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Those of you here who used to be pentecostal/charasmatic whatever and did the speaking in tongues thing. What was going on there?


Given that, if you now believe there is no Holy Spirit, what was doing that babbling? Were you faking it, or in a form of hysteria?


If you were faking it why? Did you suspect others were faking it too?







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Being an ex-Pentecostal I know all about babbling in tongues, ufortunately.


I was first exposed this this when I was about 12, and at that time the whole thing gave me the willies. Here I was in a church with everyone (including my parents) jumping around like idiots, the preacher is yelling, everyone is shouting, you would almost think you were in the drunk tank, not a church. I imagined it must be very similar to group therapy hour in a mental hospital. Anyway I could never do it, no matter how hard I tried. A couple of times I did fake it (very knowingly) because I realized in looking around the church that I was the only person not doing it, and I didn't want anyone to notice and give me looks. But I would sit there and think my god am I the only person in this entire church who hasn't completely lost their mind and gone off the deep end?


The big problem with so-called "speaking in tongues" is that we were led to believe that if you couldn't do it, you were not filled with the holy spirit, and if you weren't filled with the spirit, you were not saved. So there was an enormous pressure for people to "perform", and I have to think that led to quite a few "fakes". For the remaining people who didn't knowingly fake it, I think that pressure, combined with a highly charged atmosphere of yelling and shouting, hand clapping, jumping around, etc. brings people into this sort of "mass hysteria" state and they just start babbling.


OMG look I just tried it and after all these years I can finally speak in tonges: "aarirfkfk lvkibliei lkifkkiieww fjeidkd" Praise Jebus! Hallilujia!! :lmao:

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Well! this happend to me when i was 19. I had prayed for an hour and afterwards when i said amen, sumthing took controll of my tongue and cauzed it to go on for 3 hours that night, and the following 2 days. Well! im an exchristian today,so dont know what that was but i was definitely not in controll.

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hehe speaking in tongues really is a load of nonsense isn't it? I used to do it, believing it was something that 'edified the spirit', and we always used to pray in tongues for two or three minutes at church. I'm sure the folk from church still do. Heaven knows how it all started, this speaking in tongues. Maybe it was the work of a demon, you would understand it if demons get people to do strange things like that. Oops, don't wanna call the work of the Holy Spirit the work of a demon now .. do I?


I can still speak in tongues now, just tried it :grin:

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I spoke in tounges and, like the others here, I can still do it. Yes, I believed the Holy Spirit was speaking through me. I'm so embarrassed by the whole thing now.

My opinoin:

I would have to say that people who speak in tounges and the whole "full gospel" genre of Christianity tend to have emotional problems and are not knowledgeable in healthy ways of dealing with their issues. The emotionalism of the services, tend to elicit people to react primitively, kind of like tribal rituals. They can release their emotions, cry, yell, shake, babble, run around, and receive the support from others, they normally don't receive. What they consider "the spirit of god" are simply the endorphins kicking in. Yes, it can feel like god or something outside of yourself has "possessed" you, but all that is happening is 1. A chemical reaction in your brain 2. Your subconcious mind dealing with issues that your concious mind hasn't processed.

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This girl at college once explained to me that speaking in tongues was like saying a special prayer that the Devil could not hear. :Wendywhatever: . I think it's just hysteria personally.

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I can't say I've ever "spoken in tongues," but I've heard my dad do it.

I asked him if he had any "spiritual gifts", and he said "I can speak in tongues." And then he told me about how when he was a new Christian convert, he had a few of fellow men churchgoers telling him that he could speak in tongues. They told him to "just try it" and he said this:

"I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. kfjela jkflejakls fjkelajsflka. kfjlea jkleajksfl jkfelajksl..."



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Well the church that I grew up in was Pentecostal as well, but we were more conservative or luke warm or whatever you want to say...Speaking in tongues rarely happened in church services..the occasional word and interpetaion happened but not very often as it wasn't scheduled in to the program of the service on the bulliten...


BUT at the camps in the summer time this was a big deal.. usually on friday after a week of being brainwashed they would have holyspirt days where you would be pressured to accept the holy spirrt and speak in tongues. For years I tried thinking something was holding me back...my mother would speak in tongues and I heard others at prayer meeting too. We were taught that it is a langague in which we can communicte with to god that the devil cannot understand. As well as a more divine way in which your spirt prays to the trinity. Also a spirtiual gift and a sign to others that you are a true believer.


