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Led A Old Evangelical Buddy Out


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I really did. I sort of can't believe it.

 

When I was in Campus Crusade for Christ back in college I hed several very good friends that I have remained in touch long distance for a long time. When I deconverted this year I sent one of them email talking about it. He told me to not hold anything back and to let him know all my issues. I asked him if he was sure and assured me that he thought he would be able to defend the faith. Well, he couldn't. I started out with the big guns and fed him ALL the Old TEst attrocities and cruelty, and astonishgly that was enough. He was NOT aware of the attrocious details of those scriptures, and admited to having been in total denial about them. After that, he was able to open up to the whole entire idea of discussing how bad the whole thing is. (I.e. Hell, contradictions, the need for to Kill, the meannes of Yahweh beyond just slaughtering, etc)

 

He completely renounced the entire Bible at this point. I tell you, I felt more joy for him then for any person I ever led to Christ.

 

I also feel an intense bond with him. We were Christians together, and we are going to be ex-Christians together. I know, you could think it's too early, he could swing back or something. But it seems the OT attrocities are too much for him. He feels violated by the whole thing in such an intense way that I think he is truly all done with the Biblegod.

 

Anyway I though this was interesting news.

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I'm happy for you, Mick, that you now have a CLOSE friend that you can go through this process with. It's an emotional rollercoaster enough as it is and it's great you guys can now talk openly and honestly together.

 

So, what does your wife think of this? What does his family think of this?

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Wow that is amazing and so good to hear. My xtain friends have rationalized all the OT atrozities in their heads and been brainwashed.

 

Glad you have a friend who is thinking like minded to you.

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HI LIsa,

 

I made the mistake of telling my wife about it. She was very unhappy about it. Stupid move on my part, but it was kind of like me trying to get validation or something.

 

Fortunately my friend's wife is far more open about the whole thing. She already believed that the Bible is not completely innerrant. (She was particularly bothered by the verses that talk about killing everyone EXCEPT for the virgin girls and keeping them for them soldiers) She is a little alarmed by his complete and total rejection.

 

It is amazing how far it ended up going. He is doing more research then me at this point, and on things way beyond the attrocities. He is looking at how stupid the "fullfilled" prophecies are, how silly Josh McDowell's stuff is etc.

 

He gets bummed out sometimes, but mostly because he realizes now that he was in the Matrix. He called me his "Morpheous". (For those of you who know the Matrix)

 

 

 

 

 

I'm happy for you, Mick, that you now have a CLOSE friend that you can go through this process with. It's an emotional rollercoaster enough as it is and it's great you guys can now talk openly and honestly together.

 

So, what does your wife think of this? What does his family think of this?

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Can I have a list of the scriptures you used? I need to add them to my arsenal!

 

This was the initial volly:

 

"I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." (Leviticus 26:22)

 

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man." (Numbers 31:17-18)

 

"The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women" (Ezechial 9:4-6)

 

"When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." (Deuteronomy 20:13-14)

 

"You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." (Deuteronomy 28:53)

 

"The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6)

 

"... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." (Judges 21:10-12)

 

"This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8)

 

"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open." (Hosea 13:16)

 

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work!

A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 48:10)

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Wow thanks for sharing you list Mick...

I need to save this for future referenence. I have been reading a lot of OT attrocities from skepticsbible but your list.. omg I don't know a lot of the OT and this is suppossed to be a loving god...so I guess the whole thou shalt not kill thing is just another one of the double standards and lies that xtianity teaches. :eek:

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He gets bummed out sometimes, but mostly because he realizes now that he was in the Matrix. He called me his "Morpheous". (For those of you who know the Matrix)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What an appropriate analogy. I'm so glad you have someone with you now that you can share with. Maybe your wife will come around too, eventually. :)

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