Legion Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Don't rush judgement... I'm an asshole Hey, I almost missed this Gramps. Come on now. I'm sure you're really a sweetheart in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Don't rush judgement... I'm an asshole Hey, I almost missed this Gramps. Come on now. I'm sure you're really a sweetheart in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 The rising antiwar tide ... in the GOPAntiWar.Com by Justin Raimondo "The realization that the neocons are doing to the Republican Party what they're doing to the U.S. military -- driving it into the ground -- is now widespread in GOP circles. In an appearance on Fox News this past Sunday, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio stated, 'By the time we get to September or October, members are going to want to know how well this is working, and if it isn't, what's Plan B.' Trent Lott agrees. Rep. James Walsh, an upstate New York Republican facing pressure from his constituents to disavow the president's position on the war, issued an open letter in which he stated that, if the 'surge' isn't successful by autumn, 'we should be prepared to begin withdrawing our soldiers.' Republicans facing problematic reelection prospects, such as Minnesota's Norm Coleman, are giving the 'surge' and the 'Petraeus is our savior' strategy a second look: 'There is a sense and a reality that there is a lot we have to see by September,' says Sen. Coleman, and it doesn't take special powers to hear the anxious undertone." (05/09/07) http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10935 Street without joyThe American Conservative by Stewart Nusbaumer "Rolling through Baghdad in a convoy of five heavily armed Humvees, we pass buildings pulverized into useless rubble. An Apache helicopter hovers on the horizon. Turning onto a narrow road, we proceed cautiously through low buildings pockmarked by small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. A U.S. military jet screeches by overhead. The Haifa Street neighborhood of Baghdad hosts a strong Iraqi troop and police presence. Checkpoints mark nearly every corner, stacked sandbags replace windows, side roads are closed by makeshift road blocks. There are few remaining residents but much unnerving silence -- suddenly broken by the rat-tat-tat of a large-caliber machine gun. 'That's from the other side of the river,' Capt. Christopher Dawson reassures me. White sparkling flares shoot out of the helicopter and thick black smoke rises from the ground -- on the other side of the river. Nowhere in Iraq does it feel more like full-blown war than in Baghdad. And nowhere in Iraq does it feel more normal than in Baghdad." (05/07/07) http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_05_07/article1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 US air strikes kill 21 civilians in Afghanistan At least 21 civilians, including six children, have been killed in US air strikes in Afghanistan, leading to angry protests among locals. The deaths brought the total of civilian deaths to almost 100 in the past two weeks and followed President Hamid Karzai's declaration that his people "can no longer accept casualties the way they occur". The new round of "collateral damage" also came a day after the US military said it was "deeply ashamed" of the killings of 19 civilians by marines in early March. In the latest incident American special forces called for air strikes in the village of Soro near Sangin in Helmand, after coming under attack from around 200 Taliban fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 US air strikes kill 21 civilians in Afghanistan At least 21 civilians, including six children, have been killed in US air strikes in Afghanistan, leading to angry protests among locals. The deaths brought the total of civilian deaths to almost 100 in the past two weeks and followed President Hamid Karzai's declaration that his people "can no longer accept casualties the way they occur". The new round of "collateral damage" also came a day after the US military said it was "deeply ashamed" of the killings of 19 civilians by marines in early March. In the latest incident American special forces called for air strikes in the village of Soro near Sangin in Helmand, after coming under attack from around 200 Taliban fighters. Makes a change from killing people on their side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubilant Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 US air strikes kill 21 civilians in Afghanistan At least 21 civilians, including six children, have been killed in US air strikes in Afghanistan, leading to angry protests among locals. The deaths brought the total of civilian deaths to almost 100 in the past two weeks and followed President Hamid Karzai's declaration that his people "can no longer accept casualties the way they occur". The new round of "collateral damage" also came a day after the US military said it was "deeply ashamed" of the killings of 19 civilians by marines in early March. In the latest incident American special forces called for air strikes in the village of Soro near Sangin in Helmand, after coming under attack from around 200 Taliban fighters. Absolutely heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted May 11, 2007 Author Share Posted May 11, 2007 Iraqi lawmakers push for US