I did eventually go to a women retreat years ago... where again we prayed for the holyspirt to come and to speak in tongues.. The speaker there would sing in tongues and one girl I knew from my prayer group also could sign in tongues.. I remember wanting to be able to sing in tongues and eventually that night was able to. In the following months I tried to sing in tongues again but I never could really.... I tried to force it and then I think it was mostly me... (I did speak in tongues one time when I was in a car accident four years ago... started speaking in tongues in the middle of the road...was pretty embarressed afterwards. Luckily I was with my friend who was also pentecostal but did not speak in tongues.... I did call out to Jesus as we were spinning around in the car though).


This is what i think now... people are pressured by peers and emoitons into speaking in tongues they make it happen and somehow there brain takes over and they truly expeience speaking in tongues and are not faking it.... others cannot have it happen and feel like there peers will view them as unworthy so they fake it. I have read the study on brainlobes of people studied while speaking in tongues. It is interessting, there is something going on in the brain that is perhaps a learned behaviour. But a lot of people do fake it and act it up for attention... some are truly genunie and it can be hard to tell the difference.

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There's an interesting scientific perspective here:



"Speaking in tongues," or glossolalia--an intense, trancelike state where the speaker is ostensibly in direct connection with God--has been around for thousands of years.


Now psychiatrist Andrew Newberg and colleagues at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia say they have captured glossolalia on brain scans. They recruited 5 black women from a local Pentecostal congregation, where speaking in tongues is common, and asked them to sing gospel songs and to speak in tongues. During each activity, the women were injected with a radioactive tracer that provided brain-scanning equipment with a snapshot, in effect, of which areas were most active as indicated by blood flow.


The scientists report in the November issue of Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging that compared to when the women were singing, frontal lobe function decreased during glossolalia. "The part of the brain that normally makes them feel in control has been essentially shut down," explains Newberg. And there was increased activity in the brain's parietal region, which he says "takes sensory information and tries to create a sense of self and how you relate to the rest of the world." Both of these shifts are the opposite of what happens to the brain in a meditative state, he says.


Psychologist Michael Persinger of Laurentian University in Ontario, who has done brainwave research with glossolalia, agrees that increased parietal activity "would be associated with … an enhancement of 'touching' sensations over the entire body--i.e., being touched by the 'spirit.'"

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When I was in a penetacostal church I wanted to speak in tounges, so I went told the preacher.

He put his hands on me, and prayed.....prayed some more....prayed some more....finally he said it'll come to you.


A church bus driver said just say shundie over and over and you'll create more words.


I really got into it blabbering, rolling on the floor and running around the church room. I copy cated then just got into it.


It's all just copy cating then getting into it, and feeling the adrenaline. I'v experianced the same thing at dance clubs. Ever seen someone dancing, and started doing it yourself?


Same thing there's no holy spook doing it. Just copycating, getting creative, and feeling adrenaline.


Also "shundie" is Sundie "what we call sunday in my town" with an H in it, and making it sound like Shun- die. This is no special language just rewording it to make it look like it.

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I spoke in tongues back in my fundie days. I think it's a learned behavior and emotionalism. I spent all night in a prayer chapel back in 1985 praying to receive the baptism of the spirit. I didn't speak in tongues that night though I thought I felt the presence of god very strongly, but I did later on when a friend of mine prayed over me. I uttered some ecstatic gibberish and my friend said, "You got it! Glory!" Well, okay, he didn't say "Glory!" :) I could still speak in tongues if I wanted to, but I never do so, unless I am mocking the practice, as I did in the attached file. Glory!


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I spoke in tongues, too. I remember the first experience quite well. I was gripped by intense emotionalism and then my speech just got going of itself. I could stand back with another part of my mind and listen to it. I think it's activation of the language centers of the brain. It's so widespread in the world that I don't see any reason to think that it's anything other than a little-understood psychological phenomenon. Stories of people speaking known languages are never eyewitness accounts; invariably, it's third-hand or fourth-hand. I never met anyone who understood what the tongue speaker was saying.


I uttered some ecstatic gibberish and my friend said, "You got it! Glory!" Well, okay, he didn't say "Glory!" :) Glory!


Brohter Jeff, don't stop saying "Glory," ya hear!?

