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I cheated with a married man, and while I too believe that it takes two to tango, when she walked in and I just got through blowing her husband, I could barely look at her.

 

It's not something I could do again, and I think it does have a lot to do with character.

 

When I managed a retail establishment, I can't tell you the number of gals that were married and miserable that wanted to hook up with me! I told them, and they knew that I only did the fellas, and that didn't stop them. They said I was so nice, and I listened to them.... I told them they needed to talk with their husbands and see to it that they listen.

 

Please understand that my examples were women, because that was my experience, because men do cheat.

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I live in ukraine. No doubt I smell holy horse all over the place..Most of these folk will put me down for my sex life while they all have problems in other areas..Most here putting me down are probally addicted to internet porn and such..but god help me if I sleep with a married women :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Also Western Men have become extreemly feminized!!!!

 

I agree with Leaf, a good deal of western men are pussified and sterilized, esp. Christian men. What you said about Christian women is true...I've had more of them try to get me in bed, or anywhere else, than I can count, esp. married ones. Especially them! I don't agree with banging married chicks. I've been tempted more than a few times though where I almost gave in. I think ultimately it's cheap and cruel, even *if* she wants it! Why did you marry Mr. Boring? Your fault, lady! I've found women marry duds often because they are considered "safe" bets (they have steady income, and are 'nice' guys).

 

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Look told you all about 15 post ago I am not here to prove myself.I posted this topic for the purpose to show that Christian women screw around also..Then I srart getting name calling thrown at me etc....I for one really dont like wasteing my time in Thunderdome debates.

An Antlerman..I really dont agree with your set of morals and ideas...So maybe post those on some site where someone may agree..I don't.You talk about human basic values..Who defines those JESUS? I dont believe in him So maybe my values come from the Greek Gods who loved to fuck around and sleep around.

Anyway you all that like to come down on me ask yourself if your any better? Most of you would do the same thing if you could! If Angelia Jolli "who is married to Brad Pitt' would willing lhave love..most of you would fall in a second! So spare me the BS! Some of you remind me of Catholic Preist...preaching holy stuff and secretly reading porn and doing secret stuff...

I for one like women and the women I make love with..if married, single or whatever choise to make love with me also! So nuff said.

 

That, and Leaf is more of a jackass than I, for even though neither of us would have any moral qualms bedding a hottie who happens to be Xian, he's rude towards other board members, almost like a child throwing a tantrum when he's not the center of attention.

I'm rude..i wanst the one who started the Thunderdome..it was a few Jelious posters who did. And go read your post holy Joe.

Also dont really care if you think I am real or not.For One the Admin here can do a ISP search and tell you I am from UA.

Anyway like I said post 1 here. I am a player..I know how attraction works..I know love tactics, how to seduce..I am a nice looking man..clean cut..smell great I am what the women want.I enjoy women..And it is half the reason I live..and half the reason I pusue employment..Hell without women I for would really care allot less about please men..I could live in a 1 bedroom apt and drive a 1979 Honda civic..NO its women..its why we men work hard..buy nice homes etc..to please themMy life is quit fullfilled and happy and I found haveing various women in my life makes it the more great..like a man who has many kids..He can love them all the same..and the more he has the happier the man can be.

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"fat chick." Wow, Leaf...I feel sorry for any of the women you purportedly hang out with if they so much as gain a little bit of weight.

 

Do "players" always have to be so cruel and shallow?

 

-Seth

Yup! I dont like fat women.I wont date them or sleep with them..Each man his own. A little weight I can let slide..but once they start hitting chubby we can talk or she take a hike. The world is packed full of thin nice women..i dont like to waste my time with chubby or obese women..I'll leave them for teh Beta males :wicked:

She can speak Ukrainian and english fluently, is an Ontario scholar, and made the honour roll in College. She is quite a wonderful package; on a scale of 1-10, I give her an 11.
I can agree with a point.Ukraian women are nice and feminine and great to be around!

Speaking of which, where is the picture of you, Don Juan? Are you afraid? Not that it would matter, because your personality stinks. My guess is you're as ugly looking as you behave.
Speaking of which, where is the picture of you, Don Juan? Are you afraid?

I am a slight bit under 6' and weight 170lbs This is me athe Boston library in Oct while I was visiting Boston. I'll post some other pics but The uploading isnt working very good.

