The One Thing That Falsifies Christianity For You?

[I Broke Free]

I'm interested to hear what would you say is the single biggest issue or piece of evidence that falsifies Christianity to you?

 

Christianity is a Catch-22. I can either spend eternity in hell being tormented, or I can kowtow to the meanest and cruelest bastard of the universe for eternity.

 

I can’t believe this is true.

 

I Broke Free

[Dhampir]

The mutual exclusivity of omnipotence and omniscience, and the idea of sucking god's penis for ten trillion years without a moment's pause (see the second or third verse of Amazing Grace for that idea).

 

Also hell.

[ShackledNoMore]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If I claimed that green unicorn men from Tau Ceti were going to destroy our planet unless we spent three hours a day chanting, I'd expect to be dismissed as a crackpot unless I could offer some very compelling evidence. Xianity is no different, it just has more people brainwashed. Instead of evidence, xianity supports claims contrary to evidence we do have, and its primary document, claimed to be perfect and frequently cited for evidence is full of contradictions!

[Guest Thoth-Amon]

Well for me it was many factors piling up on top of each other that convinced me that Christianity was bollocks... some not strong enough to convince me it was entirely wrong, just strong enough to fester doubt. However, the nail in the coffin for me were the many passages in the NT that teach that Jesus would return within the lifetime of the apostles... proof that Jesus and the apostles were false prophets and hence the whole thing was invalidated.

[brad_religion]

Well, I know you only asked for 1 thing that falsifies Christianity for me. I have a list of 22 things (which will probably get larger). Please feel free to add to it.

 

WHY CHRISTIANITY IS FALSE:

 

1)The bible contradicts itself hundreds if not thousands of times

 

2)The bible condones the following behaviors : rape, incest, murder, human sacrifice, injustice, slavery, misogyny, intolerance, homophobia, arrogance, hypocrisy, and much more.

 

3)Most people who believe the bible is the "inspired, infallible word of God" have never read the entire bible and it can be easily proven. And the ones who have read it who make that claim are fanatical about it, just as muslim fanatics are about Islam.

 

4)Christians (especially fundamentalists) are some of the biggest hypocrites in the world (Just listen to them talk out of 2 sides of their mouth)

 

5)There is no historical evidence there was a "Jesus of Nazareth" who ever lived.

 

6)Christianity's doctrines agree a lot more with gnosticism, sun worship and pagan religions than it does with judaism.

 

7)The New Testament shows a completely new monster called "God" which not even the old testament would teach about.

 

8)The new testament authors were either ignorant of the Hebrew scriptures or they intentionally changed them and said they spoke of "Jesus" in the new testament.

 

9)The epistles of Paul (at least the ones attributed to him) contradict the gospels and also never quote from any of the gospels. His Christ was a cosmic sun god who you could only know through gnosis (gnosticism). Paul never once mentions Jesus coming to earth. Perhaps it was the SUN that was the light which made him blind for 3 days!

 

10)Christian leaders are well known for being the biggest voice against certain things (homosexuality, polygamy, cheating on spouses, abortion, Halloween), yet practice such behavior or condone similar behavior to a far larger extreme than the people they condemn.

 

11)Christian leaders use fraud to steal money from their followers (whether in a church or on TV).

 

12)Christians claim the moral high ground, but in reality are the lowest on the moral ladder. (Prison statistics prove this)

 

13)Christians often use "WWJD" (What Would Jesus Do?), yet could care less when it doesn't "fit" their opinion (giving away all their possessions for example).

 

14)If Christianity were true, then there would be no sickness or starvation today (because Jesus said if you lay your hands on sick people, they WILL recover; and if every Christian obeyed the command to "give away your possessions", the money generated could feed every person in the world many times over.)

 

15)Christianity is false because its followers claim to have "faith", yet their apologetics clearly show they are faithless people (they claim they have "evidence" for the existence of Jesus, which cancels out faith).

 

16)Christians claim Islam is evil because the Quran supports what they perceive to be "evil". Yet, the bible says the very same kinds of things, and they call it the "good book".