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There are four thousand christian converts to The Religion of The Pentecostalists everyday ! Do you know why This Religion hold so much attraction for You ? Is It The Music ? Is It The Dancing , Shouting ? How About The Emotional Release You Get From What You Term'' Speaking In Tongues '' Or '' Getting The Holy Spirit ''

Do You Feel As If Your Life Has Changed When You Became Baptized ?

Or After You Claim You're '' Born Again '' ? Do You Know What These Phrases Mean ? What Is The Pentecost Religion Offering You ? Was It Yashua , Isa Jesus . Did Yashua , Isa , Jesus Say '' No Man Can Get To The Father Except By Way Of The Disciples ? Did He Say , '' My Disciples Are The The Way , The Truth



And The Light ? He never said any of these Things . Yashua Isa . Jesus never spoke of The Pentecost . The First Recorded Incident Of A Socalled Pentecost Is In Act 2 ; 1 ;.... And in the 50th Day '' Of Pentecost '' Was Completed They Were All Together With One Mind In The Same Place . < In Greek >

The Book Of Acts Was Written by Luke In The Year 61 A.D. ( Which Is 27 Years After Yashua , Isa , Jesus Crucifixion In The Year 33 A.D. ) Luke was not Even one of The Origional Disciples Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus . He Didn't Know How Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Spoke Nor Of His Vernacular ( '' The Particular Words He Would Have Chosen '' ) So he obviously Never Received this word from him . Even In The Beginning Of Luke's Story , He Admits That He Is Writing His Version Because



The Other Disciples Wrote Their Own Versions < Luke 1 ; 1 - 3 > ....Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

He Didn't Say Anything About Divine Inspiration . < He Says . '' Since I Have More UnderStanding That All Of Them , I Might As Well Write Too '' Luke Was A Gentile , Born In Antioch , Syria . He Was Converted To Christianity By The 13th - Self Appoineted Apostle Name Paul Who Deliberately Set Out To Convert Gentiles

To Christianity Because He Like The Popularity . His Watered Down Religion Arose Amongst The Gentiles . Paul Discovered That By '' Revising '' The Laws And Commandments Left By Yashua , Isa , Jesus ; He Was Able To Win Over A LargeFollowing Of Gentiles

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The Pentecostal Church Believes In ;

The Bible Is Fool Proof And Untampered

The Trinity ( Father , Son , Holy Ghost )

The Virgin Birth Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus

The Crucifixion , For The Sins Of The World

The Resurrection

The Return Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus In The Last Days .

The Pentecostal Churche's Faith And Practice Began To Resemble Revivalistic And Holiness Movements During The 19th Century . This Caused Them To Believe That They Must Pray Unceasingly . Confessing Their Sins Until They Felt Inward Assurance Of Salvation They Claim That A Person Can Reach The State Of Holiness If He Stop Trying To Achieve Perfection And Allows The Holy Ghost To Enter In Hom / Her . This Is What They Call '' The Christ Life ''

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The Worship Of The Pentecosts

Most Of The Worshipping That Take Place In The Pentecostal Churches Is Demonstrative And Emotional . The Hand Clapping , Foot Stomping , Crying , Shouting AndThe Exercising Of Spiritual Powers ( Such As Speaking In Tongues )

Were Encouraged By Lay Preachers Such As Oral Roberts, Jim Bakker , Billy Graham Etc .. Presently , The Preachers Who Lead Sermons Are Trained Minister In College Seminars Of Bible Institutions , They Encourage More Of An Orderly Worship With Less Emotionalism Because They Tried To Obtain Respect For Order In The Church . However . The Congregation Is Able To Attain A Height Of Joyful And Emotional Spirituality . It Was These Congregation That Make Up Televangelism ; The Name Of Televised Evangelism Today .



Within The Many Ordained Pentecostal Churches , Most Of Their Services , If Not All , Have The Same Elments ;

Spirited Singing Of Gospel Hymns

Spur Of The Moment Prayers

Personal Testimoines

Sermons On The Various Topivs Such As Salvation , Spiritual Baptism . Divine Healing And The Second Coming

Altar Services That May Consist Of One Of The Following ; Being Saved , Sanctified , Filled With The Holy Ghost Or Healed .

Orther Practices Performed By The Pentecostal Churches Are Baptism By Immersion And Communion ( The Lord Supper ) . Other Groups Of This Denmonation Also Also Practice '' Foot '' Washing '' The Was Performed Because Yashua , Isa ,



Jesus Instructed His Disciples To Wash Each Other's Feets John 13; 14 ...If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.'' If I Then Your Lord And Master Have Washed Your Feet Ye Also Ought To Wash One Another's Feet ''

So There You Have It . Now You See That The Teachings Of The Pentecost , As Well As Other Church Denominations , Do Not Use A Correct Donctrine .