withdrawalSan Francisco Chronicle "A majority of Iraq's parliament has signed a proposed bill that would require a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. soldiers from Iraq and freeze current troop levels, a sign of a growing division between Iraqi legislators and the prime minister that mirrors the widening gulf between the Bush administration and its critics in Congress. The draft bill would create a timeline for a gradual departure, much like what some Democrats in the United States have demanded, and require the Iraqi government to secure parliament's approval before any further extensions of the U.N. mandate for foreign troops in Iraq, which expires at the end of 2007." (05/11/07) http://tinyurl.com/366bek Official says Army will seek funds for vehiclesUSA Today "The Army has decided to ask Defense Secretary Robert Gates to approve funds for 18,000 armored vehicles that can counter the threat of roadside bombs, a Pentagon official said Thursday. The official, who has direct knowledge of the request, said the proposal for Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles comes from commanders in Iraq. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the Army." (05/10/07) http://tinyurl.com/2o7ot6 House votes to fund Iraq occupation through JulyConnecticut Post "The Democratic-controlled House voted Thursday night to pay for military operations in Iraq on an installment plan, defying President Bush's threat of a second straight veto in a fierce test of wills over the unpopular war. The 221-205 vote, largely along party lines, sent the measure to a cool reception in the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is seeking compromise with the White House and Republicans on a funding bill." (05/10/07) http://www.connpost.com/localnews/ci_5867849 Pentagon to Congress: We're above the lawBoston Globe "The Pentagon has placed unprecedented restrictions on who can testify before Congress, reserving the right [sic] to bar lower-ranking officers, enlisted soldiers, and career bureaucrats from appearing before oversight committees or having their remarks transcribed, according to Defense Department documents. Robert L. Wilkie, a former Bush administration national security official who left the White House to become assistant secretary of defense for legislative affairs last year, has outlined a half-dozen guidelines that prohibit most officers below the rank of colonel from appearing in hearings, restricting testimony to high-ranking officers and civilians appointed by President Bush." (05/10/07) http://tinyurl.com/2ecuzg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Does anyone else feel a war crimes trial coming on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 (sarcasm) We should kill and torture innocent people in Iraq. After all they should be happy that we're there after saving them from a cruel tyrant that killed and tortured innocent people. And as long as we're spreading monotheistic theocratic democracy. (/sarcasm) -- sorry, I just can't help being a bit dark sometimes -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 (sarcasm)We should kill and torture innocent people in Iraq. After all they should be happy that we're there after saving them from a cruel tyrant that killed and tortured innocent people. And as long as we're spreading monotheistic theocratic democracy. (/sarcasm) -- sorry, I just can't help being a bit dark sometimes -- The Daily Show made a good comment the other day... it turns out that Al Qaida are now in Iraq and using Chlorine gas bombs... whaddya know, we're there two years and Iraq becomes what we claimed it was when we went in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 The Daily Show made a good comment the other day... it turns out that Al Qaida are now in Iraq and using Chlorine gas bombs... whaddya know, we're there two years and Iraq becomes what we claimed it was when we went in! Ouch. That's true. Al Qaida found their perfect training grounds. They don't have to bother with flying over the Atlantic or getting visas etc. They just sneak over the border, hide in the desert and start training. They even have our soldiers basically coming to their doors. How insane! We didn't bring the war to them, we brought the school material! This is really irony to the extreme. The terrorists can now study and figure out the best ways of attacking our army... practically for free. *Gargh!* I guess the next step now is to provide the new government of Iraq with chemical weapons and WMDs. I mean, we have to make sure they can defend themselves when we leave, right? And then in 20 years from now we can go in again to retrieve the weapons. ... Will it ever end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 We should kill and torture innocent people in Iraq. We already do. More than Saddam ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 11, 2007 Share Posted May 11, 2007 Not quite 'more'... The League of Gentlemen hasn't quite tried genocide on the Kurds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted May 12, 2007 Share Posted May 12, 2007 A minor distinction. We may not have engaged in a campaign of genocide, but the body count in our "more moral" position is higher. And we torture with equal abandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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