woodsmoke Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9083208 Just... wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGJ@ReligionisBullshit Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9083208 Just... wow. I don't know what is more sad, the fact we are such warmongers we would need one, or they actually believe a Presidential appointee would make a difference in policy. What real power would they have? "call on the intellectual and spiritual wealth of the people of the United States and seek participation in its administration and in its development of policy from private, public, and nongovernmental organizations" Faith-based movement? This office has no real powers other than to advise. Why would we need an official department to advise the advisors when you can just vote in a peacemongerer instead of a warmongerer? It is beareucratic, bigger government, higher taxes, horse shit. "develop a peace education curriculum, which shall include studies of-- (A) the civil rights movement in the United States and throughout the world, with special emphasis on how individual endeavor and involvement have contributed to advancements in peace and justice; and ( peace agreements and circumstances in which peaceful intervention has worked to stop conflict;" Um, gee, don't students already study the civil rights movements? Do we need an official department standing over our teacher's shoulders to enforce "how individual endeavor and involvement have contributed?" "(6) create and establish a Peace Academy, which shall-- (A) be modeled after the military service academies; ( provide a 4-year course of instruction in peace education, after which graduates will be required to serve 5 years in public service in programs dedicated to domestic or international nonviolent conflict resolution; and" What kind of bullshit is this? More taxes to pay for this Peace Academy as well as the "public service" programs afterwards. What the hell will their function be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piprus Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Oh well, everybody's got an agenda, I guess. I can just hear the neocons in their thinktank now. "Peace? We don' NEED no steenking peace!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llwellyn Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 We live in a culture (here in the U.S.) where good is bad and right is wrong. Up is down and down is up. The culture is severly confused and deeply muddled. We have lost sight of what is true, and good and just. And Christianity is to blame for much of this moral confusion. At the very least, it does not clear anything up for our sad, sick compatriots. Christianity turns people into paranoid conspiracy theorists who don't have a taste for peace and joy -- only violence and hatred. It subverts every honest and kindheartedly feeling and instead replaces them with ignorance, cruetly and stupidity. As a religion, Christinianity sucks. As a community, American is degraded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 And Christianity is to blame for much of this moral confusion. I agree. That's why I've been arguing in that other thread the fact that xians are in fact deluded individuals and that their delusions go so far as to affect all of us. And JLG, that's twice in two days I've been in full agreement with you. What the hell is up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGJ@ReligionisBullshit Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 And Christianity is to blame for much of this moral confusion. I agree. That's why I've been arguing in that other thread the fact that xians are in fact deluded individuals and that their delusions go so far as to affect all of us. And JLG, that's twice in two days I've been in full agreement with you. What the hell is up with that? I'll try to find something to tick you off. Agreement all the time is just plain fascist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llwellyn Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another way that Christianity corrupts people's souls is by keeping them from identifying with "others" -- people outside their nationality, religion, color, and language. We on earth are all brothers, but to the Christian there exist negative categories of "unbelievers," "enemies," etc. It keeps people from experiencing natural emotions of empathy and sympathy. Witness the fact that we all know the number of dead US servicemen in the Iraq war (a bit above 3000), but other stats are not interesting to the American public -- like the numbers of insurgent and civilian dead. Christianity corrodes a person's soul and makes them immoral. I won't say that it is the root of all that is evil, but it definitely is a force for evil today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Just... wow. *somewhere in Northern Germany, on Sunday morning neighbors wonder about the incessant sound of someone losing his lunch from inside one specific appartment... the whole fucking morning* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another way that Christianity corrupts people's souls is by keeping them from identifying with "others" -- people outside their nationality, religion, color, and language. What's it anyway with this "evil UN wants to take us over" delusion the reich-wingers in your country suffer from? Where does it come from originally, what's its "history", so to say? Is it indeed something that grows out of your morontheist cults, or are there other roots? <-- half of the US population <-- the other half looking at the first half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaoi Huntress Earth Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I think this messed-up morality has a rather ignored factor which is what I call surface morality. Which means as long as you look the part, worship the right religion and political affiliation, and don't do anything radical (like only the most vanilla sex, aren't into anything too odd, etc), it doesn't matter if you're an asshole\hypocrite. Do you