They Took Yashua , Isa , Jesus Teaching And Added And Subtracted From Them To Formulate Their Own Doctrine .

The Day Of The Pentecost Is Also Termed '' White Sunday '' Because The Proselytes Wear White Robes On The Sunday They Are To Be Baptized . They Continue To Wear The White For A Week To Symbolized Purity And Forgiveness For Their Sins . Does This Mean That Once The Baptism Is Over , And The Week Is Up . You Change Back Into Your Impure Unforgiving Clothing . The Forgiveness And Purity Are Over ? What Does This Tell You About The Clothing You Are Supposed To Be Wearing ? < This Not Only Goes For The Wearing Of

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White . The Whole Attitude Of Going To Church On Sundays Or To The Mosque For Jum'ah ( The Day Of Gathering ) Or To The Synagogue For The ( Shabat ) Sabbath ; One You Leave , Everything Goes Back To Noramal . And By The WeekEnd , Your Off To Some Party Drinking Or Something Else . You Know What I'm Talking About , < Once Church . Jum'ah Or The Sabbath Is Out The Purity . And The Holiness Goes Out The Door As Well ;... According To The Pentecostalists One Must Seek A Religious Experience Called Baptism Of The Holy Spirit . This Corresponds To The Descent Of The Holy Spirit Recorded By Luke

( The Gentile ) In Acts 2 ; 4 ;... And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Pentecostalists Claim That One Must Seek To Become Closer To Thehos / God Through Speaking In Tongues . The Scientific Name They Give This Occurrence



Is Glossolalia ( Which Is Defined As Tongues ) As For The Pentecoistalist . Speaking In Tongues Is '' The Inarticulate Speech , Meaningless Sounds; Jargon , Uttered In Times Of Emotional Frenzy '' Concluded By The Belief That '' The Speaker Is Possessed Of The Holy Spirit '' This Spirit That You People Are Getting Is Not A Holy Spirit , But What Jesus Termed An '' Unclean Spirit Mark 1 ; 23 - 26 ;.... And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, 24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. 25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. 26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.



Revelation 18; 2 ;.... And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

This Unclean Or Unholy Spirit Has You Pentecostalists . Acting Like People Who Are In A State Of Discomfort ( Not Being Comforted ) ;....

John 14 ;26 ;.... And I Quote ;....But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

And John 15 ; 26 And I Quote ;....But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:



To Comfort In 1Chronicles 7 ; 22 ;..It Says And I Quote ;.... And Ephraim their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort him.

This Means To Comfort A Person Make Them Relax And Feel Better Not Jump Around And Foam Out The Mouth . No Holy Spirit Would Snatch A 60 Year Old Woman Out Of Her Seat , Throw Her On The Floor , Foaming At The Mouth And Kicking .... These People Have Attached An Unholy Spirit ( Conjuring Up Unholy Spirits ) Using The Symbol Of The Pentagram ;...

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What Is The Pentagram And What Does It Have To Do With Pentecost

A Pentagram Is A Pentacle ( A Five Point Star Connected With Five Straight Lines ) It It Seen As A Goat ( A Billy Goat ) . A Goat Is Also Known As A Ram ( Identified By The Two Curved Horms Protruding From Its Head ) . Yashua , Isa Jesus The Goat To Symbolize Evil And The Sheep To Symbolize Good ;..



Matthew 25 ; 33 ;... And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Not That The Goat In Another Form Is Depicted As A Half Creature , Half Male Half Female . Sitting In A Lotus Postion With The Symbol Of The Kundilini Coming Up Between His Legs . He Has The Head Of The Goat . Which Was Of Neutral Gender Having Of The 5 Pointed Star Thus , This Is Where The Hindu God Krishna Comes From Being Half Male And Half Female . Let Us LQQk At The Different Connotation Between Sheep And Goat . < Goat - Left Side Evil ---- Sheep - Right Side Good>



Pentecost Is Also Derived From The Word '' Pentagram '' Pentecost ... Pentekoste

Is A Greek Word Meaning '' Fifty Times ' It Is A Combination Of The Two Words Pente - Meaning '' Five And Koste '' - Meaning '' Ten Times '' As You Can See Pentecost Is Not A Favorable Name To Be Chosen For This So - Called Holy Day . It Is A Name That Stirs Up Unholy Connotations . Doesn't This Make You Wonder Why Anyone Would Use This Name ? Yashua Isa ,Jesus Never Did . The Word Pentecost Occurs Only Three Times In The Recording Of Those Who Claimed To Have Followed The Teaching Of Yashua Isa Jesus . The Name Pentecost Is Recorded In ..