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... An Antlerman..I really dont agree with your set of morals and ideas...So maybe post those on some site where someone may agree....

 

From the number of comments that expressed similar sentiments to Antlerman's, I'd say he did.

 

Look, no one here is capable of changing you; no one is advocating laws against adultery or liars, so there's no need to assume a wounded air as if anyone here is doing anything to interfere with your life. It's just that many of us value honesty and commitment and realize that you don't really know what you're talking about when you make such statements as that love lasts 5 years max (my parents had a good, faithful marriage for 64 years until my father died; my own relationship is going strong after 17 years). In other words, we're simply expressing our opinions. So, if you don't want to hear opinions that differ from your own, you might want to stay away from Internet forums altogether.

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I think it's time to bring this into perspective, after discussing this with my very insightful wife.

 

The Ukraine is a very depressed region of the world. It is an extremely poor country. Quite often, my wife and her family send packages containing clothes and money to their family back in the Ukraine to help out their family that live there. While we are considered middle class by North American standards, the people in the Ukraine see us as being abundantly rich and wealthy. In their eyes, our bungalows are mansions; our Dodges and Pontiacs are Jaguars and Ferraris. Twenty dollars might as well be twenty thousand dollars. If you've never been poor, you don't know what it's like to be them. They want so desperately to be even a little like us; to escape their depression even if just for a day. Leaf pointed out casually that they do not have machines to wash their clothes and dishes, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. They have NOTHING. Most do not even own a car. Most do not even have a bedroom to call their own. Therefore, they believe to be like us is to live in Eutopia.

 

Now, consider Leaf. Leaf obviously has access to money, as he is capable of travelling to the United States. Most in the Ukraine don't have the means to leave their own village! Along comes Leaf, a man who has travelled to America, wearing his business-like shirt and blazer. To these women of the Ukraine, he is Daddy Warbucks. Quite literally, in fact. He makes it obvious that he is so wealthy, he can give money to the orphanage so that little orphan Annie can get a new red dress. He teaches english at a school, which serves to raise his profile. In North America, he's another joe nobody...but in the Ukraine, he is Mr. Big. A worldly, wealthy young man in the eyes of the pretty yet impoverished women of the Ukraine.

 

Leaf doesn't have his way with these women because he's some Don Juan. It's not his looks, nor is it his prowess between the sheets. No, these women are attracted to Leaf for the same reason women in impoverished countries around the world are attracted to overweight, hairy North American men: He's got money, and they think if they can please him, then perhaps one day he will want to marry them and take them away from their impoverished life. They tell him what he wants to hear, using the only thing in this world they have of value; their sexuality. They tell him he's the best they ever had, because they know that's what he wants to hear. They accept that he sleeps around with other women, because they really have no other choice in the matter. The result is an obviously over-inflated ego that is easily bruised for Leaf, and the women are never truly happy; possibly driven deeper into depression. Just look at the pictures of these women. Not a single genuine smile. They force themselves to smile, just as they force themselves to pretend that Leaf is Don Juan.

 

Any one of us can live as Leaf has. Most of us choose not to, because we have a conscience that keeps us from taking advantage of people less fortunate than us. Clearly, Leaf has no such conscience. Ultimately, it will be his undoing. He's too naive to see it now, but some of us here can see the inevitable misery Leaf will bring upon himself. Some might call it Karma, but I do not believe in such things. It's simply human nature. Leaf thinks he has everyone else figured out, but he has left himself so shallow, he is transparent, so I say these words with the utmost confidence.

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An Antlerman..I really dont agree with your set of morals and ideas...So maybe post those on some site where someone may agree..I don't.You talk about human basic values..Who defines those JESUS? I dont believe in him So maybe my values come from the Greek Gods who loved to fuck around and sleep around.

I actually am posting somewhere where I’m quite well at home. I think I’m at over 2000 posts so far, and as far as I believe, I’m a fairly well respected member here by the rest of the ExC membership.

 

Who defines basic human values? Easy answer: Humans. Why would “Jesus” define it for us? If you want to consider the “Jesus” figure as some “authority”, then you could look at it as the human creation of human values in the figure of a “god” character. But I think that might possibly be a too difficult concept to understand for some. So we can just leave at this, humans create god in their own image.

