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    I have a B.A. in religion and philosophy. Looked for the Truth (note the capital "T") for over three wasted decades.

    Completely out of Xtianity by 18, but still studied it and other religions (I actually did wonder if some franchise of Xtianity might be the True Way!

    Of course, it was all a dead end (closest conversion: Judaism, but did not). I finally got my Master's in Library Science.

    Still felt depressed and entitled until I became an atheist. Depression evaporated, and reality was much, much better to deal with!

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  • Still have any Gods? If so, who or what?
    No gods, no fantasy states of being.
  1. Biblical/Christian scholarship was my last hurrah with Christianity, and led me on an obsessive search for capital "T" Truth. I pored over so many tomes for so many hours-- even after I was no longer a Christian. It is indeed a huge sore spot. I was clinically (yes, diagnosed as such) and suicidally depressed. This led to even more dead-end searches for the Truth. I regret in so many ways getting a degree in religion, wondering if I could have studied something that would have benefitted my fellow humans. Semester after semester of Christian doctrine & history (taught at a state school-- it wasn't preaching in any way) that I found intoxicating. Hell, I loved studying all religions! I did not come out of my depression until I figured out there is no God(s). The scientist asks: How does this work? The engineer asks: How can I make this work? The religion major asks: Want fries with that? I got my master's in library science, and I love what I'm doing now!
  2. Yeah, I'm thinking my very strong reaction to all this may be part of my Christian damage. With scholars holding a tenable position, I've dealt with too many Xtians who jump off of that and really pull shit out of their asses.
  3. I am in a minority. As for being a literatist: Unless there is something physical to back up a source, I will not buy it. I am so sick and tired of Christians using the worst of the worst: "hermeneutics" and "exegesis." Can't reconcile this jumbled puke? Make shit up! Er, I mean, interpret it! And make it sound respectable! Hermeneutics sounds scholarly! Better yet: pull out the old "The Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek word is..." Yes, yes, I did that, too, until I realized how dishonest I was being. One of my reasons for distrusting this is thanks to the truly bizarre and bullshit rantings of Leo Strauss. OM, I think you are great, but don't think that I would ever say Moses wrote the Pentateuch. I have dumped the alphabet soup of source pretending. This view o' mine may be a result of my feeling so bad for feeling so dishonest after I stopped spouting all sorts of stuff like this. At the time, I felt so high-minded and academic. I would not at all be surprised if there is a Q, I just need to see it. Indeed, as Mythra has pointed out, a source for identical phrasing could point to a shared source. Christianity makes my mind mad. EDIT: Because you two excellent people strongly support the Q hypothesis, I'm going to re-research it and see if I stand corrected.
  4. That is great! It's been soooo long, since I read this, but wasn't there a Stoic (Roman, I think) who noticed that Christians were being nice to the poor as the Stoics were?
  5. I was once impressed by such literary bullshit, but until the magical Q documents are presented-- be they written on stone, papyrus, even clay-- it is made up crap. Christians AGAIN finding ways to cover the lies and inconsistencies of the Whole Bile. It's still sickens me how much time I wasted on this garbage. If you want to learn something really interesting - research the parallels between Q1 (the first layering of sayings attributed to Jesus) and the teachings of Cynicism. Antisthenes of Athens and Diogenes of Sinope founded the Cynics a generation after Socrates. Q1's sayings are unmistakeably borrowed from Greek Cynicism. The Hellenistic influences in the gospels are unknown to most christians. Not commonly discussed in Sunday School. Price's "Deconstructing Jesus" goes into this at length. Thank you! I was not aware of the connection! Sounds like a great birthday present for me (less than a month away)! BTW, Mythra, every one of your posts kicks ass.
  6. If I remember correctly, Mark (the earliest of the "accepted" gospels) mentions the destruction of the Temple, which happened in 70 CE. There is no physical Q document. It's existence is a guess by Bible scholars.
  7. It's therapeutic, and I have a need to call Xians on their lies. Excellent choice of deity, by the way!
  8. Dragons are mentioned in the canon in the KJV: Deuteronomy 32:33 Their wine the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. Job 30:29 I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. Psalm 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death. Psalm 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. Psalm 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps: Isaiah 13:22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in [their] pleasant palaces: and her time [is] near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged. Isa 34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, [and] a court for owls. Isaiah 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, [shall be] grass with reeds and rushes. Isaiah 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. Jeremiah 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant. Jeremiah 10:22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, a den of dragons. Jeremiah 14:6 And the wild asses did stand in the high places, they snuffed up the wind like dragons; their eyes did fail, because [there was] no grass. Jeremiah 49:33 And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor son of man dwell in it. Jer 51:37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant. Micah 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls. Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Not sure if it's in the other mistranslations.
  9. Actually, in the Lard's Prayer™, Jeezus™ teaches us poor, dumb sheep to pray: "Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven™" - so that makes Jeezus™, as you said, a liar. He said both that whatever we ask for in his name we'll get and also that it is the Lard's will which will be done when we pray, not ours. Oh, *man*! And that was the first thing I memorized when I was a True Christian™ kid! Then is Hiz will that when I pray for something I git it?
  10. Actually, according to Jesus he is a genie. Jesus goes on about "Ask in my name and you'll receive it" or some variant. Nothing at all about "if it be god's will," just pray and it will happen. That's understable, though. Jesus lied about many other things as well. Yeah, false dilemmas didn't work for C.S. Lewis and they won't work for you.
  11. There seems to be a tacit understanding between my dad and me. Last Christmas Eve, he asked if I was going to church-- but more of a head count than anything else. I'm sure he's disappointed, serving as the head of the congregation for a year or two, being a greeter for too many Sundays, but he seems to be at peace with it. We had Thanksgiving at my wife's aunt & uncle's house, and her aunt asked me point blank what I was, and I did reply atheist. She is a Baptist of two or three years, at the prodding of her son. Again, normal all the way through.
  12. Welcome, cincyunixguy! There's a tacit understanding with my parents that I'm no longer a believer, but I really lucked out with my family. I do hope they come to terms with this great decision-- still, this is Christian love? Yikes. And it is so true that the people here on Ex-C are like family. I love them all (even though they're a lot smarter than me)! Greetings, fellow ex-LCMSer! My father wasn't so in love with the synod as we was with a church he might be comfortable in. From what I heard about other churches, this one was pretty tame.
  13. Gnosis of Disbelief is correct-- ckbanks, we really should take this to The Lion's Den or Colisseum. And what a jackass I am! I forgot to say: WELCOME AEREO!!! Getting rid of Christianity, then any theistic crapola is so very liberating. I was deeply depressed while a believer. I'm much happier now.
  14. It's not a claim, it's a fact: Myth Version 1 is in: Genesis 1:1-2:3 ; Myth Version 2 is in: Genesis 2:4-25. This is the first of countless biblical contradictions. You'd think God wouldn't be so clumsy and stupid that he couldn't get his story straight. Start here: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html Nearly all of the mistranslations of the Bible are online, if you'd like to compare.
  15. No, it's a contradiction, and the Bible is full of them. If it's important that people know how many pens I have, I give them the exact number. Why can't God get his story straight? But Christians always employ these bizarre mental contortions to salvage the lies in the Bible. I'm looking forward to the fantasy you'll cook up for the contradiction of Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18. Really, it's one or the other.
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