 

17)Christians are the ones who plead persecution when in reality they persecute everyone else.

 

18)Christians are the loudest to scream "we are tolerant and loving" and quietest when showing it.

 

19)Christians who are biased against science will LIE about it several times and have no formal education to make a claim against it.

 

20)Christians who wish to "reclaim America for Jesus" want to overturn the Constitution and destroy the rights of non-christians or christians they don't agree with. That is why they are trying to legislate morality (marriage amendments, oppose gay marriage, oppose abortion rights, enforce faith based initiatives, etc).

 

21)Christianity's brutal history of wars, violence and genocide show why it is false.

 

22)Christianity's sex crimes against women, children and secret homosexual affairs.

[StewartP]

God's need for worship.

 

Its so . . . petty, why would he demand it? He's God? If he loves us, why the worship.

 

I love my wife. Don't worship her. (OK sometimes)

I love my kids. Don't worship them.

I love my country, I love music, I love food, I love porn, I love a hard day's work.

 

I don't worship anything.

 

All the things I hope love me - my wife and my kids, I don't expect or ask that the worship me. That's weird.

 

My dogs worship me, but then, they're not made in my image.

[R. S. Martin]

 

My dogs worship me, but then, they're not made in my image.

 

[SpaceMonk]

I think I Broke Free's explanation is beautifully simple.

 

For me it has been several 'one thing's actually...

 

At first it was:

If Jesus is the only way to salvation then what about all those people who never heard about him?

The missionaries didn't get to them in time with the 'good news', so for generation after generation their people were defaulting to hell.

 

Then it was the concept of reincarnation.

You don't have to believe in reincarnation to be able to use the concept to disprove the idea of an eternal hell.

Supposedly bible-god loves all of us and wants ALL men to be saved.

So, he could set up a system where when we die our soul gets reborn and has another chance at learning his 'truth', accepting Jesus, and so on, until eventually ALL men/women are saved, just like he says he wants.

But bible-god chose the Hell system, where 90% of his beloved ones end up for eternity.

 

Nowadays I'm into finding out where the bible authors got their ideas from.

It's obvious now that they ripped a lot of it off of more ancient religions and mythology, as well as incorporating astrology (as mentioned in my recent 'Perverted Death Cult' thread in this forum - in which I wasn't claiming anything supernatural about astrology BTW, just astronomical...).

 

Mythology wise, besides the flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh, there are huge parts of Genesis that Moses ripped straight out of ancient Egyptian versions.

Some of my favourite examples:

The creator god Ptah who spoke all things into existence.

He caused the land to emerge out of the primeval waters, on which he created the first being, the god 'Atum'. Atum being the Netjer 'from whom all names emanate'.

Another Egyptian creator god is Khnum who created the first men out of the mud of the Nile forming them on his 'potters wheel' and giving them the 'Breath of Life'.

[ChristiaNazi]

I'm interested to hear what would you say is the single biggest issue or piece of evidence that falsifies Christianity to you?

I realise some of you may find it hard to narrow it down to a single thing, but what do you consider the strongest evidence against?

 

In one word, CHRISTIANS.

 

In case nobody noticed, the stronger the fundamentalism, the more hateful, intolerant and war-loving Christians seem to be. This to me is the biggest evidence that notion of a "personal savior living in one's heart" is a lot of BS.

 

...and to anyone tempted to haul out the "few bad apples" defense, look no further than recent polls about support for the Iraq war. Support for it among Christian fundamentalists is a trend, not an aberration.

[sithprincess]

I think I Broke Free's explanation is beautifully simple.

 

For me it has been several 'one thing's actually...

 

At first it was:

If Jesus is the only way to salvation then what about all those people who never heard about him?

The missionaries didn't get to them in time with the 'good news', so for generation after generation their people were defaulting to hell.

 

Then it was the concept of reincarnation.

You don't have to believe in reincarnation to be able to use the concept to disprove the idea of an eternal hell.

