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Open_Minded

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  1. I've been thinking about the different comments in this thread.... Joshpantera wrote... Orbit wrote... And .... All these comments speak to an intentional and conscious effort in meditation. Intentional effort is required to move beyond fear. We humans take intention for granted. Because we are capable of intention, we don't think about it. But, intention is an act of Consciousness. And intention, in regards to meditation, has been studied. .... The Buddha's Brain: Neuroplasticity and Meditation was done at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
  2. Yeah ... that's what it was like when I experienced fear during the Dark Night. And it does come back. Dark Nights can come back as well...
  3. I quite recently felt that fear while meditating and just rode it through. I was glad I did. It wasn't comfortable, but it was beneficial. How was it beneficial ...just curious ... was the experience necessary to go to "another level"????
  4. There can be a fear element... And it can be hard to get beyond. Several years ago... while meditating... I felt this sinking fear well up from within me. The fear caused me to back out of the meditation... all these years later I wonder what would have happened had I persisted. But, it's hard to get beyond ...
  5. We have a lot in common. Although ... my take on it is that when we humans have these experiences we are (in a way) "knowing" this creative force ...
  6. Now - as an Atheist - how do you interpret the experience. How do you take "God" out of it?
  7. It's hard for people, who have never had such an experience, to relate. After decades of meditation, and multiple experiences, I've learned to only tell certain people. If a person doesn't have an open mind, or has never experienced anything like it, they have no way to respond... Nice - but there are untold numbers of documented mystic experiences (throughout history) that are not related to illness. Every experience I've ever had was not related to illness. Rather they paved the way for a shift in my meditation awareness and practices. They preceded a rise in my ability to meditate.
  8. Hello All: It's been years since I've participated in conversation here at Ex-C. I stopped by the Chat room tonight, for the first time in forever. During a chat, about mysticism, Orbit asked me if I'd ever had a mystic experience. Orbit asked me to describe my experience and I felt the Chat room didn't provide an ample forum for a description of a mystic experience. As a result... Orbit suggested I start this thread. So... here goes ... Firstly, I've had multiple mystic experiences. I've meditated since the age of 17, so.. I've been meditating for decades. The most prominent e
  9. Legion and Antlerman: I came across this article and thought it was very applicable to this discussion. I do not agree with everything the author says, but he hits upon the impact of world-view on societies ills, and it seemed to fit this conversation:
  10. Mysticism helps illuminate what we discover using the tools of reason, that reason alone cannot bring to bear. But mysticism is not a replacement for reason. Nor reason a replacement for mysticism. I should try to catch up on this thread I have not be following until I saw my name come flying past in here. Hey Antlerman - thanks for stopping by. You may not have been following, but your presence has still been felt.
  11. OMG ... I can't believe I signed that last post with my nickname My husband calls me Rose (I like to garden roses). He must have been talking to me as I signed off.... We agree completely. There is a drawback to just about anyting when we embrace it alone, to the exclusion of anything else. Legion - I always enjoy our discussions. You and Antlerman and so many others have given me so much to think about over the years. I am a better person because of our conversations. In Peace - OM
  12. I agree. But I still believe in doing science. This is the effort to produce explicit (communicable) understandings of nature. You and I may intuitively know what we intend when we say 'connectedness' or 'wholeness'. And please hear me. Intuition is indispensable in science, but it is not enough. In the last, we require explicit models. How about this OM? Can you share with me some analogies you might have for societies? Analogy can often point the way to understanding. Hello Legion - Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. This week is crazy, and sadly it isn't going to let up
  13. Legion - Sorry I've not answered you yet. This weekend was absolutely packed and the next few days are not going to get any better. I promise I'll come back on Thursday, and give you a decent response.