Acts 2 ; 1 ;...And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.



Acts 20 ; 16 ;...For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

1Corinthian 16 ; 8 ;... But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

The Book Of Acts Was Wrtten By Luke Who ( As Previously Stated ) Was Never A Companion Of Yashua . Isa . Jesus .But A Gentile . The Books Of Corinthians Was Written By Paul ( The 13th Self - Appointed Apostle ) Who Never Met Yashua , Isa , Jesus . He Was An Avid Persecutor Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus And His Disciples

Acts Chater 8 ;..... And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were



all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. 2 And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him. 3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. 4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word. 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. 8 And there was great joy in that city. 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched

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the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy



Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. 24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none



of these things which ye have spoken come upon me. 25 And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. 26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to



the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the



water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

You Pentecostalists Reserve A Part Of Your Sunday Services For What You Term '' Receiving The Spirit ''

This Is Usually The Part Of The Sermon When ( After Everyone Has Gotten ''Good And Riled Up ) The Music Is Playing . Everyone Is Clapping , And The Preacher Has Worked Up A Good Sweat. Then The Members Are Called On To '' Receive The Spirit '' . Miss Maxine Or Sister Gladys Starts The Performance ; One Of Them Falls Out The Chair And Starts Jumping Around Like Something Is After Her . Pretty Soon She Is Muttering And Babbling Mumbo - Jumbo And Brother




Henry Is On The Scene Patting Her Hand While The Reverend Is Translating Saying '' She Has Received The Holy Ghost '' . < Now Be Truthful > Do You Really Feel That The Holy Spirit Is Upon You ? Or Are You Acting That Way Because You Saw Your Aunt Millie Acting That Way ? Or Have You Been Intimidated Because All Your Family , Friends And Associates Claimed To Have '' Recived The Holy Spirit '' And You Felt Left Out Because You Haven't ? Most Of The People Are Made To Feel Inferior This Way And This Is How The Lie Is Perpetuated . There Are People In The Pentecostal Churches Who Are Possessed Of A Spirit . They Are The Ones Who Have Obviously Lost Control .. They Are Thrown Out Of Their Chairs , Foaming At The Mouth , Falling On The Floors , Jumping . Punching Kicking And Going Through Contortions . Just Like Those Voodoo Ritualists In Haiti , Africa , And Other Parts Of South America . These People Are Ancestor Worshippers. They Worship So - called Saints And Evil Spirit . They . Too . Go Through These '' Fits 'When Their Worship Is At Its Peak . Music Plays A Very Important Part Of Their Worship Is It The Basis For The Summoning Of These Evil Spirit . These People Become Possessed Of An

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Unholy Spirit , Not The Holy Spirit , No Holy Spirit Would Ever Throw You From Your Chair And Would Have You Foaming At The Mouth . In These Last Days Evil Spirit Have Been Let Loose Upon The World . Still You Pentecostalists , Draw Them To Yourselves By Playing The Same Music That The Voodoo Ritualists Listen To . Which Opens Your Souls Up To Receive These Unholy Spirits . Yashua , Isa , Jesus Never Did This . When The Spirit Of Eli ( God ) Came Upon Yashua , Isa . Jesus , While He Was Being Baptized By John The Baptist Mark 1 ; 9 - 10 ;..... And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:



He Not Flip Around In The Water And Acts Crazy , Neither Did Elizabeth ( Mother Of John The Baptist ) He Ascended To The Second Plane While John The Baptist Was Left Holding His Temporarily Lifeless Body That Was Filled By The Holy Spirit Luke 1 ; 41 ;...And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: When He Returned . The Holy Spirit Descended Upon Him '' Like A Dove

Matthew 3 ; 14 - 17 ;... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,



and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Afterwaeds , Yashua , Isa . Jesus Was Full Of Reassurance , Comfort And Joyous Feeling . The Holy Spirit Heals You Refreshes You , Bring You Back To Life And Makes You Whole . This Is The Essence Of Being Filled With The Holy Spirit - The Spirit Of Eli ( God ) . No Preacher Can Do This For You ;... Mark 11 ; 22 - 23 ;.. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.



