I Am Somewhat Atheist

[Guest AriFeannor]

I do believe in cause against organized religion, but I also hope there is a loving God. Anybody thing this is wrong? I am a little intoxicated right now. I just feel alone because alcohol brings out the truth, I just want too see the responses of why it is wrong and right to hope for a meaning. Everyone likes the fact to be a suicidal righteous soldier for God. ''To die for God is the greatest thing to do, to believe in him when others deny it against the armies''.... Not a quote from anyone, just how I though of it brought up from my mother in a Jehovah's witness congregation. I always dreamed of being asked in Armageddon's time by soldiers against God do you believe in God with a gun pointed towards me and when I was a kid I always answered yes and closed my eyes. Probably the same the thought that goes through many Muslim kid minds at this day in age. I know the thoughts of different Gods' is wrong. But I mean the thought that God(if he exists) is there and all these crusades in his name was not caused by him but by beliefs and the thought that ''I cant be wrong'' by humans caused it. I am 19 in Ohio of the US indoctrinated but still 'democracy' nation. I see a lot of wrong and it saddens me too the point of suicide. To me I cannot live once lived by purpose then have it dragged away by my own thoughts that this world is not led by God but by armies of right and wrong by different moralities created by free thought/government. Living with no purpose is as bad as stepping on the creatures on accident and killing them, knowing that was it for them, they are gone and that is it. Created by self replicating DNA through genes passed down through survival for no purpose just to be the dominating factor. Kind of explains in the love of sports which I do not enjoy either. I know there is no purpose what so ever just to do as you please, and I as I try to still live in good nature thinking that I do know right from wrong. I still find my self yearning to do the opposite. Fight against those who so willingly killed others in their faith and me wanting to return the same tactic for my own morals. I know this common human 'idiot' ology to fight for ones own 'sync' analities, its genetics trying to equal out. But again on topic, do you think it is right to believe in God although in vain for hope and the ability to live without fear and emptiness, or do you expect me or others like me to somehow overcome and live knowing there is not a tomorrow to ever glance at life and somehow live a life even more without purpose. I know there is no happiness either way for me. I am a man with no confidence and some physical disabilities if you would call them that(too embarrassed to say at this age). Even if God was real, the main factor that drives humans is the sex drive and we all know that there is no need for that in the afterlife is one so exists.

[Dave]

I do believe in cause against organized religion, but I also hope there is a loving God. Anybody thing this is wrong?

Yes. You cannot be "somewhat Atheist." That's like being a little bit pregnant.

I am a little intoxicated right now. I just feel alone because alcohol brings out the truth, I just want too see the responses of why it is wrong and right to hope for a meaning.

In vino veritas. After dealing with alcoholics for many years, I find that not to be true. Alcohol just makes it easier to lie to cover up what the person doesn't want to deal with.

Everyone likes the fact to be a suicidal righteous soldier for God. ''To die for God is the greatest thing to do, to believe in him when others deny it against the armies''....

Not everyone thinks that's the greatest thing to do. Many of us think it would be the most stupid thing one can do. Why die for a god that doesn't exist?

Living with no purpose is as bad as stepping on the creatures on accident and killing them, knowing that was it for them, they are gone and that is it.....

You don't need a god to have a purpose.

[Lycorth]

Yes, what's wrong with just enjoying life? There's no need to be a fucking crusader for a "righteous cause" to have a fulfilling existence.

[Guest AriFeannor]

Not everyone thinks that's the greatest thing to do. Many of us think it would be the most stupid thing one can do. Why die for a god that doesn't exist?

 

I am saying if you believe he did exist, you know your father exists. Say your father(eliminate the truth whether he was good or bad) was leading a war, would you die for him? You believe that there is no God, I am saying what if there was. Just because you are some thing I totally am not doesn't make that comment count. That is like telling a dog why walk on 4 legs when you can walk on two(minus some dogs who can do that for tricks).

 

For me, alcohol does. It lets be free to talk, I still dare not in front of my mother, but here, I can not be thrown to the lions.

 

What other purpose is there? Besides have kids and have fun. Which I do not want kids and having fun is as difficult as it is to become the opposing extremist.