 

As far as your example of the Greek gods defining ethical behavior for you, let’s consider that. Speaking as a Secular Humanist (which I would define myself as, along with hint of Atheistic Existentialism), that system of morality works in a society where everyone participates in it. In our society however, what you do is a violation of trust. It is considered unethical. Our society establishes relationships on trust. And again, had you bothered to read what I actually said – if there is an agreement in a marriage that sexual relations outside the marriage are acceptable, then it is OK. There is no violation of trust. What you are participating in IS a violation of trust.

 

Do you think being an atheist means having no morality? I don’t.

 

The difference between Christians and atheists is that an atheist such as myself does not believe that “social standards of conduct” come from an outside authority. They are defined by society. BUT THEY EXIST, because we create them and live by them. I believe that rules exist for good reasons, and bad or outdate rules need to evolve. The Christian however will not allow for rules to change with changing humans.

 

Again, your infidelities are not just about you and a consenting adult. There is a trust relationship present between two people that you are putting yourself into. Technically, I would not say this is “consensual sex”, but more along the lines of “complicitous sex”. If you are unaware they are married (which happened to me once), then you are not being unethical. If you are aware, then you are being complicitous, and I consider that immoral.

 

The fact that you immediately swipe away me by assuming I am some sort of Christian, should tell you something. However, let’s see you deal with the actual substance of what I have to say, if that is at all possible for you?

 

Anyway you all that like to come down on me ask yourself if your any better? Most of you would do the same thing if you could! If Angelia Jolli "who is married to Brad Pitt' would willing lhave love..most of you would fall in a second! So spare me the BS! Some of you remind me of Catholic Preist...preaching holy stuff and secretly reading porn and doing secret stuff...

I for one like women and the women I make love with..if married, single or whatever choise to make love with me also! So nuff said.

No, I would not do what you do. I’m not talking about sex. I’m talking about TRUST. Your lusts drive your ethics into the abyss of self indulgence. You are not a trustworthy person. You violate acceptable society standards because of your greed.

 

Again, I am an atheist. I am a humanist. Why am I so strong minded about issues of trust? Because, I am a humanist which means we need to work together – not for our own dicks. In fact, your self-justifications and rationalizations sound to me about as close to a hypocritical Christian as you could get. I reject them for the same reasons I reject you.

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First Ive had more American women then UA women! Anyway I love it here and teh culture here..I think by people being a bit less poor they have more soul and spirit America is shallow.I have so many friends and it is great to just pop in and visit anytime..Materialism is not what I live for.Their is MUCH more to life! I have discovered in life happines sis not material! I HAVE enough...I have many comfort, basics and luxturies! By not having a automatic washer it doesnt add anymore happiness to my life..nor to peoples..yeah a bit more comfort..thats all.Also UA has such a rich culture.

here is a great video someone did up on You Tube compairing UA-America..take a look

I have read the Art ofg War.I was in teh USA Army for 10 years.Thanks for the comments burnedout.I agree with your asestments

Antlerman,Well we can ask they as to why Humans define moral..Western Civ has definded these due to the plaugue of Christanity of which my people were FORCED to accept "I am part German and French"Most of your laws in the West have a Christian base to them..and morals taught for teh most fart are Judeo-Christian...I am a historian I teach history part time in Ukraine. I challenge you to read about European people and their morals Mainlty the Goths, The Visogoths and the Vandels..go read about the time of 400-900 AD...Pre Bull Shit Christian age..Read about their morals..read about the ave man in the culture who i define as a traditional male..non-feminized.

Alderman your morals are comming from modernism with a little dash of Christanity and Feminism.

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Leaf, if what you say is true, then why is it that a lot of mail-order brides come from the Ukraine? The women there are not as content as you would have us believe, when they're effectively selling themselves to escape poverty. The pictures in that video of churches and buildings were built in better times; nothing even close to that is being built there today. Indeed, much of the Ukraine now lays in rot and decay. No wonder so many there wish for a return of communism. No wonder the beautiful women there are willing to forever be wed to whatever smelly, hairy, fat American can afford to bring her over, sight unseen. You might as well be shooting fish in a barrel.

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Alderman your morals are comming from modernism with a little dash of Christanity and Feminism.

Really? Could you attempt to define "modernism" to me, and apply it to ethics? I'm not sure how feminism has anything to do with it however.