Supposedly bible-god loves all of us and wants ALL men to be saved.

So, he could set up a system where when we die our soul gets reborn and has another chance at learning his 'truth', accepting Jesus, and so on, until eventually ALL men/women are saved, just like he says he wants.

But bible-god chose the Hell system, where 90% of his beloved ones end up for eternity.

 

Nowadays I'm into finding out where the bible authors got their ideas from.

It's obvious now that they ripped a lot of it off of more ancient religions and mythology, as well as incorporating astrology (as mentioned in my recent 'Perverted Death Cult' thread in this forum - in which I wasn't claiming anything supernatural about astrology BTW, just astronomical...).

 

Mythology wise, besides the flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh, there are huge parts of Genesis that Moses ripped straight out of ancient Egyptian versions.

Some of my favourite examples:

The creator god Ptah who spoke all things into existence.

He caused the land to emerge out of the primeval waters, on which he created the first being, the god 'Atum'. Atum being the Netjer 'from whom all names emanate'.

Another Egyptian creator god is Khnum who created the first men out of the mud of the Nile forming them on his 'potters wheel' and giving them the 'Breath of Life'.

 

Space Monk, can you tell me where you got all the Egyptian mythology? I've been looking into some of that, but I'm not so good at ancient history and what happened when, so I'm never sure when a religion was copied from Christianity, like Mithraism - some say it was, some say Christianity copied it, but they occurred so closely together timewise that I guess we can't be sure.

 

 

Now, back to the topic : In a word, hell. For years I just accepted it, and swallowed the crap about "God sends noone to hell, man chooses to go there by not believing". Recently, I started to think about the fact that you can't MAKE yourself believe something, and the more I thought about it, the more I realized how horrendous it is. Then the atrocities in the OT, and then the contradictions...it snowballed.

[SpaceMonk]

Space Monk, can you tell me where you got all the Egyptian mythology? I've been looking into some of that, but I'm not so good at ancient history and what happened when, so I'm never sure when a religion was copied from Christianity, like Mithraism - some say it was, some say Christianity copied it, but they occurred so closely together timewise that I guess we can't be sure...

Ptah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptah

http://www.kemet.org/glossary/ptah.html

 

Atum:

http://www.kemet.org/glossary/tem.html

 

Khnum:

http://www.exn.ca/egypt/story.asp?st=Tour&id=2000021461

 

Basically Google and Wikipedia, but if you're wondering about what preceded the bible, these three are some of the earliest known gods in Egyptian history, and Egypt was founded long before Moses, the Torah's supposed author, was ever born.

The bible gives itself away:

Acts 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians...

 

Also, Exodus 1:11

“…And they (Israelites) built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses."

 

Pithom, or Per-Tem, means “House of Atum”. So both Egyptians and Israelites knew of Atum before Moses would have put his creation stories together.

[Everglaze]

The fact that the Bible God is both selfish and imperfect makes the whole damn book and belief fall apart altogether. He uses people as if they're his pawns, toys with their lives, doesn't give a damn about how they feel as long as it's for his personal gain and yet in the end, he blames them and punishes them for his own mistakes by sending them to Hell. If believers think they can make sense out of all of that, they're misinterpreting what the Bible says in and of itself. It only shows more of the illogical belief that Christians have in this book of ancient tales and hocus pocus with a bit of history mixed in there. Their brains are on mute, so no thanks, I will not succumb to that. I'm not some ignorant subordinate person that screams hallelujah! to some divine entity that hasn't shown proof or any kind of miracle, except what's stirring in the creative and demented imaginations of many that have fallen victim to this horseshit brainwash.

[Guest hickory]

For many years I knew things didn't make sense in Christianity and even as a christian I knew the bible was mostly metaphor ( OK I was catholic not a fundy - we don't DO the bible much)

 

I began studying monasticism, Benedicts Rule and increased my "church" and prayer life. NOTHING changed. I did not become more wise or inspired or anything.