think people would still sing the praises of how "Christian" Bush Jr. or Ann Coulter are if they looked like the members of Rancid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGJ@ReligionisBullshit Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another way that Christianity corrupts people's souls is by keeping them from identifying with "others" -- people outside their nationality, religion, color, and language. What's it anyway with this "evil UN wants to take us over" delusion the reich-wingers in your country suffer from? Where does it come from originally, what's its "history", so to say? Is it indeed something that grows out of your morontheist cults, or are there other roots? <-- half of the US population <-- the other half looking at the first half Don't you know? We don't want anything around that doesn't do what we say, feed our incessant consumption, or threaten our hegemony of the world. Historically, there is no precedent; it is just the way it is. I am sure that if Germany, or any country for that matter, was in our position (the only global superpower) they would be the same way and do the same things we do. Historically, that is an accurate assumption. Even now, regional powers lord their weaker neighbors. We just happen to do it on a grander scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbearer Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 The only way peace will occur is if you destory the people and powers responsible for making it impossible -- at the moment that, for us, is the entire Islamic Totalitarian movement. This Department of Peace sounds, like JGJ@ReligionisBullshit said, a waste of our tax payer money. I can imagine this department endless appeasing anyone who puts a gun to our heads. We'll talk our enemies ears off while they bomb (suicide bomb?) the living daylights out us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piprus Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Thurisaz: What's it anyway with this "evil UN wants to take us over" delusion the reich-wingers in your country suffer from? Where does it come from originally, what's its "history", so to say? Is it indeed something that grows out of your morontheist cults, or are there other roots? There has been an anti-UN faction in the US for many years. I'm sure the right-wing evangelicals are part of it, but it actually goes back to the cold war era. The thought was that the UN was dominated by communists and socialists headed by the Soviet block countries, whose aim was to spread economic dictatorship with financial support from the US contributions to maintaining the UN. I can recall seeing a religious tract circa mid-1970's depicting the UN as the coming one-world government led by the "beast" of Revelation. It appears that fantasy is still going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 Another way that Christianity corrupts people's souls is by keeping them from identifying with "others" -- people outside their nationality, religion, color, and language. What's it anyway with this "evil UN wants to take us over" delusion the reich-wingers in your country suffer from? Where does it come from originally, what's its "history", so to say? Is it indeed something that grows out of your morontheist cults, or are there other roots? I took particular pleasure in the part of the story where the reporter asked them to show him exactly where in the document it said the U.N. would take control of the U.S. "Well, there's X here." "But that's saying Y." "Okay, what about this?" "No, that's pretty clearly Z." They never found it, of course, but that never stopped them from believing it. The only way peace will occur is if you destory the people and powers responsible for making it impossible -- at the moment that, for us, is the entire Islamic Totalitarian movement.<snip> We'll talk our enemies ears off while they bomb (suicide bomb?) the living daylights out us. Damn straight! We should stop pussyfootin' around and treatin' these people like fellow human beings and just bomb Mecca! That'll get the point across! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Is this a parody? Wasn't the Department of Peace one of the departments in the fictional totalitarian government in Orwell's 1984? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted April 1, 2007 Author Share Posted April 1, 2007 It was on Morning Edition on NPR several days ago, so I don't think it was a parody. Though I almost wish it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 It was on Morning Edition on NPR several days ago, so I don't think it was a parody. Though I almost wish it was. Let's see. We already have "goodspeak" to an extent. It's called political correctness. Someone's suggested a Dept. of Peace seriously. It was actually Ministry of Peace in the book, but same diff. We have Big Brother to an extent already. True privacy has become a thing of the past. We still have thoughtcrime, the Ministry of Love, the Ministry of Plenty, and the Ministry of Truth to go. Although our government already does some of those functions, especially the Ministry of Truth, it is not called that. Nor is it a separate department. Kind of scary when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGJ@ReligionisBullshit Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 H.R. Bill 808, it is not a parady, it is quite real. H.R. 808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twincats Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 From the article: "...Martin County, population 10,000; it's among the top 10 pork-producing counties in America. " Lots of hog confinements, that explains a lot; they're overcome by the fumes. Don't know which side's worse off, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Is this a parody? Wasn't the Department of Peace one of the departments in the fictional totalitarian government in Orwell's 1984? Now that you've said it... I was wondering about the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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