where you were quite right, Pops) so it could be compared & contrasted. I see His contingency plan that was being put in motion. He knew this planet would rebel & separate from Him & it seems that Satan's rebellion was already in motion at that juncture (more about that later) therefore, He created separate light sources apart from Himself. He also created time to put a check on sin & rebellion & to eventually eradicate them. He also wanted to show the watching universe His creatorship & His righteous principles compared to Satan's creaturely role & unrighteous principles. Each day began with darkness & ended up with light. As He continued creating it progressed from good to very good. Once God used negative language & said something was not good & that was for man to be alone. Another time He used negative language was when He told Adam not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good & evil or He will surely die. Actually, God said that before saying it was not good for man to be alone. God is a social being & He was showing that His creation should be social creatures too. About Satan already acting up BEFORE God even created this sphere of the universe; the book of Job (biblical scholars believe Moses wrote this book & it was possibly written BEFORE Genesis) describes some of earth's pre-history & some behind the scenes activities that stupid Satan was involved in after the fall. Job 38:6,7 says, …6On what were its foundations laid, or who set its core in place— 7while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Verse 7- which the KJV rightly translates- alludes to the fact that God had loyal angels cheering for Him while He was creating this world, its atmosphere & everything in it. People who dig deep into scripture, & who are not mere superficial readers, will see that God made a distinction regarding the angels. The text says the sons of God shouted for joy. God calls beings who are loyal to Him sons (look it up, that theme is throughout scripture; eg 1 John 3:1). Casual bible readers DO NOT cross reference texts to see the cohesiveness of the biblical narratives & they go off on tangents & say the bible is contradictory (2 Peter 2:16). One of the cross references for Job 38:7 is Job 1:6, which clearly shows Satan as God's adversary/enemy & the other beings as His friends/sons. The word Satan means adversary. Is an adversary a friend/son? Satan took Adam's place in that meeting. Adam was supposed to represent earth in that meeting had he not sinned & gave his dominion to Satan. The sons of God (can be a generic term; loyal females are considered sons ) will understand that God is LONGSUFFERING (see Exodus 34:6; Jonah 4:2), He bears long with sinners. They can deduce that the fall did not take long to occur after creation- the perfect, FERTILE & healthy pair didn't even have a baby yet when they got kicked out of the garden. Satan's badness had fully ripened by then; for why would he be talking to Eve & tempting her to be like him & his minions (to be as gods; see Genesis 3:5 KJV) if he was any bloody good? God is longsuffering so He would not have expelled Satan after only a short time of his narcissistic delusions of wanting to be like the Most High. Jesus said Satan is a murderer from the beginning & the father of lies. Was he not lying to Eve? Wasn't he an indirect murderer? We also can see that God truly is longsuffering because He did not kill/execute Satan yet, but He will. Satan will surely die. So lions, there was creation history before earth even came into being.
  11. Thanks for explaining. You saved me from Googling .
  12. Thumbelina

    Did you actually know God, before giving up?

    Actually God created darkness (Isaiah 45:7). Apparently darkness was new when God created our sphere in this universe ( I see it as part of God's contingency plan for when the fall occurred). Heavenly angels existed prior to the creation of our part of the universe & they witnessed the creation mentioned in the Genesis narrative (Job 38:7). There was creation prior to creation. The bible says so & it's not adding to the bible to say so. The heavens will be destroyed at the end of this earth, at the 2nd coming (2 Peter 3:10), & it won't be heaven where God dwells. There are different heavens mentioned in the bible.