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  1. Complex Societies precede moralizing gods throughout world history -- Pretty interesting little research snippet on the development of complex societies and religion

  2. “One of the most amazing and perplexing features of mainstream Christianity is that seminarians who learn the historical-critical method in their Bible classes appear to forget all about it when it comes time for them to be pastors. They are taught critical approaches to Scripture, they learn about the discrepancies and contradictions, they discover all sorts of historical errors and mistakes, they come to realize that it is difficult to know whether Moses existed or what Jesus actually said and did, they find that there are other books that were at one time considered canonical but that ultimately did not become part of Scripture (for example, other Gospels and Apocalypses), they come to recognize that a good number of the books of the Bible are pseudonymous (for example, written in the name of an apostle by someone else), that in fact we don't have the original copies of any of the biblical books but only copies made centuries later, all of which have been altered. They learn all of this, and yet when they enter church ministry they appear to put it back on the shelf. For reasons I will explore in the conclusion, pastors are, as a rule, reluctant to teach what they learned about the Bible in seminary.”
    Bart D. Ehrman, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible & Why We Don't Know About Them
     
    And this my friends, is why the masses in the church, down through the ages, know nothing about the historical origins of their so-called "sacred, god-breathed" scripture they deify as the fourth member of the trinity.
    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Ehrman's observation is accurate and insightful.  I would add that there are many preachers, pastors and similar "I am the authority" hucksters that have not spent years to earn college degrees in theology or related fields, and have invested no time whatsoever with/in/around schools of learning.

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  3. Man is the master of his own fate not the gods. The gods are mans creation to give answers that they are too afraid to give themselves. Vikings - Ragnar Lothbrok

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Part of the first sentence is correct, and a part is not.  Humans do not necessairily control all aspects of their own fate.  For example, a tsunami (caused by natural forces) can easily take control of certain humans' fate quite quickly, causing their deaths, despite the affected humans' desires or actions.  The god stuff is correct, IMO.

  4. The good news is I think I've fully deprogrammed, the bad news is having to go to church now really sucks. I would rather not have to listen to BS on the weekly. 

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Perhaps you could work in the child care area during the service/indoctrination event.  Young children can be quite entertaining.

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  5. Asking for charity donations (no particular) instead of Xmas gifts: nice or tacky? I have stuff already and don't need more, which would just be more to carry when I move out. But I don't want to appear to show off, either.

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      There's nothing wrong with letting folks know that you prefer money instead of non-monetary gifts for Christmas, or any other holiday where gifts are exchanged or given (e.g., birthday, wedding, summer solstice).  And, there's no need to explain why you prefer money over gifts.

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  6. I don't know what to DO. I guess I am a Weak Atheist and a Weak Theist in the same time. Divided between 2 completely different worlds that can't become one for me :/

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      The four-way categorization of (i) gnostic theist, (ii) agnostic theist, (iii) agnostic atheist and (I've) gnostic atheist combines a statement of knowledge (gnosticism/agnosticism) and a statement of belief (theism/atheism).

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  7. I don't know what to DO. I guess I am a Weak Atheist and a Weak Theist in the same time. Divided between 2 completely different worlds that can't become one for me :/

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      sdelsolray

      There is one thing in common between those two "worlds".  In either, you get to say, "I don't know".

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  8. Have been having bad anxiety related to the programming and indoctrination from birth - 21. It's so strong, especially as these "prophesies" come to fruition (Harvey, Irma, earthquakes, and fires)... 

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Huricanes, earthquakes, and fires are not prophetic, other than they are quite regular and natural phenomena which should surprise no one when they occur.

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  9. If god is so loving why did he give me a kidney infection??? Seems pretty unloving to me! (sarcasm)

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      The god is a fiction.  Your kidney infection was caused by something else.

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  10. RT @DavidCornDC: Trump is a master at the bait-and-switch. Promises climate statement. But uses moment to grab media to say his presidency…

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Trump is human sewage.

  11. Need a new Forum: Trump Topics ;)

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      No, we do not need a subforum on "Trump Topics".  Why pollute this site with that drivel?  I am confident you can find plenty of other sites that are already there for you.

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  12. My wife and I have been going through a rough spot. We were getting divorced, I filed paper work, she got served. She begged me not to divorce her--she has changed and is going to therapy, me too. I stopped divorce proceedings.

  13. Feel like im relapsing back into christianity needing some encouragement

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      It might make more sense for you to start a thread in an appropriate subforum. That way, folks have more space to respond and give you their thoughts.

       

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  14. Am I the only one who've had login problems the past few days?

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      I noticed a time when I couldn't get to this site the other day.

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  15. Undergrad is officially OVER! B)

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Between (and sometimes during) undergrad to grad school, I worked in my field of study. After grad school I worked for several years before my doctorate. Worked after that.

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  16. Undergrad is officially OVER! B)

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      Great. What's next? More education, a career, something else?

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  17. I remember long ago another starry night like this

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      I have a visual astronomy hobby. To frequently, there are long time spans between observing sessions at dark sky sites. Still, the sky appears as majestic and clear each time.

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  18. Can there be a limit imposed on how many threads can be posted by the same member in a forum at a time? Like not drowning other threads in Jamaican child molestation topics?

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      webmdave is listed as an "administrator" on this forum. That makes him/she/it special.

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  19. Can there be a limit imposed on how many threads can be posted by the same member in a forum at a time? Like not drowning other threads in Jamaican child molestation topics?

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      We can't put administrators or moderators on ignore.

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  20. Of the ten posts right now, two seem to be about leaving Christianity. The others are mainly political. Where is the focus of this once-vibrant online community? Just sayin'.

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      I'll say what I said before about this. Most of the political hacks on this forum use the same devices as creationists, it's just a different subject. Lies, fallacies, mere assertions and wishful thinking abound.

       

      I agree that it will tone down as time passes.

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  21. Too much space here now goes to right-wing American political propaganda, much of it posted by mods. This site is to encourage people who struggle over leaving Christianity. We’ve always had some politics, but urging people not to vote, or posting old Reagan clips as though they talk about Obama, only empowers politicians who pander to the religious right, whose constituents DO vote. After 11+ years, I find too much of Ex-C promoting political resentment. Not sure whether to continue.

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      +1 Ficino. They may have distanced themselves from Christianity, but they haven't yet distanced themselves from many Christian addictions, including infantile tribalism, xenophobia, conspiracy theories and racism, among other things.

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  22. Today I celebrate 4 years of freedom from religion.

  23. Hey, how is everybody?

    1. sdelsolray

      sdelsolray

      I'm well and enjoying another great Oregon summer.

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