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  1. Wertbag

    Just toughen up!

    It's not Truthseeker, it's Truthsayer 😀 Even if a person is being overly paranoid or overreacting then a statement like harden up achieves nothing other than making them defensive and, at best, annoying them. The only time such a phrase could be used is if you hate the person and just want the conversation to end badly.
  2. I hadn't come across this before but there seems to be a fair number of people who hate Paul. One commentator said: "Jesus was circumcised, Paul rejected circumcision..The OT Laws commands the circumcision on the eighth day. The reason why Christians are not circumcised is because they follow paul. They have broken the covenant of Circumcision according to Jesus himself (5:19), (Genesis 17:14) (Genesis 21:4) , (Luke 2:21) (Acts 15:1) ,, while paul changed this at (Galatians 5:6) Jesus taught Salvation comes through Faith and Works, paul distorted it and invented that it come by faith only...while Jesus WAS VERY CLEAR and taught that salvation is attained by keeping the commandments, physical prayer, fasting, and observing the Law of Moses.(Mat 17:21) (Mark 9:29) Paul neglected these commands (Ephesians 2:8-9) and distorted the Path to Salvation preached by Jesus. Jesus and all the Bible prophets taught that Physical Prayer is commanded..(Genesis 17:3) (Joshua 5:14) (Daniel 9:3) (Matthew 26:39) while the false apostle paul rejected these laws, he disobeyed the physical prayer to God.and He distorted the prayer and directed it towards His Prophet, Jesus (Philemon 2:10) .. and more and more of his lies against God of the Bible and Jesus Jesus said "DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH YOUR FATHER; for ONE IS YOUR FATHER, HE who is in heaven"(Matthew 23:9) which is 100% true,,but the deceiver paul said "For I BECAME YOUR FATHER"(1 Corinthians 4:15) .. for God sake,,how it can be clearer ! no one ever can follow God and Jesus and in same time follow paul and satan teaching ,,as both are totally the opposite. " I'd never heard of this idea but there were quite a few commentors agreeing or adding to the issues they had. Has anyone seen this before? Is it common?
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    Hatred of Paul

    Absolutely, it was a vague throw away term simply to indicate that the idea didn't appear to be coming from one person, but discussions seemed to get dozens if not hundreds of people agreeing. I have no idea how common this idea is, I was purely asking the question to gain some understanding and I think the responses here have been great to that end.
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    Hatred of Paul

    So Paul was the Joseph Smith of his time? Some guy who was down on his luck figured out how to convince the already superstitious of his divine orders. Those orders included making him rich and powerful.
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    A beautiful church

    I get the positive message they are going for and respect the attempt at showing love and empathy but my first thought is they are speaking for a whole group of diverse people and in any large group complete agreement on all subjects is unlikely. I would think it should read "our preacher wishes all of our congregation held these values". The bigger the group the less likely there will be agreement on all subjects. The generalisation of the statement just doesn't sound right to me. Most of the values listed are human rights and empathy issues, but climate change is a unusual subject to include in that list. I would also have trouble with the "no one is illegal" message. Just purely from a definition point that can't be correct. If there are immigration laws in place that you have broken, then by definition you are an illegal immigrant. You can't choose to opt out of the law. You could say "all immigrants are due respect, love, compassion and aid" which fits the tone of the whole message.
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    10 commandments misunderstood.

    I always thought it was contradictory to say "we don't follow the OT laws, Jesus started a new covenant" then worshipping the ten commandments. Either the OT laws should be followed in which case we should be killing witches and people working on weekends, or none of it is relevant in which case the ten commandments are irrelevant.
  7. Absolutely, we rely on technology to push us to the top of the foodchain, in a natural environment we are lunch. We also can't survive heat, cold, too much sun, too much water, and only have one set of teeth that will eventually fail us. No camouflage and no exo-skeleton. My design for humans 2.0 will be crab people
  8. "The temperature they measured? A stunning negative 144 degrees Fahrenheit (-97.8 degrees Celsius)" Wow, way lower than I would have imagined!
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    Lack of unity