 

One more thing: even if what you say has any substance behind it, so what? You're not dealing with the issues of what I am saying. You think lableing me a "modernist" somehow reduces the value of what I say? Nope, you are attempting to deflect looking at why you are responsible for your actions by sterotyping someoone. Can't deal with the subjstance of it, can you?

 

How is human trust an issue of the modern world? Trust is as a basic to human society as you can possibly get. How am I wrong on this? Please attempt at least to address how trust is a "modern" or "feminist", or "Christian" issue? You can't without appearing a fool.

 

So exactly how am I Christian in your diversionary tactic in calling me one? What would you define yourself philosophically as? Franky, with you I see no substance, no philosophy of humanity. All I see is your dick needing afirmation and defining the entire substance of who you are, with no thought deeper than "me".

 

I don't expect you to be able to deal with these points. I don't think you're capable.

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How is human trust an issue of the modern world? Trust is as a basic to human society as you can possibly get. How am I wrong on this? Please attempt at least to address how trust is a "modern" or "feminist", or "Christian" issue?

In case you missed it Leaf, I just wanted point out that what Antlerman is saying here is right on target in my opinion.

 

I would be interested in what a self proclaimed alpha male has to say about this.

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Well, now that I have my knee high deep boots on for the obvious shit being spewed...

 

1. I agree, it takes two to tango and unless Leaf is raping women, they are responsible for their adultery.

 

2. I notice, Leaf, that your *wife* is missing a wedding ring or do they not wear rings in the Ukraine? Not that it matters as I have a hard time believing anything that you've posted.

 

If people are married and their partner knows that they want to screw around then I don't see it as wrong. However, if one partner is in the dark then it is a lie. If the partner has a trust in you that they are the only one, then the one having affairs is a liar, not only that one having the affair is putting their partner UNWITTINGLY at risk for STD's. Afterall, nothing guarantees 100% safety. The partner being cheated on has a right to know that they are being cheated on so that they can have a choice. If one doesn't inform their partner that they are having sex with others they are an utter and complete coward who has stripped their partner of the fundamental human right to have a choice. If children are being deceived...the even bigger piece of shit the one fucking around is.

 

And, for what its worth; I'm a soon to be 37, happily married wife of almost 15 years and mother of two great children. My husband and I have an awesome and trusting relationship, we desire no other people and our sex life is very hot. Who'd of thought that after being married so long (we started dating in 91') that we'd be having more sex now than when we first got together.

 

3. If screwing upteen women a week makes you happy then all the more power to you...however, during my life time it has been my experience that people who brag a ton...tend to be *stretching* the truth just a :close:

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From everything I've read on this thread thus far, the evidence seems to point towards Leaf being polyamorous. Like polygamy, being polyamorous involves multiple partners, though not in the sense of marriage. Polyamorous is having multiple relationships. One might also call this being a "player". Call it what you will, it simply means that Leaf has no respect for himself nor for the women he is engaging in these relationships with.

 

Oh, sure, Leaf will outright deny the lack of respect. Most narcissist do. To admit that there is something wrong with the way he views and treats women would be to admit inferiority. And such an admittance is death to a narcissist.

 

From what I have read, I can gather that Leaf did not have a nourishing relationship with his mother. All of the symptoms are there. It's like how I have an oral fixation. I wasn't breastfed as a child, so now I chew things constantly. I grew up in a household where the relative peace of reading, playing videogames, watching TV, or writing and drawing could be shattered in a moment by my father's drunken rampages. As such, I fidget and twitch, and am one of the fastest, if not THE fastest, worker in the assembly line plant where I work. I am also currently writing a fantasy novel, and the bad memories have given me more than a little fuel for the fires on the pages.

 

The point is, the symptoms are there. I use mine own to illustrate that there is cause and effect at work, and there is no doubt cause and effect at work in Leaf's life.

 

I wanted to search the thread for the instances of the word "mother," but it seems the Search function is disabled. Nonetheless, using the ctrl+f function and searching within each page, I did the same thing. Not one instance of Leaf talking about his mother. He DID call DigitalQuirk an "ugly motherfucker . . ." Which is interesting. I think DigiQuirk is quite handsome. In mine own tongue, I would say, that I would tap that. In the most platonic way possible, of course.

