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An excuse, brought to you by: http://www.ex-atheist.com/Hell.html

 

Yes, the rest of this article is just as stupid.

 

 

THE RECONCILIATION OF GODLY NATURE AND HELL'S EXISTENCE:

 

1) God seeks to create an eternal nation of good and holy people.

 

 

Then why doesn't he?

 

 

2) God can’t instantly create people with this holy nature.

 

So, what was that whole mess in Genessis about then?

 

a. There are some things that God can’t do. For example, he can’t lie. He can't go against His own moral nature.

 

Explain to me how this guy can define limits to something you can't even measure?

 

b. The things that God cannot do serve to define God, as well as those things that He can do.

 

Circular reasoning. Oh, we're making huge logical leaps here!

 

c. God cannot do things that breach logic. For example, He may be able to create a square or a circle, but he cannot create a circle that is a square. Such an object cannot logically exist.

 

Well, logically, neither can god. He's just as much an abstract idea.

 

d. The fact that he cannot do everything does nothing to compromise His existence as the most powerful force that can possibly exist.

 

Compared to what? The fact that he can't do anything does everything to compromise his existence. My theory is equally valid in this context.

 

e. Therefore, the description of God being ‘all powerful’ should not be held to a rigid, hyper literalism. It is hyperbole.

 

God not being 'all powerful' makes him not God. If he's not all powerful, and has limits, he's not really a god. It also makes him a liar.

 

There's more, but it's mostly total logical disconnect. I'm in no mood for it now.

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Agree with you...it's a stupid site.

Agree with you also on your rebuttal. I just hope the xians consider this as well. It will be interesting to see what they say,if they do.

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

First point, they are immune to contradictions because they've set themselves up for no other alternative but to declare themselves immune.

Marcion was certainly a wrench in the gears, one that no doubt the Roman bishops had to wrestle with, and in the end threw their anointed and righteous hands up, and declared "heresy". "Our way or the Highway".

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

First point, they are immune to contradictions because they've set themselves up for no other alternative but to declare themselves immune.

Marcion was certainly a wrench in the gears, one that no doubt the Roman bishops had to wrestle with, and in the end threw their anointed and righteous hands up, and declared "heresy". "Our way or the Highway".

Paul's inclusion is a sop to Marcionites. They were a powerful sect who scared the willies out of Irenaeus forward to Eusebius. Arius was a poor third. And who remembers the Desposyni? :lol:

 

The creed was engineered to cover enough of the Marcionite view to keep them quiet. There's even a nod at the Arians, but they didn't keep the noise down to a dull roar... the actions in Alexandria a few days after Jesus became God indicates that it was clear that there wasn't going to be much quarter if you didn't keep your tongue behind your teeth.

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

First point, they are immune to contradictions because they've set themselves up for no other alternative but to declare themselves immune.

Marcion was certainly a wrench in the gears, one that no doubt the Roman bishops had to wrestle with, and in the end threw their anointed and righteous hands up, and declared "heresy". "Our way or the Highway".

 

Hmm...Circular Reasoning...Secular Reasoning...

 

Similar pronunciation, spelling...coincidence?

 

Mysteries of the Universe never cease.

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

First point, they are immune to contradictions because they've set themselves up for no other alternative but to declare themselves immune.

Marcion was certainly a wrench in the gears, one that no doubt the Roman bishops had to wrestle with, and in the end threw their anointed and righteous hands up, and declared "heresy". "Our way or the Highway".

 

Hmm...Circular Reasoning...Secular Reasoning...

 

Similar pronunciation, spelling...coincidence?

 

Mysteries of the Universe never cease.

nor the black art of etymology ;)

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Prius, you know that most Christians are immune to contradictions...

 

As a historical point, the Bible is inconsistent because of the inclusion of Marcionite texts (Marcion was a fan of Paul) and the God of Marcion is not the OT God....

First point, they are immune to contradictions because they've set themselves up for no other alternative but to declare themselves immune.

Marcion was certainly a wrench in the gears, one that no doubt the Roman bishops had to wrestle with, and in the end threw their anointed and righteous hands up, and declared "heresy". "Our way or the Highway".

Paul's inclusion is a sop to Marcionites. They were a powerful sect who scared the willies out of Irenaeus forward to Eusebius. Arius was a poor third. And who remembers the Desposyni? :lol:

 

The creed was engineered to cover enough of the Marcionite view to keep them quiet. There's even a nod at the Arians, but they didn't keep the noise down to a dull roar... the actions in Alexandria a few days after Jesus became God indicates that it was clear that there wasn't going to be much quarter if you didn't keep your tongue behind your teeth.

So it would seem then, the attidtude was, "let us be inclusive, but within limits"? (as the christian creed was formulated)

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IT was more expediency than a desire to 'include'... after all anyone who demurred in the council chamber at Nicea was removed and never seen again... but if the sect was big enough there was some wiggle room left. The real ethnic minority in combustibles was the Desposyni, who couldn't be accommodated and, since they claimed blood line to James the Just, only bloodline could be Bishops, Jesus was a man and a prophet not a god, and they objected to their church being controlled from Constantinople. Thus there was only one outcome possible... that was very messy for a while...

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IT was more expediency than a desire to 'include'... after all anyone who demurred in the council chamber at Nicea was removed and never seen again... but if the sect was big enough there was some wiggle room left. The real ethnic minority in combustibles was the Desposyni, who couldn't be accommodated and, since they claimed blood line to James the Just, only bloodline could be Bishops, Jesus was a man and a prophet not a god, and they objected to their church being controlled from Constantinople. Thus there was only one outcome possible... that was very messy for a while...

Fascinating, this forge that when its project was complete would result in the dark ages for Europe. Fascinating indeed.

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As an addendum, there is a school of thought that holds the opinion that the monstrous fuck up of Nicea, and the bloodbath that followed was directly responsible for the rise of Islam...

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