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Now CT, you know I'm just a confused and openminded person so is the question would we be fooled by that or do they think we would be fooled by that? I haven't made a choice yet to become closeminded so I am willing to learn.

 

Please take pity on this lowly swine. :)

 

In all seriousness, the bible predicts this type of person. They don't understand what Jesus was saying so they interpret his words to fit into their dogma. Most of the bible was written with this (mis)understanding, IMO. Jesus didn't want to create the very thing he was trying to destroy...a religious institution.

 

The blind cannot suddenly regain sight and step outside into the bright light without their eyes being burned. So, they choose to keep them shut. :) (IG, that was a very short allegory. Check out Plato's Cave for a more meaningful allegory. Plato's Cave )

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Why is it that Christians accuse us of being Pharisees and scorners, when they are the one's showing all the qualities?

 

I mean... do they really think that anyone is fooled by that?

 

Like the Pharisees, since all the laws are all laid out for them, why bother trying to reinvent the wheel?

 

And whether they really believe it or not doesn't matter...they do it anyway because they have to say something to save face and reassert their position.

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I would definitely be fooled by that. Christians are stupid you know. Sheep like creatures who can't think for themselves. I am honored to have a thread started in my honor. Thanks. Since I can no longer start threads, at least I can inspire them.

Inspecto, did your parents fail to show you love?

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Why is it that Christians accuse us of being Pharisees and scorners, when they are the one's showing all the qualities?

 

I mean... do they really think that anyone is fooled by that?

 

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of Psychological Projection.

 

It's a defense mechanism whereby someone exhibiting a behavior they consciously scorn tends to project said behavior on everybody else, particularly groups or individuals they dislike. Ascribe your own faults to everyone else, and you need not face your faults yourself: you can pretend the other guy is an arrogant, hypocritical bastard instead of realizing that you are.

 

I think everybody can be prone to this to some degree or another; I've certainly caught myself doing it. I also think that certain constructs can support projection more than others, including religious constructs. I mean if you firmly believe that you know what god wants, that's a basis for some seriously major arrogance right there.

 

And yes, they really do think that people are fooled by it.

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I mean... do they really think that anyone is fooled by that?

 

Oh, I can easily imagine at least two kinds of people easily fooled by that.

 

1. the braindead

2. the thoroughly brainwashed

 

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The yeses are way behind. Some of you aren't trying.

 

All cheer for the popular point of view.

 

I would definitely be fooled by that. Christians are stupid you know. Sheep like creatures who can't think for themselves. I am honored to have a thread started in my honor. Thanks. Since I can no longer start threads, at least I can inspire them.

Inspecto, did your parents fail to show you love?

 

Not at all. They loved me enough to tell me the truth. Honesty sometimes hurts, but it's better in the long run.

 

I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

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I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

Yeah, we end up with people like you in the world. Unimaginative, small minded, and a down right lame person, who has nothing better to do then to attempt to show the "love" of god by insulting people. When really all you do is insult yourself.

I hope that one days your eyes are opened to how little your insults do and you stop acting like a 12 year old.

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I hope you need to improve yourself and turn from the ways of evil Jesus. Then you would find in humans love, loyalty and friendship. Oh and you really need to clean up your act, your hypocritical stench are revolting.

 

I hope you find it in yourself to love yourself and other people.

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I guess someone here did this.... would I be fooled by it? no. In my experiance though Christians usually lobbed this insult at other Christians, you know, no one is a "real" Christian, except them and everyone that believes like they do.

 

I just remember when I was a xian this was the insult tossed at people of other churches or sometimes even within the church, but not at non-christians. Not that there weren't lables for them as well.

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Not at all. They loved me enough to tell me the truth. Honesty sometimes hurts, but it's better in the long run.

 

I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

What? You're about as wishy-washy as a prostitute turned nun!

 

Since you have the answers, you are not open-minded remember? Therefore you are close-minded like your parents (just a guess here). Since you are close-minded, your children will have no choice. What value exactly is it that you hold yourself to? We can't figure it out. You have no standards because they change faster than I can read your next post.

 

IG??? Are you not able to put coherent thoughts together and to keep track of just what it is you value? Do you value close-mindedness or open-mindedness? :Doh:

 

Why don't you go back and print out all the posts you made and look for consistency? This just might help you to understand yourself better.

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Why is it that Christians accuse us of being Pharisees and scorners, when they are the one's showing all the qualities?

 

I mean... do they really think that anyone is fooled by that?

 

 

For the same reason Rev. Haggard railed so strongly against homosexuals.

 

A Church I attended for 4 years in Lansing MI had a minister that would from time to time rail against watching porn in your basement. Guess what? That's right, this guy watched porn in his basement. He also railed against Catholics a lot, maybe he was attending mass secretly to?

 

I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

 

Well I for one did force my beliefs on my kids --- when I was a Christian. When I stopped doing that guess what they chose? That's right, non-belief. I didn't tell them to quit believing. I didn't tell them what to think. Given the chance to think it out for themselves they figured out the real nature of the world in spite of their early poisoning -- by me.

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Not at all. They loved me enough to tell me the truth. Honesty sometimes hurts, but it's better in the long run.

 

I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

What? You're about as wishy-washy as a prostitute turned nun!

