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  1. 1 hour ago, LostinParis said:


    When I was a Christian I heard someone dodge this question by claiming that god is beyond space and time, so he is exempt from the creator infinite regress. 

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    To which I often respond, "How convenient".

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  2. 1 hour ago, LostinParis said:

    Hello! Haven’t posted for a long while.

     

    My creationist friend and I were discussing the possibility of Abiogenesis. She claims that god creating the first life is far more likely than “blind chance”.

     

    Is this a false dichotomy? “Blind chance” sounds too random to me, as there are natural laws that govern the universe. I don’t know much about abiogenesis so I’d love some feedback.

     

    Alyssa

     

    Ask your friend to list the books and papers she has read written by the scientists that actually deal with the science of abiogenesis.

     

    Assuming she has read none (which will likely be her answer), you may wish to suggest she listen to the Audible audiobook (actually a lecture series) entitled The Great Courses - Origins of Life written and narrated by Robert M. Hazen, one of the premier experts in the field.  It's a excellent and accessible introductory survey of abiogenesis questions, experiments, research, etc., designed for college level students.

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    6 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

    So here is what I see please:

     

    Understanding physical/chemical mechanisms (proof) -> natural/physical -> behaviors -> proof of cultural norms.

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    Modified to:

     

    Understanding physical/chemical mechanisms (theories/explanations/predictions, all subject to falsifiability) -> natural/physical (is this redundant?) -> behaviors -> explanations and predictions of and concerning cultural consensus.

     

    6 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

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    We know that if we understand the physical/chemical mechanisms, then we should be able to prove everything thereafter.

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    I don't "know" this, and neither do you.  That being said, the evidentiary history strongly suggests many things can be explained and predicted, with a fairly high degree of probability (subject, of course to modification or outright falsifiability) by first understanding physical/chemical/biological mechanisms.

     

    6 hours ago, Edgarcito said:

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    So where is the breakdown....too many variables, complexity?

     

    You seem to expect the human species, collectively, should have all the answers now.  It doesn't, although many work quite hard to understand more as time passes.


  4. Thanks for giving us your update, RealityCheck.  I must not have been paying attention, but I did not realize you were experiencing such personal trauma, aggravation and despair.  Good news that you have solved and/or mitigated those issues.

     

    Keep in touch with this forum.  There is no reason to quit it.

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  5. 28 minutes ago, Edgarcito said:

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    Why pursue some different morality that is not just as is, how we exist.

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    Please spend the time to write complete and coherent sentences, as that would be quite helpful for any discussion.

    Put more simply, the above sentence simply sucks.


  6. 4 hours ago, Renora said:

    I thought I was going nuts and thinking thoughts no one else did. 

     

    It's a relief to not feel alone.  I keep working on getting over things, just being happy, coming from love, only to find myself taken advantage of and angrier than ever. 

     

     

     

    Sit back, relax and enjoy the conversations you have here. 

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  7. 2 hours ago, florduh said:

    I'm still always amazed at those who posit a god/creator/whatever that is beyond our realm of experience. Not only is that god unable to be verified by its very definition, it would be irrelevant to us by that same definition. So why are we talking about it?

     

    Many claim their God is not definable, not knowable, etc., yet in the very next breath make claim after claim of how they "define" and "know" their particular sky fairy, or set of sky fairies.  Of course, they also claim they have a special access, a privileged observing position, etc.

     

    They're full of themselves, and full of shit.

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    48 minutes ago, dobokdude said:

    True. Hopefully I will be starting therapy soon.

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    Good.  Do you believe you need therapy for a minor event that occurred three years ago?

     

    48 minutes ago, dobokdude said:

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    Just curious, what would you have done in my shoes?

     

    I don't know.  Often, there are many different ways to deal with a situation such as you described and many of those possible ways are just fine.  One is not necessarily better than another, just different.

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  9. Christianity, as well as many other religions, has always been composed of numerous sects, often competing with each other and often developing dogma and beliefs which reject or ignore earlier dogma and beliefs.  Humans invented and control the dogma and beliefs, as well as the changes in them over time.  As much as Jesus hypothetically would have rejected certain dogma and beliefs of some modern Christian sects, those same modern Christian sects demonstrate they reject the mythological dogma and beliefs of Jesus.


  10. 4 minutes ago, Kdeaustin said:

    Yeah I’m hoping I like this secular counselor I’ve contacted. It’s hard because my husband isn’t really an intellectual thinker. I mean he’s smart but he just doesn’t think like I do. He’s a diesel mechanic. He can fix and build anything. And he’s really smart at that kind of stuff. And a really genuinely kind person. But as far as the questions and stuff I have he doesn’t think the way I do. He also doesn’t understand my anxiety because he’s never struggled with it. He tries to understand, but I know he doesn’t. He tells me he wishes he could trade places with me, but he still doesn’t understand. So it’s hard for me to talk to him about this stuff. He just believes because he’s been taught to believe and I think the thought of him not believing is scary for him. So I try not to convince him of anything. This has been hard enough for me. I don’t want him to go through anything like that too. So it’s just hard not having many unbelievers to talk to. My husband does believe in annihilation though. He’s always just believed that. I wish I could just believe that. 

     

    Talking with a secular mental health professional is a good idea.  Be patient.  It can take time to find the right therapist and then further time to address the issues.

     

    Fortunately, you seem to have high levels of introspective and honest intellect, which will serve you well.  Your emotional and psychological health, however, appears damaged.  Work on those parts.

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  11. 5 hours ago, Kdeaustin said:

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    And like why when people are really struggling why doesn’t [God] just come down and hug them. Like if my child was struggling really bad and crying and thinking about suicide I would run to them and hug them. Or if my child was struggling with faith in me I would do everything to prove myself. Why can’t God do that?

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    A rather plausible explanation is the God you reference does not exist.

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