 

People suffering from narcissistic personality disorder often protray traits like this. They speak highly of themselves, in Leaf's case using terms like "player" or "Alpha male," terms that, in their presuppositional favorability, supposedly attribute advanced characteristics. As if his abuse of women and himself is somehow a good thing. No matter what we throw at him, he will always turn it around so that it seems like a good thing.

 

At least, of course, to himself.

 

I know I talk about NPD a lot, and there's a reason for it. When I was competing in bodybuilding, I ran into more than few cases of NPD, and I had a friend that suffers from it. This had a serious impact on my worldview. In my studies of NPD, I've found that we are ALL a little narcissitic. It exists in every person, because of it didn't, the human race would not long endure. There would be suicides left and right over the tiniest slight or assault on one's character. But like all things human, these things can be thrown out of whack by varying degrees. For Leaf, there is obviously an excess of the narcissitic tendency.

 

And from whence it stems, I do not know. It is clearly a low self image, prompting him to speak of himself in terms he sees as favorable, and listing achievemtns such as donating and teaching. Of course, we all do that. But even in his first post, Leaf seems more interested in listing his "achievements" than the flaws of Christian women and their repressed sexuality.

 

What was your relationship with your mother like, Leaf? Did you even have one? Were you taught to respect her? To cherish her? Did she do the same for you?

 

And, barring that, did you get much attention as a child?

 

Maybe you'll claim you had a perfectly normal childhood. Maybe you did, and maybe that's the problem. Maybe you were never taught of repurcussions, or "shame" as Hank Hill would call it. I don't know. All I can say with any certainty is, based on the descriptions you have provided of yourself and your activities here, you are clearly suffering from Narcissitic Personality Disorder. The symptoms seem to be overly sexual, which leads me to wonder what your sexual development was like. Were you abused sexually? Were you molested as a child, by people in the church? the behavior you speak of is not healthy, Leaf. It's why you have prompted such negative reactions from people on this board that are otherwise healthy individuals.

 

You're sick. In that, I agree with them. But I like to look beyond the shield you hold in front of yourself, past the armor and past the chainmail, all the way to that opening beneath your gorget where an assassin's blade can pass into like mist over a field in the morning. There's something depeer at work here.

 

It's evidenced by the fact that, even though you claim to love women, or to at least "enjoy" them, feminism is a joke to you. Such a joke, in fact, that you completely unaware, either by willful ignorance or outright denial, of the 180 degree turnaround that has taken over modern feminism. Read "Hating Women" by Rabbi Schmuley Boteach (sp?). In it, he discusses the fall of feminism and the sweeping in of the vultures of modern feminism, in which women are now undertaking the quest to be "one of the guys" instead of men's equals. I think that has a lot to do with your "success" with women.

 

In any case, the truth needs to be said here. There's clearly something wrong with you on a psychological level, perhaps even a chemical one, Leaf. without an analysis from a psychiatrist, we can't be entirely sure. If the whole point of your ranting was to say that repressed people act out in destructive ways, then I agree with you. That does not seem to be the case; it seems to me that you really want attention. And you got it. And you'll keep coming back so long as you GET attention.

 

So to my fellow posters here . . . ignore this buffoon. Please. He's NOT going to get any better.

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They have NOTHING. Most do not even own a car. Most do not even have a bedroom to call their own. Therefore, they believe to be like us is to live in Eutopia.

 

Ok, I just did a very unscientific poll, but please allow me to share the results anyway.

 

I asked my wife and a group of her single friends to give me their opinion on several questions:

 

Assumption #1: There is an American man and a Russian man; both have the same looks and the same "game." Which one would you sleep with?

 

Answer: The Russian

 

Assumption #2: There is an American man and a Russian man; both have the same looks, same "game," but the Russian man makes $500/month and the American makes $3,000. Which one would you sleep with?

 

Answer: The American, but he only gains a 30% advantage because he is probably stupid (thier response, not mine).

 

Edit: I misunderstood. They said that only 30% of the girls here would give the American the advantage here. The other 70% would rather be with a Russian.

 

Bottom line: I can't answer for Ukraine, but here in Russia your point is somewhat valid, but probably vastly overstated. Unscientifically of course.

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They tell him what he wants to hear, using the only thing in this world they have of value; their sexuality.

