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Now that the catholic church's headlines of priests molesting youth has subsided, what do you think the ramifications are? My own anecdotal observations and opinion seems to be a general distrust of the church. Many members still go and follow, but they see numerous schools closing due to finincial matters. Yet these members see countless millions being paid out, while their K-6 elementary school gets closed.

The scandal WAS a factor in my own born again atheism. To think how I scruloupously confessed each sin to a priest. I always HATED confession. I now view the church as a guilt inducing monster that I will no longer allow to control my life. Thanks

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I'd be interested in knowing the opinions of others on this as well. I was not a Catholic prior to my deconversion and know very little of it's doctrines however, as an observer, it always seemed like such a rigid, strict system with very little actual adherence. It seems to me as though every professing Catholic might as well just not attend Mass through the way they live... no different than a "non-believer" and definitely worse than most "un-believers" I know.

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Never been a cocklick, but as far as I (think I) can tell... yeah, it didn't exactly do them that much good over here either.

 

Aside of course from the hype about "WE ARE POPE!!!111!!!" since RATzinger became the new liar-in-chief. :Hmm: I guess much more disgusting stuff would have to happen to end that.

 

Of course there's always a hard core of kiss-jebus'-arse believers who will obey popey's every command, but those who have at least half a brain that still works... :fdevil:

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Never been a cocklick, but as far as I (think I) can tell... yeah, it didn't exactly do them that much good over here either.

 

Aside of course from the hype about "WE ARE POPE!!!111!!!" since RATzinger became the new liar-in-chief. :Hmm: I guess much more disgusting stuff would have to happen to end that.

 

Of course there's always a hard core of kiss-jebus'-arse believers who will obey popey's every command, but those who have at least half a brain that still works... :fdevil:

Thuriasz: Ich habe eine Frage für dich. Woher kommst due aus Deutschland? Sorry, meine Deutsch ist ganz schlecht. Ich hab es nicht für eine lange Zeit verwendet. Ich war ein Militär Politzist in Kitzingen bei Würzburg für drei Jahre.

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That's okay, after all, quite often I find it hard to believe that I'm sooo skilled at English either. But as people keep telling me that, either it's true or there is one huuuuuge conspiracy going on ;)

 

That said, I dwell in the Northern part of Germany, close to the city of Braunschweig, in the small town of Gifhorn some 15 miles to the north.

Cool place for Asatruar. Groves of holy trees all around, crows/ravens wherever you look ("Hey, Hugin and Munin - I take it that this is one of your preferred resting spots?" ;) )...

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Cool place for Asatruar. Groves of holy trees all around, crows/ravens wherever you look ("Hey, Hugin and Munin - I take it that this is one of your preferred resting spots?" ;) )...

 

*notes it on future travel itenerary*

 

Anyhoo, any amount of scandal is sure to have a bad impact on the Church. Well, good for humanity - bad for them, of course. Shit like the molestation cases will only help in pushing the fence-sitters off the edge and away from the Church for good, or push them a little further away. When I was still a Cathoholic, it did shake my faith up a little - and when I was in the process of evolving away from Xianity, the scandals did stick out in my mind and told me that there really is nothing special about Catholic priests nor anything morally superior about Catholicism. Catholics are just as prone to being fucked-up as anyone else, ultimately. Faith in that crap doesn't make one any better than anyone else.

 

When people see just how truly unholy any Xian sect is, it will only push more people away. There will always be those who cling to it, but you'll have that.

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Garrison, thanks for this thread. Although I was never Catholic, I was wondering how this effected these Catholic communities too.

 

It always got me, that I would visit a very poor area and there was this incredible Catholic church that was of monumental beauty and dripping of incredible wealth... yet I would see the poorest people go in and give their money to the church! :Doh:

 

Yet, it is hard to really blame these people who stay, as there is some major brain washing done. I thought I came on here with solid critical thinking about "religion," and still find on here where I've been sucked in and didn't realize it! And for someone who has founded their whole life on it... how can they accept their whole life was founded on a lie? I have tremendous respect for those on here that left the ministry after 30 years, once they realized that it was :crazy:. Most people can't do it!