[Legion]

Welcome to the forums Ari.

 

There is a guy here that goes by the moniker of Antlerman. I think he puts what you may be going through very well. He calls it looking into the void. I suspect that many ex-Christians have had such encounters with the void. Maybe right now life strikes you as being absurd. I think you shouldn't be afraid. You are young yet. You are at an age where it might be appropriate to be struggling with what your purpose may be.

 

But I cannot tell you what it is. I heard a Taoist say that the goal of every human life is to die with as little regret as possible. If you were to die tomorrow what will you feel regret over? Perhaps this can act as your guide.

 

I hope that you will find patience for yourself Ari. Again welcome. Stick around. These are some decent folks here.

[Mythra]

Hey arifeannor. Welcome to ex-c.

 

Sounds like you're not sure which way is up right now. No sweat. We've all been there too.

 

Lots of us here have grown out of the need for a god (or gods) to give life meaning. What meaning is there in being a religionist, anyway? Live a life of slavish obedience in order to reap promised treasures in an afterlife filled with non-stop praise for some egomaniacal diety. Even if it were true (which it isn't) - where's the deep meaning in that?

 

There's no glory in being a martyr for nonsense.

 

Life is what you make it. For many of us, life became much more precious once we realized this is it. Our one shot at living. Our brief moment in the sun.

 

Enjoy it. No one gets to attend their own cessation-of-neural-activity gathering.

 

Oh, and Dave is right. You can't be somewhat atheist.

[Guest AriFeannor]

Well I also do agree with what you are saying. Had before. But the same thing still frightens me, living just for that long shot. I know there is nothing to being a martyr, just trying to show insight for my thought when I was 6 in the religion. As I said I just don't see a good life either way. It is probably something that none of you can help me with, only myself. Until I answer natures(gods) call and fornicate and find my mate I can be with right. I don't see the life in producing more humans, nor the good and just finding different mates to please my hormonal senses. I think God is the answer for the mathematically inclined persons of lower stature of mentality to find reason even though I think some mathematicians will agree numbers don't always agree with each other. For me, reason is everything, its how I live my life, my reason for living is so my parents will not cry, my reason for working is so I can pay for my car insurances so I can go to work and tell my parents in the act of working that I am ok. I know I am sounding like a person who needs an answer, I am , but I also know that know one can give it too me, only a religious recruiter would seek my approval of his kinship in thought. I read these forums before, just first time I posted. I know some are right to the point, and may seem mean, but what can you say, being a person who feels hes been asked this question to many times. Straight to the point and you cannot fail some say. I fear that we humans will never be straight, as soon as we conquer religion, atheist's will be fighting over what type of God not to believe in.

[leftofpunk]

I fear that we humans will never be straight, as soon as we conquer religion, atheist's will be fighting over what type of God not to believe in.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Atheists don't have a god belief therefore no arguing over "what god to not believe in". I'm sure we'd argue over something, but not that. Maybe we'll settle the "herb or erb" argument.

[Mike D]

I do believe in cause against organized religion, but I also hope there is a loving God.

It sounds like you might be leaning more towards deism than atheism. I think personally I was a Christian nihilist (kind of like I believed in god but everything still seemed pointless and absurd anyway), so I am not sure just believing in god works for everyone as far as giving them "hope". It didn't for me.

[Dave]

I am saying if you believe he did exist, you know your father exists. Say your father(eliminate the truth whether he was good or bad) was leading a war, would you die for him?

No. My father existed, gods do not. Pretending won't change anything

You believe that there is no God, I am saying what if there was.

I'm saying playing make believe doesn't change reality. You can come up with a billion "what if" arguments and none of them would have anything to do with reality.

Just because you are some thing I totally am not doesn't make that comment count. That is like telling a dog why walk on 4 legs when you can walk on two(minus some dogs who can do that for tricks).

That makes absolutely no sense.

For me, alcohol does. It lets be free to talk....

It may let you talk free, but what you are saying makes no sense. The first thing the alcohol turns off is the rational, thinking, parts of the brain. When you get sober, come back and read what you wrote and see if it makes sense to you.