All The Prophets Were Filled With A Comforting Feeling Upon Receiving The Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit Is Comforter ( Not The Comforter As In John 16 ; 1 ;....These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended

It Will Not Put You In A State Of Discomfort Like These Pentecostalists . Yashua Isa . Jesus Said .. '' When The Holy Spirit ( Or Comforter ) Comes Upon You , It Will Stay With You Forever '' . John 1 ; 33 ;...And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

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So How Is It , You Pentecostalists ( Who Claim To Have Received The Holy Spirit ) Only Get It On Sundays ? You Claim To Have Received The Holy Spirit During The Sermon And After The Sermon . Then You Get Up From The Floor , Dust Your Clothes Off And Go Home . Nothing Has Changed In Your Lite Yashua Isa , Christ Said ; You Must Be Born Again . John 3 ; 3 - 5 ;.... Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



Yes . You Must Receive The Holy Spirit . Not The Unholy Spirit Pentecostalists Receive . When You Receive A Portion Of The Holy Spirit . You Will Be Filled With Good , Warm . Comforting Feelings And It Will Stay With You Forever . Joel Has Recorded , In The Last Days Eli ( God ) Will Pour His Spirit Upon Man Joel 2 ; 28 - 29 ;..... And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

This Means All People , Not Just Your Group . < It Is Interesting The Same Quote Is Repeated In The Book Of Acts 2 ; 17 - 18 ;.... And it shall come to pass in the last



days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

These Verses Imply That This Out - Pouring Of Eli's ( God's ) Spirit . Referred To The Gentiles Joel 2 ; 27 - 30... And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Is Talking About The Children Of Israel , Not The Gentiles . Stop Trying To Include Them In The Covenant !! They Have No Part In It !!! If You LQQk At Verse 30 You'll See How It Tried To Verify The Incident Of The Disciples Receiving The Holy Spirit ''



Wonder In The Heavens And In The Earth ... And Pillars Of Smoke '' Doesn't This Sound Like The '' Cloven Tongues Like As Of Fire '' That Was Said To Have Appeared Over The Disciples ' Heads ?You Must Read Your Bible To Achieve A Total OverStanding . I'm Not Saying That The Disciples Were Not Filled With The Holy Spirit . It Was A Recorded Incident . Yashua , Isa Jesus Breathed A Portion Of His Spirit ( Angelic Nature John 20 ; 21 - 23 ... Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.



On His Disciples In Order For Them To Be Able To Reach The Judahites In Other Lands . He Told Them '' ... Take No Thought How Or What Ye Shall Speak ... ( The Holy Spirit Inspires You To Speak . You Don't Have To Prepare Yourself . If You Are Sincere In What You Believe And It Is The Truth , The Holy Spirit WiLL Use You To Spread The Word Of Eli ( God ) This Was The Responsibility Yashua , Isa, Jesus Had With His Disciples At That Point To Return The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel ( Judahites ) To The Laws Of The Religion Of Thutmose ( Moses ) . Yashua . Isa . Jesus Told Them They Would Have To Testify Against The Gentiles !!!



Matthew 10 ; 18 ... And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

He Said Against The Gentiles . Do You Know What Against Means ? According To

'' The American Heritage Dictionary '' Against Is Defined As ;

a ' gainst ( ... - gunst '' ) prep . 1 . In a direction or course opposite to ; row against the current . [ Middle English , alteration of againes , from Old English ongeagn . ] HowCan You BeWith And Against At The Same Time ! By Now I'm Sure You Can't Carry The Claim For The Gentiles And Further . They Were Not Included Then And They Are Still Not Included In Any Of The Covenants Of The Children Of Israel ( Judahites ) . When Yashua , Isa , Jesus Breathed The Holy Spirit ( A Portion Of His Angelic Nature ) On The Disciples , They Didn't Start Throwing Themselves Around The Room , Mumbling


And Foaming At The Mouth .