    One glaring issue that has always stood out to me is the lack of unity in Christianity. If there was a single message and a single understanding, then religion would have a very strong base to build from. It is actually hard to think of any subject which all Christians can agree on. Can women be priests? Should gays be allowed in church? What is hell, how do you get there and can you get out? Do we still follow the OT laws? Should we work the sabbath? Are fantasy movies the work of the devil? Which parts of the bible are literal vs moral stories? From what we know of the early Christians this problem has existed since day 1. There were sects and splits from the start, each believing in different holy books and following different leadership. Those problems continued with the formation of the bible, where no one could agree on which books to include and which were not inspired by god and today we have dozens of different versions of the bible. This then lead to the great schism, where the eastern orthodox church split from the Catholic Church and then to the split and centuries of bloody warfare between protestants and Catholics. These churches then further split into hundreds of denominations: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members The conflict peaked in the 1600s with the 30 years war, a conflict estimated to have cost 8 million lives. With the worlds population at the time that made it the worst war in human history, only since surpassed by WW2. In more modern times we've seen the creation of new factions such as JW (started 1870s,estimated 8.5m members) and Mormons (started 1820s, estimated 16m members), showing you can change the religion however you wish and still convince millions that the new version is correct. What is the outsider to make of this? As an atheist searching for truth why would I think any of these people have a clue what they are talking about? Christians will say "the false churches were created by Satan to cause confusion" which just leaves me thinking couldn't all-powerful god either stopped him or at least made his wishes clear? Sure there are 2 billion Christians in the world but if you can find any two who agree on their faith I'd call it a miracle.
  10. We have named ~700 species of dinosaur, with around half being from majority complete skeletons. That is one tenth the known species of birds or one fifth the amount of mammal species. Sadly there are likely to be hundreds of species lost to time but we will undoubtedly find several hundred more in the years to come.
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    Not sure whether this is sad or funny

    There is a YouTube channel devoted to "demon magic". He posts clip after clip of magicians doing shows, claiming it is all impossible. People have sent him behind the scenes trick revealed shows, or trick tutorials and all he comes back with is "well yes, maybe that one is, but what about this one!"
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    Not sure whether this is sad or funny

    Satan is after your soul using cheap parlour tricks and a top hat. Satan went from challenging god, to destroying humanity, to inconveniencing old ladies in a rest home. Sad how far hes fallen.
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    Preparing for fundy visit

    I would try to avoid any discussion, no need to burn any bridges if you don't have to. You could probably already guess the answers you will get, they'll be the same thoughtless repetition of what they were taught.
  14. Aron Ra has some great videos but some are so complex on deep subjects (the categories of life ones come to mind) that its often not aimed at a beginner level. I remember going to the museum for the first time and seeing the dinosaurs. I don't think you appreciate the share size of the animals until you stand beside one. They had the full T-Rex skeleton at Auckland museum, and we are so lucky these things went extinct. Humans are relatively useless, we have no natural weapons or defences, aren't great swimmers or climbers and are slower than most predators.
  15. Sorry, I asked him a question, I should have known better than that. Apologies everyone, please go back to ignoring the crazy.
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    Offense joke

    8:00 - I made a snowman. 8:10 - A feminist passed by and asked me why I didn't make a snow woman. 8:15 - So, I made a snow woman. 8:17 - My feminist neighbor complained about the snow woman's voluptuous chest saying it objectified snow women everywhere. 8:20 - The gay couple living nearby threw a hissy fit and moaned it could have been two snow men instead. 8:22 - The transgender man..woman...person asked why I didn't just make one snow person with detachable parts. 8:25 - The vegans at the end of the lane complained about the carrot nose, as veggies are food and not to decorate snow figures with. 8:28 - I am being called a racist because the snow couple is white. 8:31 - The Muslim gent across the road demands the snow woman wear a burqa. 8:40 - The Police arrive saying someone has been offended. 8:42 - The feminist neighbor complained again that the broomstick of the snow woman needs to be removed because it depicted women in a domestic role. 8:43 - The council equality officer arrived and threatened me with eviction. 8:45 - TV news crew from the ABC shows up. I am asked if I know the difference between snowmen and snow-women? I reply, "Snowballs" and am now called a sexist. 9:00 - I'm on the News as a suspected terrorist, racist, homophobic, sensibility offender, bent on stirring up trouble during difficult weather. 9:10 - I am asked if I have any accomplices. My children are taken by social services. 9:29 - Far left protesters offended by everything are marching down the street demanding for me to be beheaded.
  17. Surely you can see melt rates are testable, observable and can be easily tracked over time? Ignoring all of the climate change discussion and focusing on just this piece of information, isn't the reduction in ice caps a bad thing regardless of the cause or solution?
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    Musing about work