  14. Legion - I do think reductionism is an inappropriate way of analyzing Human societies. From my own perspective, the most productive way to analyze a human culture is to analyze what that collective culture "sees when it looks in the mirror". Humans act out what we believe we are. Again - referring to an earlier point in this thread: From a more local (ex-christian.net) perspective - the above dynamic is already recognized. Folks come here after leaving Christianity, they do so (in part) because leaving Christianity requires leaving a world-view, questioning that world-view and
  15. What types of natural systems do yo want to better understand? And why? Human societies. The why part is difficult for me to see. There's what gave rise to the curiosity, and there is the hoped for use of the understandings (if any). And I think this ties into the OP very well Openminded. I was speaking with a Czech who is very intelligent and knowledgeable about some things some years ago. But he was doing something which now strikes me as being very odd. He would speak about things like QM on the one hand, in a very rigorous way, but then he would speak of sociology in a very loosey goosey
  16. Legion - I'm sorry you're tired. Your job sounds very stressful. One of my children worked in a residential facility for the mentally ill. She too had to deal with psychopaths daily and it was very exhausting. What types of natural systems do yo want to better understand? And why? Again - I'm sorry (hugs)
  17. Hello Legion This whole area of discussion is highly theoretical right now, which may account for some of the entrenchment you mentioned earlier. So… I proceed with caution, knowing full well that, to have any value at all, theory must be supported by experimentation. Having made that qualification, my thoughts follow: You and I, as individuals, have followed our own paths of learning and research. It is my contention that, although our paths of learning have been somewhat different, they also parallel each other quite nicely. You mentioned: If the approach to Relational Biology c
  18. BTW OM, thank you for this. It brings to mind some things Rosen said, and it makes me want to contact a researcher in England. Rosen said something like... an organism is a theory of fabrication (manufacturing) which has been pulled inside that which is being fabricated... or something along those lines. I'll have to dig out my copy of Life Itself and see. The guy I wish to contact is trying to develop a theory of construction. Legion - just popping in to let you know I've not forgotten about our conversation. This week is extremely busy, and the coming weekend is not looking much bett
  19. I was sitting next to someone yesterday who was on the phone with some friend of hers. Her leg was bouncing as she said this friend that she can't stand sitting still, that she always has to be doing something. Yeah, that is a problem. If people do not know how to be alone with themselves, then how in the hell are they going to be able to see anyone else if they can't see themselves? People fear being alone, fear being by themselves, fear having to hear themselves. Text, tweet, chat, talk, etc. Ever the mind distracting itself from itself. We are monkeys with over-sized brains. We don't kn
  20. Legion - Don't worry about it. I completely empathize with time constainment. I've never had a cup of coffee in my life. Like you, I drink tea - prefer the root varieties myself. But ... your vivid description of a mind on coffee gives me insight into a few people in my life.
  21. It's my feeling that as part of evolution the environment creates the pressure for the organism to find a way to survive. I think we're at that point where we have to evolve our minds beyond our egos to avoid this destruction, or at the least survive it is some fashion and in a reduced, yet more effective number. Thinking our way through this isn't enough. Once again - excellent point. You're right on the mark for such an early hour in the morning Antlerman. I take it you've already had your cup of coffee.
  22. Ah, but how does the human organism correctly anticipate in such a manner? In other words is this something we've lost, or have become quite out of touch with to the point we orchestrate our own destruction both individually and globally? Excellent Point - Antlerman. I hope we've not lost touch with this ability, but somedays I do wonder.
  23. Hello Onyx: Thank you for popping in to say hello. It's good to "see" you again as well, and to be back on board again, and good to see folks from the "good ol' days"
  24. I'm under fewer illusions every day. As an acquaintance of mine once said, "Life is soft and ruthless, as always." Apparently, a living natural system (an organism) must be an anticipatory system. This means, among other things, that its current behavior is shaped by predicted events. Those who correctly anticipate on their own behalf, survive. You and I agree completely, we humans have evolved to ask, "why" because nature requires the search. Asking, "why" increases our chances of survival. It has historically and it does now (not only as individuals, but as a species as well). Ye
  25. Hello Legion: Thank you for providing the link. I've had a chance to give it a VERY preliminary review. The most succinct Rosen quote I could find, regarding his approach to Relational Biology and Entailment is the following: Relational Biology is very new to me, and I don't want to make assumptions here. So I figure we can take this in "baby steps". If Rosen's approach is to throw away the matter and keep the underlying organization, then part of the "organization" is at the quantum level. On the surface, I would agree completely with the above quote, "throw away the matter
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