John 20 ; 22 ;... And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

They Didn't Start '' Speaking In Tongues '' As If Possessed . Nobody Was Hollering And There Was No Music Playing . The Disciples Had To Be Exceedingly Quiet Because They Were In Hiding From The Israelites Who Sought To Kill Yashua , Isa , Jesus . Where Do You Pentecostalists , Get This Performance Of '' Receiving The Holy Spirit '' From ? What Makes You Feel As Though You're Good Enough To Be Filled With The Holy Spirit Anyway ? Who Gave These Pentecostalists Preacher The Authority To Bestow The Holy Spirit On Anyone ? Yashua . Isa , Jesus Eli ( God )

The Father Will Send The Holy Ghost Ghost ( Or A Spirit ) John 14 ; 26;....But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have


said unto you.;... He Also Gave Them The Authority To '' Feed The Sheep '' ( The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel , Judah ) Speaking In Tongues / The Two Edged Sword ;... This Meant For To Go Out And Seek The Children Of The House Of Judah ( Who Had Mixed Their Seed With The Neighboring Tribes Of Canaan And Speak To Them In Their Language . This Was The Gift Of '' Speaking In Other Tongues '' The Two Edged Sword Is Spoken On In Revelation 1 ; 16 ;.... This Two Edged Sword Spoken Of Was Not Literally A Sword . It Is A Gift From Eli ( God ) To Speak In Two Languages , One Being The The Language Of Grace - Aramic , And The '' Other Language '' - The Language Of The People . This Is The Cloven Tongues Of Fire . This Would Be Of The Signs Of The Lamb The One Who Is Sent By Eli ( God ) To Redeem The 1444.000 Revelation 14 ; 1 ;.... He Would Have This


Gift As A Mercy To You The Then Lost But Now Found Sheep , He Will Speak Arabic , Hebrew , Aramaic , Also Read And Translate Hieroglyphics . He Will Teach You Of These Languages AndShow You How They Are All Derivatives Of The Cuneiform . We are The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel . John 14 ; 6 ;....

< Yashua , Isa Jesus Way Is The Way ! You May Use The Hadiths = Word's Of Men Not Of Eli ( God ) The Disciples , Just As You Use Hadith = Word's Of Men Not Of eLI ( God ) Of The Muslims Or The Talmud & The Mishnah Of The So - Callled Jews . They Must Be Verified By The Scripture To Be Classified As Valid . > Mark 7 ; 7 ;.... Obviously , Mark Doresn't Know What He's Talking About . Then It Goes On To Stae The Dsiciples Began Speaking In Other Tongues . Acts 2;4;...... This Is Acceptable Because We Know That Yashua , Isa , Jesus Spoke In Other Tongues , In Order To Reach The '' Lost Sheep '' ( The Tribe Of Judah ) . This Is Why The Bible Has So Many Different Words Recorded In Different Languages , Such As ;...



Eli Eli Lame Sabacthani <> Aramic Matthew 27 ; 46 ;....

Rabboni <> Hebrew John 20 ; 16 ;....

Abbadon <> Greek Revelation 9 ; 11 ;....

Sheth <> Arabic 1Chronicles 1 ; 1 ;....

Yashua , Isa , Jesus Spoke Hebrew , Galilean ( Which Is A Dialect Of Arabic ) Aramaic , Phoenician , The Nazarite Dialect , Etc . Therefore , These Are The Languages The Disciples Spoke To Communicate With The Children Of The Tribe Of Judah . Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Told Them That The Holy Spirit ( Which He Blew On Them ) Would Tell Them What To Say . ( Refer To Matthew 10 ; 19 - 20 ;....

The Holy Spirit Spoke To Many Different People . Each Time It Spoke To Them And Through Them , It Spoke In A Language That Was Very Well OverStood , Just As The Holy Spirit Spoke To Zacharias ( Father Of John The Baptist [ Refer To Koran 3 ; 39 ;.... The Holy Spirit Spoke To Mary ( Mother Of Yashua , Isa . Jesus Koran 3 ; 47 ;.... < The Holy Spirit Spoke To Mary Koran 3 ; 47 In Each Event . The Language Spoke Was Able To Be OverStood By Both The Speaker And Listener . Their Conversations Were Spoke In Clear , Rhythmic , Syriac Arabic , > Pentecostalists On The Other Hand Claim That When The Holy Spirit Comes To You , You Speak In Tongues Glossolalia , Glossolaia Comes From The Greek Word Glossa , Glossolalia , ( Literally Translated As '' Tongue ) The Scientific


Name Given By The Pentecostalists For Speaking In Tongues '' You Claim That The '' Lord '' Is Passing A Message On Through You , I Have No Qualms With This , If The Holy Spirit Is Truly Bestowed Upon You . You May Be Blessed With The Divine Gift Of Speaking In Other Tongues . Yet Pentecostalists Don't Speak In Other Tongues , < Instead , You Fall Out On The Floor And Start Babbling And Muttering , Moaning And Talking Mombo -- Jumbo , Who Can UnderStand This ????