[Guest AriFeannor]

btw Im a idiot lol I I have thoughts with not much knowledge. I live my life with cigs and wihskey and Marilyn manson, helps me live day to day. I am wrong in most ways. I was just making a dumb point saying no matter what we wil always have somthin to fight over. As Lincoln said, better to be thought an moron instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I quote I live by without following if that makes any sense.

[Legion]

I'm sure we'd argue over something, but not that. Maybe we'll settle the "herb or erb" argument.

It's spelled h-e-r-b and pronounced urb. Anyone who disagrees with me is WRONG!

[Mythra]

I fear that we humans will never be straight, as soon as we conquer religion, atheist's will be fighting over what type of God not to believe in.

 

We won't conquer religion. Ever. Not as long as people need to cling to the hope of living forever.

 

Youth is a confusing time. It was for all of us. But, trust me - in a few years you'll laugh about some of the shit that seems worrisome and heavy at this point in your life.

[leftofpunk]

I'm sure we'd argue over something, but not that. Maybe we'll settle the "herb or erb" argument.

It's spelled h-e-r-b and pronounced urb. Anyone who disagrees with me is WRONG!

Damn, well NOW what are we supposed to do for the rest of eternity?

[Dave]

btw Im a idiot lol I I have thoughts with not much knowledge. I live my life with cigs and wihskey and Marilyn manson, helps me live day to day. I am wrong in most ways. I was just making a dumb point saying no matter what we wil always have somthin to fight over. As Lincoln said, better to be thought an moron instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I quote I live by without following if that makes any sense.

Try this.

[Padreko]

Religion sucks in general. I mean how can organization with that name associated with it be good? It just sounds bad. But thats besides the point. My suggestion is that you should believe that it is not knowable whether god exists. Furthermore, what reason do you really have to believe in such a thing - Just because some wrote it in a book? Believe me, you have more reason to believe in the tooth fairy. Don't waste any mental energies on wondering about the whys or the purpose of our existence, atleast in the dogmatic sense. Just spend your time enjoying it your existence(sex, drugs, music, more sex :-P ). I would think that if an all powerful, manificient creator existed AND wanted any dealings with "us" it might manifest in some form that is measurable, rather by the proclamations of some dead nomadic goat herders. This is only a thought experiment, but really consideration that a god exists - who the fuck cares because apparently it doesn't have the descency to communicate with you and rid you of your religious qualms. Now we're stuck with these crazy folks- you know who I'm talking about: the leader of the mormons, and the pope and all of those other prophets who profess that they can communicate with their god and that you should listen to them. They're all self proclaimed.... If you wanna believe in these fucks you might as well call Miss Fucking Cleo. Errr - also consider this. Religion sucks because otherwise you wouldn't be on exchristian.net. If we lived in a world with no religion you wouldn't be intoxicated up late at night thinking abotu this sh33t. Religion is t3h sux0rz... Science is t3h rulez0rz...

 

 

HOpe this helps. These are my personal conclusions...

 

 

Take Care!

[Dave]

Religion sucks in general. I mean how can organization with that name associated with it be good? It just sounds bad. But thats besides the point. My suggestion is that you should believe that it is not knowable whether god exists.

What do you have to base that on? How do you know? How do you know you cannot know it is not knowable?

Furthermore, what reason do you really have to believe in such a thing - Just because some wrote it in a book? Believe me, you have more reason to believe in the tooth fairy.

According to your first paragraph you should say that you should believe that it is not knowable whether the tooth faerie exists. You'd have to say the same things about ghosts, UFOs, unicorns, Tralfamidorians, or anything else anyone can make up.

Don't waste any mental energies on wondering about the whys or the purpose of our existence, atleast in the dogmatic sense. Just spend your time enjoying it your existence(sex, drugs, music, more sex :-P)....

I don't waste any energies on gods and their ilk. Life is too short to waste it on myths. Life is also too short and too precious to waste getting stoned out of existence every day. That's not a way of living life, but a way of hiding from it.

[Kurari]

btw Im a idiot lol I I have thoughts with not much knowledge. I live my life with cigs and wihskey and Marilyn manson, helps me live day to day. I am wrong in most ways. I was just making a dumb point saying no matter what we wil always have somthin to fight over. As Lincoln said, better to be thought an moron instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I quote I live by without following if that makes any sense.