 

If some pedaphile was pretty smart, could see organized religion requiring a certain dogma and are really just very self serving, why wouldn't he want to use them to get what he wants too? Especially if they make requirements to be celibut, and put in a place of extreme trust with children, that would be heaven for them! I've also heard of kids saying that once they reported the molestation to their parents, their parent hit them for even saying such a thing!

 

Once, debating a Catholic on a Christian forum, I was flabber ghasted when he told me he literally believed that the communion bread really turned into the actual flesh of Christ once in his mouth, and the wine/grape juice really turned into the actual blood of Christ once in his mouth too! :eek:

 

That's okay, after all, quite often I find it hard to believe that I'm sooo skilled at English either. But as people keep telling me that, either it's true or there is one huuuuuge conspiracy going on ;)

Thurisaz, your English is incredible! It's better than mine! You even have our mannerisms down to a "T"!

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Cool place for Asatruar. Groves of holy trees all around, crows/ravens wherever you look ("Hey, Hugin and Munin - I take it that this is one of your preferred resting spots?" ;) )...

 

*notes it on future travel itenerary*

 

Notify me in time and I'll be your host. ;)

 

(Actually, we will - me and my beloved Islington. Gotta get her to posting here again, it's been like years since she dropped in the last time)

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That's okay, after all, quite often I find it hard to believe that I'm sooo skilled at English either. But as people keep telling me that, either it's true or there is one huuuuuge conspiracy going on ;)

Thurisaz, your English is incredible! It's better than mine! You even have our mannerisms down to a "T"!

 

*bows thankfully*

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I'm so fed up with the cover-ups, I don't even read the stories in the paper anymore. I live in SoCal where the San Diego diocese is filing for bankruptcy rather than having to settle cases. yuk. I wasn't Catholic, but was raised in a very Catholic neighborhood.

 

In a related topic, I saw a documentary (on Sundance channel called "Forbidden Wedding") about a paraplegic man in Brazil who was denied the right to marry in the Catholic church because he couldn't have "normal pro-creative" sex. http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500013485

 

It seems ironic, but I can't figure out extactly why...

 

 

That's okay, after all, quite often I find it hard to believe that I'm sooo skilled at English either. But as people keep telling me that, either it's true or there is one huuuuuge conspiracy going on ;)

Thurisaz, your English is incredible! It's better than mine! You even have our mannerisms down to a "T"!

 

It really is, I thought for a while you might be a guy my husband works with here in California. Maybe you spend too much time online hangin around us 'mericans? :wicked:

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There's a current murder case here inthe UK where a Roman Catholic Priest has admitted on the stand to shagging the victim AND the choir guitarist... He also appeared to know where the body was BEFORE it was found... Now, the guy charged is a known child molestor, but the victim (22 y.o. Girl) is well outside his predation area (IMO). The Priest is a far better match IMO...

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As far as I can recall, the sex abuse scandals had no real effect on my faith in Catholicism or my membership of the Church. But then I never had the arse-kissing inferiority complex that a minority of fanatical Catholics do when it comes to the clergy. I knew they were human beings, and I knew some of them could be just as evil and could do just as much harm as anyone else.

 

I believed then, and do now, that a number of Bishops and Cardinals, Cardinal Law of the Boston Archdiocese and Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor the Archbishop of Westminster among them, ought to have criminal cases brought against them for gross negligence and being accesories to child molestation.

 

It made my blood boil when Cardinal O'Connor said he thought gay adoption would harm children....this is the idiotic twat who, as Bishop of Southwark, moved a known child molester to another parish rather than handing him over to the authorities for fuck's sake! Who is that piece of shit to tell the secular government what harms children! :vtffani: HE harms children.

 

I don't think it reflects on Catholicism as such, rather on individuals, some of them extremely high up in the church hierarchy.

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Want to be appalled, shocked, horrified, disgusted?

 

Watch this:

 

Deliver Us From Evil

 

-CC

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It really is, I thought for a while you might be a guy my husband works with here in California. Maybe you spend too much time online hangin around us 'mericans? :wicked:

 

Don't challenge me - I'm contemplating getting me a webcam and dropping in to the new a/v chat sometime soon. ;)

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