 

Since you have the answers, you are not open-minded remember? Therefore you are close-minded like your parents (just a guess here). Since you are close-minded, your children will have no choice. What value exactly is it that you hold yourself to? We can't figure it out. You have no standards because they change faster than I can read your next post.

 

IG??? Are you not able to put coherent thoughts together and to keep track of just what it is you value? Do you value close-mindedness or open-mindedness? :Doh:

 

Why don't you go back and print out all the posts you made and look for consistency? This just might help you to understand yourself better.

 

 

Maybe you should just read my posts, as opposed to reading into my posts.

 

I really do hope you guys don't force your beliefs on your children or anyone elses children. You think being open-minded(ie. confused and/or unsure about what you believe) is a good thing. Maybe you can pass on your questions to your children. Then, when they come to me, I can give them the answers.

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I really do hope you guys don't force your beliefs on your children or anyone elses children. You think being open-minded(ie. confused and/or unsure about what you believe) is a good thing. Maybe you can pass on your questions to your children. Then, when they come to me, I can give them the answers.

 

I think it's better to not lie to children, as opposed to holding the mindset that as an adult you "know everything".

 

Especially when there is tangible evidence as close as the nearest bible that the Christian "god is love " bullshit is an utter lie.

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I really do hope you guys don't force your beliefs on your children or anyone elses children. You think being open-minded(ie. confused and/or unsure about what you believe) is a good thing. Maybe you can pass on your questions to your children. Then, when they come to me, I can give them the answers.

Arrogance... and very obvious at that.

 

You see... saying "Godidit" isn't an answer at all. It's just saying that you don't have the answers and you DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS!

 

If you do have the answers, then you can tell us HOW Godidit... and I know that everyone here would love to have that question answered, since it's one of the major stumbling blocks Christianity suffers from and one that no Christian has ever answered.

 

 

 

 

Oh, and because Inspecto has shown that there are words he doesn't understand... (like compassion)

arrogant adj. said of someone or their behaviour: aggressively and offensively self-assertive; having or showing too high an opinion of one's own abilities or importance; impudently over-presumptive
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Thanks for the offer but frankly I would never point my kids in your direction IG. Unlike most Christians I have never told my kids what to believe. They have attended church with me on a regular basis and participate in the youth group at church. Even being that immersed, they question a lot of the contradictions. But again unlike a Christian, I give both points of view in my answers. I also tell them that they must use their own minds to determine what is the correct belief for them and that what I believe isn't necessarily the right belief for them. Funny thing is that my youngest doesn't believe in the Bible (too many contradictions) and may not believe in Jesus. He's a smart kid who uses rational thought and questions, a lot. My oldest doesn't really care one way or another but I do know he has a lot of friends who are agnostic and I believe that he may be one as well.

 

You were told what to believe by your parents, my kids were allowed to make up their own minds based on fact and reason not just heresay or my telling them what to believe.

 

And let me say before you pass judgement, my kids are good kids, both are in honors classes, get good grades, don't drink or do drugs and are contributing members of society. The youngest volunteers weekly at an animal shelter and the oldest volunteers when school and work permits. So the lack of belief in Jesus didn't cause them to be immoral. They are more moral than some whose parents forced religion down their throats.

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All the talk about "Pharisses" drives me up a wall.

 

The Pharisees are the victims of some negative New testament propaganda. How many people who rant about the Pharisees could even name one, or quote one? They have an extennsive existance outside of Christian texts.

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Maybe you should just read my posts, as opposed to reading into my posts.

 

I really do hope you guys don't force your beliefs on your children or anyone elses children. You think being open-minded(ie. confused and/or unsure about what you believe) is a good thing. Maybe you can pass on your questions to your children. Then, when they come to me, I can give them the answers.

 

Bah! This guy ain't worth replying to. He/she/it reminds me of that big dude with the sword in Indiana Jones. Just shoot him/her/it and get on with the story.

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Not at all. They loved me enough to tell me the truth. Honesty sometimes hurts, but it's better in the long run.

 

I just hope that you guys are open-minded enough to let your children choose their own beliefs. After all, we know what happens when you force your beliefs on someone.

What? You're about as wishy-washy as a prostitute turned nun!

 

Since you have the answers, you are not open-minded remember? Therefore you are close-minded like your parents (just a guess here). Since you are close-minded, your children will have no choice. What value exactly is it that you hold yourself to? We can't figure it out. You have no standards because they change faster than I can read your next post.

 

IG??? Are you not able to put coherent thoughts together and to keep track of just what it is you value? Do you value close-mindedness or open-mindedness? :Doh:

 

Why don't you go back and print out all the posts you made and look for consistency? This just might help you to understand yourself better.

 

You think being open-minded(ie. confused and/or unsure about what you believe) is a good thing.

Ya think?? :Doh: Obviously you do too by what I bolded in your post above. Of course, that is just reading what you wrote. If I were to read something into it, I would see that you are living by a double standard (no surprise). You want us to remain open-minded if, and only if, the One True Faith of Christianity is not being shoved down our kid's throats. But as soon as we (or you) inform our children of the One True Faith of Christianity, then we are to become close minded.

 

Stupid much???

 

Prove to us that your One True Faith is the Ultimate Truth™. Why are we to trust your interpretation? Let me teach your children what I see as the truth. Of course, their minds would remain open, because I lack the ignorant arrogance that you have, but I could let them see that the Ultimate Truth is not contained in a single myth.

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