 

While this is probably true of poor women in Ukrainian villages, I seriously doubt that it applies to those living in Kiev. Having lived in Russia for 2 1/2 years, I find the statement somewhat offensive (though I understand that you don't have experience over here and don't hold that against you). They probably have more disposable income than you imagine that they do and comparing their economy to the West is comparing apples to oranges. They are not for the most part living in the dire straights that most Americans probably imagine they are. In other words, they do in fact have a lot more to offer than their sexuality. But I might also add that the sexuality that they do have to offer is quite amazing and something really to be beheld. Those who haven't traveled to this side of the world probably don't have the background to really get that.

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I so agree with Trancelation. It takes courage to open your personality to another human being. It takes courage to be vulnerable, to let a person know you so well they have to power to hurt you beyond measure. Leaf considers courage a feminine trait, and men who have laid themselves bare to the woman they love, trusting them with who they are, is somehow not masculine.

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Thank you for that analysis Trancelation. It compelled me to look a little deeper into the subject of narcissism and I think you may be on to something.

 

When I asked Leaf how he would feel if his woman cheated on him he didn't really answer the question. He said merely that it had happened and that was life, but he never expressed how he felt about it.

 

So at least two things are vivid to me in this thread: emotion and trust.

 

Leaf you may want to look into the fate of the narcissist. It's generally not a pretty picture.

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An Antlerman..I really dont agree with your set of morals and ideas...So maybe post those on some site where someone may agree..

 

Leaf, you are probably the only one here who disagrees with the morals Antlerman posted. I agree that Nivek was right when he told people to stop calling you names. That was the last post I read last night. Just now I caught up on the thread. Now that people are speaking to you as an equal your immaturity becomes glaringly obvious. I looked at your photo more than I normally look at photos. Why? Because I am unsure what it is that the women see in you re looks.

 

Of course, culture plays into the situation. However, your hair is too short and too light for a guy your shape and size. Also, your body language indicates that you feel very unsure of yourself, not at all confident. There are very many people like that in this world, and they normally attract each other like magnets. However, the attraction normally turns negative when the newness wears off. The attraction persists but it's just as strongly negative as it was positive at first.

 

Even for those of us who think we are above marrying for money, money does speak. When it comes down to brass tacks or harsh reality, we need a roof over our heads and clothes on our backs and food in our stomachs. A man with money is more likely to be able to provide these than a man without money.

 

I found haveing various women in my life makes it the more great..like a man who has many kids..He can love them all the same..and the more he has the happier the man can be.

 

Leaf, from a woman's perspective there is something seriously wrong with that statement. I expected someone to address it but since they didnt, I will. Kids are one thing. A spouse is another. If you like your women like a father loves his brood of off-spring--one's as good as the other--that is extremely elitist. There is nothing equal about such a relationship. But if you're in it only for the sex, have fun. Just don't hurt anyone.

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Interesting points raised by Trancelation... though I might offer a distinction between players and truly polyamorous folks. Which is honesty.

 

Every poly individual, couple, or group I've ever met has been honest to a fault about how they handle relationships. Said honesty is born of a deep respect for whomever they might wish to become involved with. Arrangements are open, with clear boundaries, and a realistic sense of the nature of each relationship with each partner (at least as much as possible).

 

I suppose one could make the argument that playing is a subcategory of polyamory (technically), but players are inherently dishonest and deceptive. There is a superficial lip service given to "respect", but there is no real substance to it, as evidenced by a willingness to cheat or engage in adultery (coupled, also, with the already-mentioned need to insult, degrade, and belittle everyone who doesn't share their lifestyle or beliefs, or who calls them on their dishonesty).

 

It isn't open relationships I have any problem with. The honesty is there, providing every adult involved with all the information they need to understand whether or not they can actually be involved in a relationship like that, and make a fully informed choice about whether to participate or not. Cheating relationships, on the other hand, leave at least one party in the dark about what's going on, and, consequently, without a choice about how to handle the situation. Antlerman's words about trust sum up very nicely why this is a Bad Idea™.

 

Nonetheless, there are no laws against adultery or cheating, so while it might be morally reprehensible, it isn't illegal; and I suppose that any consenting adults involved in either one are big boys and girls - they can take any results that might arise from their cheating like the adults they are. That might mean unwanted pregnancies, it might mean the collapse of their families, the alienation of their children, or - heaven forbid! - being caught by an enraged spouse and taking a bullet to the head - but hey. The OP and his partners are grownups. They can put on their big boy panties and deal with it.