 

You're not an idiot or a moron, but you are going to have to sit down and really evaluate your life. Do you really want to waste all your cash on cigs and whiskey just so you can get through the day?

 

Perhaps a place to start for you is to sit down and evaluate all the good things you have in life. Our culture teaches us to ignore the good things and focus on the stuff that's wrong. There's always going to be a bit of each, but paying attention and making sure you enjoy all the good stuff in your life right now makes dealing with problems that much easier.

 

Life has the meaning you give it. You don't need gods to validate you or give you purpose. You don't even need to have a purpose in life. You don't need validation to exist, because you already do. You're totally free and in control over what you want to do. It might take some time to figure that out, but eventually you will. The important thing to understand is you have all the power to create your own oppertunities.

[Padreko]

What do you have to base that on? How do you know? How do you know you cannot know it is not knowable?

-I base that statement on my personal experience. Secondly, take epistemology. Your second two questions don't make sense.

 

According to your first paragraph you should say that you should believe that it is not knowable whether the tooth faerie exists. You'd have to say the same things about ghosts, UFOs, unicorns, Tralfamidorians, or anything else anyone can make up.

 

-Exactly!

 

I don't waste any energies on gods and their ilk. Life is too short to waste it on myths. Life is also too short and too precious to waste getting stoned out of existence every day. That's not a way of living life, but a way of hiding from it.

 

-It is good that we all are allowed to have opinions. Whats good for me isn't necessarily good for you.

[Guest AriFeannor]

btw Im a idiot lol I I have thoughts with not much knowledge. I live my life with cigs and wihskey and Marilyn manson, helps me live day to day. I am wrong in most ways. I was just making a dumb point saying no matter what we wil always have somthin to fight over. As Lincoln said, better to be thought an moron instead of opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I quote I live by without following if that makes any sense.

 

You're not an idiot or a moron, but you are going to have to sit down and really evaluate your life. Do you really want to waste all your cash on cigs and whiskey just so you can get through the day?

 

Perhaps a place to start for you is to sit down and evaluate all the good things you have in life. Our culture teaches us to ignore the good things and focus on the stuff that's wrong. There's always going to be a bit of each, but paying attention and making sure you enjoy all the good stuff in your life right now makes dealing with problems that much easier.

 

Life has the meaning you give it. You don't need gods to validate you or give you purpose. You don't even need to have a purpose in life. You don't need validation to exist, because you already do. You're totally free and in control over what you want to do. It might take some time to figure that out, but eventually you will. The important thing to understand is you have all the power to create your own oppertunities.

 

 

Theres nothing I want to do but conquer the world which I would be condemned evil by doing so. I don't do drugs that are traceable so I cant get caught and have to suffer my parents fake disappointment. Like I said, dont look forward to anything, dont care for anything or anyone really. Even if I did its just all chemical and fake. We exit without a purpose so there is no purpose to anything so nor you, nor I or anyone else can tell someone what is right or wrong because there is no such extravagances in this world. We are so mutual that every single person is right. You can be shown what is thought to be as normal only if its a thought which most people believe in. But some people are even to dominate for that. If I do what I want to do, there is no turning back and my reign will most likely be a short one, and if I were to ignore my parents cries than that could happen. I know in my mind what is right and wrong as does everyone think they do. Thing with me is I still wouldn't mind doing the wrong things instead. Sex is just a feeling, it goes away as soon as its gone, the more you have, the more intense it will have to be, at least with me. Further and further if I must so have that to try and fill that never ending hole than I could someday become a rapist murder like alot. Fortunately I don't care and trying to have sex because I know it just goes away right after. I only like buying stuff if I know Ill never have to replace it, sex is like 29 cent batteries in a cd player. When Im drunk I get a lil emotional sometimes, something fake totally changes who you are when your sober. Not that Im saying I lied when it brings out the truth, Im pretty sure it does. Its my other genes telling me to be dominate, not show my feelings, say fuck you too. That's the fake side but a side more capable of living in this world.