    I wasn't aware the US has no vacation time in its laws, it is perfectly legal for a company to offer zero annual leave and even public holidays can be unpaid. It is estimated 23% of companies don't offer annual leave. From what I could see they are the only country in the world to allow this. What does it say when Afghanistan has more care for workers rights? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country As to work hours, I'm in the opposite boat. My workload sits at 110%, so every day I have to decide what I ignore, what gets handled and what doesn't. Hopefully once the big project clears I can get the time back to work on my to-do list. Its sitting at ~2 pages of stuff I haven't gotten to. Working less days or less hours would not work for me but I do refuse to work longer hours or afterhours as that destroys your home life. Its up to the business to correctly resource for the workload, not for me to work myself to death so they can save an extra salary.
  19. God not only punishes you for the original sin, which wasn't your fault, but is constantly cursing innocent people for others crimes: https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/iniquity.html Thats a just and merciful god right there.
  20. I saw a Christian say the generation that Jesus spoke of starts with the rebirth of Israel, so 1948. How did he get there? Take a large shoe horn and ram it till it fits. To my mind if your doomsday doesn't get its own movie it really wasn't hyped enough. Y2K really set the standard for apocalypses with 2012 a close second. I think the trick is to get passed the rapture and include other reasons to pad out your theory. Stick a super volcano, planetary alignment, or ancient calendar in the mix and you'll really get things jumping. Y2K had the genius idea that every chip would die, even those with no date function cos reasons. Let your imagination run wild with what happens and you get a $200 million Hollywood budget to tell your story.
  21. Now I don't believe any of this but I thought it was interesting. One sect in India believe Jesus survived and travelled there were he preached for the rest of his life. They have a tomb which they say has his remains (but of course no one is allowed access so it can't be examined). http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8587838.stm. Their claims state Jesus wasn't up long enough to die from exposure. The story says the guys on either side had their legs broken but Jesus didn't. That being stabbed in the side was only to test if he reacted to pain, but the fact blood flowed shows his heart was still beating. Also they say the risen Jesus had holes in his hands and feet, a spirit wouldn't show wounds so it points to a living person. They had to flee or the Romans would have finished the job, and they needed a story for the people who saw him... I don't believe any of this but its an example of how easy it is to read the passages and get completely different answers. In this case it also shows a natural explanation for a claimed supernatural event.
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    DC movies

    Recently I've been working my way through the DC movies. I had heard a lot of negative comments but thought as a comic book fan I might be more of the target audience. Have to say it was a mixed bag but none really wowed me. Batman vs Superman - long drawn out story with very little actually happening. The conflict they tried to build felt very forced and while I liked the cast (wasn't sure if I'd like Ben Afleck as Batman but thought he was good) the story was lame. 4/10, wouldn't recommend it. Justice League - good effects, couple of funny moments when superman and flash compare speed, rubbish story, superman carries a building which just left me thinking wtf. Watchable but not great 6/10, recommended if its on for free. Suicide Squad - a few funny moments especially Harley Quinn's crazy comments, no idea why Harley Quinn is included in a fighting force when she has no skills or powers. Long movie for not a lot of action, some good effects but another bad story. Dull with the odd laugh 5/10 Aquaman - Jason Mamoa is perfect for the role, effects are great, lots of action including some great fight scenes, a few strange things occur like aquaman using a sub to get around when he could swim ten times faster, or finding a lost world of dinosaurs inside the hollow earth but certainly the best DC movie and well worth a watch if you are a fan of the character, genre or action movies. 7/10. I would say I now understand the negative comments a lot better, but would say many take their hatred of the movies too far. None of them were bad enough to make me rage but certainly none good enough that I'd go back for a second round. I remain firmly a Marvel fan boy.
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    DC movies

    I haven't seen Venom but have seen the bad reviews, what did you dislike about it?
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    Bad atheists ruining good atheists' lives

    Unfortunately those ideas are taught and reinforced on a regular basis. There is not likely anything that will help them see the majority of atheists are just normal people like them. You can say "there are over a billion atheists in the world and in any group that large you will find all variations of humanity. Smart and stupid, rich and poor, hateful and loving. No two members of the group will be the same" but in many cases you would just be spitting into the wind. Probably best to keep your head down and work towards getting your own place asap.