 

What I wish is that they could also take the criticism of their behavior in an adult manner, with dignity and civility, instead of resorting to insult and abuse. But then, I suppose that's all tied in with the overall lack of respect players have for any other human being on the planet.

 

Hey, on a tangent, by the way - what is with this stuff about "feminizing" men and the slams on feminism in general? What the hell are you guys talking about? ("What are they teaching kids in school these days??")

 

Seriously, here. I want to know exactly what y'all mean by the "feminization" of men, and what your understanding of "feminism" is, because I'll bet it isn't the same as mine, and I'm a bit puzzled.

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Seriously, here. I want to know exactly what y'all mean by the "feminization" of men, and what your understanding of "feminism" is, because I'll bet it isn't the same as mine, and I'm a bit puzzled.

I've heard some say that the aims of feminism are as much to emasculate men as they are to liberate women.

 

It might be a topic worthy of it's own thread Gwenmead.

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Seriously, here. I want to know exactly what y'all mean by the "feminization" of men, and what your understanding of "feminism" is, because I'll bet it isn't the same as mine, and I'm a bit puzzled.

I've heard some say that the aims of feminism are as much to emasculate men as they are to liberate women.

 

It might be a topic worthy of it's own thread Gwenmead.

 

Good call. Maybe I'll get on that.

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Seriously, here. I want to know exactly what y'all mean by the "feminization" of men, and what your understanding of "feminism" is, because I'll bet it isn't the same as mine, and I'm a bit puzzled.

 

I think he's probably referring to guys that actually let a woman have a say in a relationship, guys that can actually care about what the lady wants, or even guys that respect her feelings as equally valid.

 

Since I'd been brought up with that kind of framework, I believe he means guys like me. If that means I'm a "feminized" man, guilty as charged.

 

-Seth

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Hey, on a tangent, by the way - what is with this stuff about "feminizing" men and the slams on feminism in general? What the hell are you guys talking about? ("What are they teaching kids in school these days??")

 

Seriously, here. I want to know exactly what y'all mean by the "feminization" of men, and what your understanding of "feminism" is, because I'll bet it isn't the same as mine, and I'm a bit puzzled.

 

Yeah I'd like to second the request because I don't come across too many men that could be considered feminists.

 

Although I'm betting that what the deangelo clone is saying is that american men are feminine, not feminists. Also, at this point it's clear that what he calls an alpha male would be considered a mouth breathing pussy hound in America. When men feel they lack a characteristic that women can easily identify as manly they'll usually try to bully other men to compensate. Of course, there are some women in the world who "like zhe strong man" and will flock to his side. It's a great way to dupe women into leaving the club and heading home for a little drunken flab slapping. Not good at much more though.

 

And I agree with Quirk's woman. These Ukranian chicks look like they're wearing depressing face masks. Even though they live in the big city, with almost 30% of the population living below the poverty line, there's a good change this closet geek is picking up some poor fuckin women.

 

Leaf, everything about you is slimey. However, it's not because you're rotten to the core. Good for you, you've taken on a whole new identity to mask the dork who wasn't getting laid. That's usually why people seek help from david deangelo. Your game is shit though, if you can't win people over on this board, how the hell do you expect us to believe you're banging women because you've got smoove moves? Try your tired bullshit in America, I'm pretty fuckin sure it won't work.

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Wow. I just read through the whole thread. My thoughts on this are that if a person wants to have sex with another person, it should be up to those two people. And if one of them is married, it's up to the married person whether or not to tell their spouse about the affair. If Leaf is happy with his life then I don't think he should change. If he's not, he will change. He's not hurting anybody. The husband? No, the wife is the one doing that. If she wasn't having sex with him, she'd be having sex with someone else. Are you going to yell at every single person who sleeps with another person's spouse? If so, you're in for years of yelling.

 

Oh, and Leaf, you don't have to be good-looking to get a hot chick. Read this story about a man who was as far down on the looks and social scale as you can get but scored a really hot chick by the end of the night.

 

The Iranian from Hell

 

And before anyone gets any ideas about me, I'm not a player and I probably never will be.

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