According To Encyclopedia Britannica Glossolalia Is ; The Utterance Of A Language Never Learned By The Speaker ..... Not UnderStood By Him ( The Speaker ) ..... Rarely Comprehended By The Listener ;....

< So I Ask You Again Who UnderStands This < Jargon ? > First , You Have No Scriptural Proof Of Anyone That Was Filled With The Holy Spirit And Spoke In Tongues . Secondly , You Have No Verifcation Of What You Call '' Speaking In Tongues ' You Can't Even Prove It With Paul ( The So - Called Disciple > Or Luke's ( The Gentile ) Recordings .

This Re - Affirms That Speaking In Tongues Is Not Babbling , But Rather Speaking '' By TheWay Of The Tongue '' Within The 12Th Chapter Of 1St Corinthians. Speaking In Tongues Is A Diversified Gift , Consisting Of Nine ( 9 ) Spirits . 1Corinthians 12 ; 4 ;...

( 1 ) . Word Of Wisdom <> 1Corinthian 12 ; 8 ;...

The Word Of Wisdom is the 1st diversity of The Spirit which was given to The Lamb Of Eli ( God ) Your Present Is Not Dead ! It Is Alive With The Greatness And Spiritual Heritage That Dwells Within Your Breasts .

( 2 ) . Word Of Knowledge <> 1Corinthians 12 ; 8 ';...

The Second diversity of Spirit Of Your Knowledge Of Your Heritage .

( 3 ) . Faith By The Same Spirit <> 1Corinthians 12 ; 9

The Third Diversity of Spirit with theknowledge of Yourselves , You Will gain Unshakable Faith In Eli ( God ) Roman 10 ; 17 - 18

( 4 ) Gifts Of Healing By The Same Spirit <> 1Corinthians 12 ; 9

The Power to Heal which is the 4Th Diversity of Spirit . You Will Be - Able To Heal Yourself Of All The Sickness Of The World , Etc

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I spoke in tongues back in my fundie days. I think it's a learned behavior and emotionalism. I spent all night in a prayer chapel back in 1985 praying to receive the baptism of the spirit. I didn't speak in tongues that night though I thought I felt the presence of god very strongly, but I did later on when a friend of mine prayed over me. I uttered some ecstatic gibberish and my friend said, "You got it! Glory!" Well, okay, he didn't say "Glory!" :) I could still speak in tongues if I wanted to, but I never do so, unless I am mocking the practice, as I did in the attached file. Glory!



Nice. I listened to the audio.


Translation: "Kirangel is now the leader of the New World Order (according to the will of God) which will be established within the following decade. Do everything she tells you to do."


Listen, I never wanted that job but I cannot deny the will of God, nor should the rest of you. :wicked:

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There are four thousand christian converts to The Religion of The Pentecostalists everyday ! Do you know why This Religion hold so much attraction for You ? Is It The Music ? Is It The Dancing ?

Is It The Many Capitalized Words ? Is It The Ten Pages of Copy & Pasted Nonsense ?

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Geesh, will someone please shut up! I'm tired of trying to decipher what gibberish is being posted.


Anyway, I spoke in tongues the first year of my life...ba, ba, da, da, mmmmf. Translation: I just did a stinky in my diaper. :wicked:


Actually, I never spoke in tongues. As a catholic we didn't. I can't say that I really understand it. To me it seems to be nonsense and tend to agree with the scientific study someone else posted.

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I was raised Southern Baptist and the "gift of tongues" was thought of as something that pretty much only existed in the early church, and consisted of the Holy Spirit allowing people to speak other languages to witness to people, not a euphoric fit of random babble. So even when I was still a christian I knew these people were nutcases or caught up in mass hysteria.

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There are four thousand christian converts to The Religion of The Pentecostalists everyday ! Do you know why This Religion hold so much attraction for You ? Is It The Music ? Is It The Dancing ?

Is It The Many Capitalized Words ? Is It The Ten Pages of Copy & Pasted Nonsense ?







Can't Deal With The Truth I See

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