 

I then read other things Bishop Spong, Paine, & Lamont. It began to make less sense however I was a born bred Catholic. My wife had converted and our son was being brought up Catholic in a Catholic school.

 

So for quite a while I was a fence sitter. Not sure which way to go until very recently.

 

Several weeks ago a man walked into a one room Amish school and as we know several innocent little girls were murdered.

 

This man did this while his wife was in a prayer meeting praying for students, teachers and schools.

 

Praying to God that schools and those in them be safe. It did no good - there is no god to hear those prayers and protect the children. Angles do not watch over them.

 

A week later here in my town a boy walked into his middle school with an assualt rifle. He fired a shot into the ceiling then pointed it at the principal and pulled the trigger. The gun was jammed and did not fire. Many here "thanked god" that HE - god - jammed the gun.

 

I ask these folks who say this "WHERE WAS GOD IN PENNSYLVANIA?"

 

That was the one thing for me that clinched it.

 

Hickory

 

P.S. I do admit here that since this is all so very recent I still attend chruch with the fam and they are not aware of my tue beliefs now. Hopefully I will make progress there too.

[Eponymic]

To narrow it down to one thing it would be the

 

Do as I say, NOT as I do principal

[Guest Mike1945]

I'm interested to hear what would you say is the single biggest issue or piece of evidence that falsifies Christianity to you?

 

The hypocrisy of God. God can't even live up to the standards he set for us. God's hands were bloody with murder in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit (supposed to be God also) fornicated with Mary. Jesus (supposed to be God also) was a liar.

 

With all the great responses you're getting, I can't believe I was duped by Christianity for so long.

[Amelia]

I'm interested to hear what would you say is the single biggest issue or piece of evidence that falsifies Christianity to you?

I realise some of you may find it hard to narrow it down to a single thing, but what do you consider the strongest evidence against?

 

Personally I find its the lack of contact/communication with God. The Christian belief that He wants to have a relationship with us, has the power to do so and in doing so would convince us and remove all of the mis-understandings and lies, but for some strange reason does not do so, stands out as a major gap. It is also one that I've not really heard any good answer to. Usually the question is met with "you do not have God in your heart", or "only a true believer can hear Gods word", and yet these "true believers" can't agree on the church, bible or even what God wants of us.

If God wanted me to know Him he could do so. I couldn't reject Him if he made it obvious that he was there... He doesn't.

 

Thoughts?

 

Hey There,

 

This definitely sums the reason why I doubt the Christian perspective and don't follow it. Gawd can definitely do more to help us to believe, but he just won't. And the bullshit Christians feed to you like, "Oh the existence of the earth, and the animals and the oceans and the stars..." prove that gawd exists. Well, no...sorry, but that's just not explicit enough for me. I might be dumb to some (but I know I'm not), but I just need some more specific evidence.

 

The thing is, this all-knowing Christian gawd doesn't do anything to help us believe. How many times have people cried out for some proof - specific proof - and got nothing?

 

Oh, and the times when you hear about miracles...it's all third world stuff. Never happens here in Australia, or places like the US or UK, and the Christians claim it's because we don't have the childlike (i.e. dumb) faith. Pppffffffffffttttttttt!

 

How many people lose loved ones every day? How many people lose the person that means everything to them with each day? Gawd never comforts them, and for me, comfort would be some proof that my loved one has gone to wherever in the afterlife, and I'm going to be with them again. Gawd doesn't - won't - do that. It's like the Christian gawd just wants us to flounder here.

 

And no, the bible just doesn't prove anything to me. How do we know the bible is gawd's word? I could just write a diary entry tonight and say it's a new book of the bible. Who says it's what it is? Nobody knows.

 

Just my ramblings!

 

Amelia

[essence]

For me, it came down to God him/itself and his failure to live up to his own standards, when they didn't contradict each other, of course.

 

For example: one moment we're told that God is "all powerfull". The next, we're told that "Oh, God couldn't do it because you lacked faith."

 

Huh?

 

An all powerful God doesn't need me to have faith in him to achieve his goals. If he is dependent on my "sinful, imperfect" faith, then he's not all powerful. In fact, he is weaker than I am. Anything claiming to be stronger than I am yet is weaker than I am is firstly, a liar, and secondly, not worth a pinch of shit, let alone any sort of "worship".

 

And if he isn't all powerful, like the christians and indeed himself say, what else isn't he?

 

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What else isn't he? He isn't the God of Christians(uncircumcised Gentiles). Proof? Jesus stated: "I am sent to none but the lost sheep of the house of Israel (the circumcised). Christianity within this scope of reasoning is illegitimate. The "body of Christ" remained Jewish. Jesus excluded Gentiles unless they converted to Judaism, which was his way, truth and life as a Jew - "salvation is of the JEws". And, Jesus did not extend his Judaism to non Jewish people nor was his God the Father to non-Jewish people. "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob", and the one seed of promise was/is seen in the son Jacob.

 

The brother Esau was also excluded as God loved Jacob and hated Esau forever. God also hated the many other tribal people living in the land of Canaan. This is how God so loved his world of Israel.

 

[dulce]

Evidence that falsifies christianity?

 

Christians

[08 hawk]

A couple for me:

 

I don't believe that a God would let all this violence and madness happen in this world (I.E. Murderers, accidents, ect)

 

I don't get how a loving God would send a kind spirited person to burn in hell for all eternity just for not believing in a higher power

[Heimdall]

The very fact that the timeline established by the NT does not jibe...They can't tell what century their man-god was born in, they want him to be baptisted by John but neither gospel that reports his birth has him born at a time where this would be possible (one is way too early and one is way too late), they both want him to die after John, but by the time lines of each, that would be impossible, they both want him tried by Pontius Pilate, but again the time lines of both make it highly unlikely - especially tied in to John's life, ministry and death...in short nothing even jibes in the whole story! - Heimdall

[sithprincess]

Space Monk, can you tell me where you got all the Egyptian mythology? I've been looking into some of that, but I'm not so good at ancient history and what happened when, so I'm never sure when a religion was copied from Christianity, like Mithraism - some say it was, some say Christianity copied it, but they occurred so closely together timewise that I guess we can't be sure...

Ptah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptah

http://www.kemet.org/glossary/ptah.html

 

Atum:

http://www.kemet.org/glossary/tem.html

 

Khnum:

http://www.exn.ca/egypt/story.asp?st=Tour&id=2000021461

 

Basically Google and Wikipedia, but if you're wondering about what preceded the bible, these three are some of the earliest known gods in Egyptian history, and Egypt was founded long before Moses, the Torah's supposed author, was ever born.

The bible gives itself away:

Acts 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians...

 

Also, Exodus 1:11

“…And they (Israelites) built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses."

 

Pithom, or Per-Tem, means “House of Atum”. So both Egyptians and Israelites knew of Atum before Moses would have put his creation stories together.

 

Thank you!

[Jedah]

Can I say....everything together ? No really, thats it. Christianity as a whole has failed to make sense of itself. The fundies who dont know jack about the very religion they obssess over contradict themselves more then the clinically retarded. The actual proven history of Jesus is shadey at best. The OT reaks of having borrowed from various mythologies from other cultures. The NT moral structure is really just a dumbed down version of eastern philosophy once studied. And to top it all off there just isnt any evidence whatsoever for any of the supernatural occruances claimed by xians period. Xianity fails in every way shape and form, only succeeding at dilluding the masses, and even then more and more people are turning away from fundyism anyways...so soon xians wont be at the top anymore...possibly in our lifetime.

 

The religion completely fails.

[weary traveler]

It was reading....really reading...the bible--esp the OT. It was so obviously written by bronze-age men with bronze-age sensibilities (if you can call it that).

 

Same here. The bible "converted" me you could say, and then sometime later, that same bible "deconverted" me! Strange huh? That is the single biggest thing that falsified it for me. If God wanted us to know of certain specific truths and realities, then He/She/It would be able to transmit those teachings somehow, and it wouldn't have ERRORS!