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Even as a Christian, I was surprised at the blurring of the distinction between Christianity and the American concepts of “Rights.”

 

I recall a Sunday School teacher talking of how the government was questioning one of his contributions to the church and whether it was a legitimate deduction. What I remember so vividly was his outrage followed by the statement, “This is a form of persecution on Christians.”

 

Excuse me?

 

Let me get this straight—something unheard of under both the Bible and U.S. Constitution, yet if you don’t get it, it is some sort of “persecution”? I am sure all those martyrs in Fox’s Book of Martyrs would go pale in the shock of how abusive this concept is—to NOT get a tax benefit for doing something you should do doing anyway. Shocked, I say!

 

A “Right” is a benefit conferred upon citizens by the will of the general populace, usually reduced to writing in the form of a Constitution. While “inalienable human rights” may be referred to, try convincing cancer you have a right to “life.” Or your boss on a sunny Friday afternoon that you have a right to the “pursuit of happiness.” Sure you have that “right.” You would also discover the “right” to find new employment!

 

What surprised me, and continues to surprise me is that Christians in America elevate their rights under the Constitution to at least the equivalent of the Bible, if not eclipse it. The First Amendment under the Bill of Rights is considered pragmatically more divine then the Song of Solomon.

 

How many times have we heard, “As a Christian I have the right to pray in school”? Or “…have the Ten Commandments in the Courthouse”? or “…practice my religion by doing _____”? Here’s a news flash—you obtain that “right” as a citizen of your country; not because you are a Christian.

 

In America, this confrontation over religious rights rests squarely on the first clause of the First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…

And the perpetual question we have wrestled is the meaning and limitation of what “establishment of religion” is or “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

 

Clearly, in reviewing our history, we HAVE limited the free exercise of religion. Ask the Mormons how polygamy is going. If I started a church in which one basic tenet is that we do not pay taxes in any way (property, state or income) I may have a large membership, but I would quickly find the government impinging our “free exercise thereof.”

 

Rather than focus on the legal machinations that have wended our way through this minefield, I would like to ask a more simple, basic question—with all the competing theistic beliefs, can we as humans manage a system by which we respect the other’s beliefs?

 

Let’s get two things out of the way. First, I understand that every person reading this blog entry has the correct theistic belief. I also understand that the simplest method would be to impose the correct theistic belief, which coincidently is yours. However, I hope you understand that many people with…slightly…to greater to even vast differences in belief also say theirs is the correct one.

 

If we say, “Use the correct belief” and then try and determine what “correct” means we are right back to where we started. Which is nowhere. We are all going to have to concede the fact that others believe differently than we do. Oh, sure they are wrong, but if we don’t respect their ability to be wrong, they will fail to respect ours.

 

Secondly, the reality is that not every situation will be to your liking. In fact, you are going to actually have to suck it up and realize that, on occasion, you will have to self-limit your own belief.

 

We often see the claim that atheism is a religion in the context that by not acknowledging any God, this results in the “establishment of religion.” A no-no. For example, if the courts determine that no prayer can be given before a football game at a public high school, a Christian may shout out that by NOT allowing a prayer, the courts have established the “religion” of atheism. (The poor agnostics never get a break in the “rights” department.)

 

Assuming that is true, we are left in a Catch-22. Allowing the prayer will impinge the non-theist’s “free exercise.” Prohibiting the prayer will impinge the Christian’s. Either one, somebody is not going to be happy.

 

If you are a parent, you learn that it is easier, sometimes, to follow Nancy Reagan’s advice and “Just Say ‘No.’” It is easier to draw a hard line in the sand and say NOBODY is getting ice cream, rather than hearing the bickering back and forth as to who was good enough, or who does not deserve the ice cream.

 

The courts have, in essence, flopped onto this policy. If the Christians get a prayer before the football game, then so do the Muslims. And the Jews. And the Branch Dividians. And the Moonies. And the Catholics. And the Baptists. And the Lutherans. We could never play football! While these groups may not be asking for the opportunity now, if they do, and we have allowed one…

 

It is easier to “Just Say ‘No.’” to all. However, I am talking about how WE need to get along, not what the Courts have done.

 

We could claim that the majority rules. That the minority must defer to the majority belief until it becomes the majority opinion. There are two significant problems with this.

 

First, it is not courteous to the minority position. Nor loving. If we start to lord it over the minority position, it is quite possible that someday our own position becomes the minority, and we would regret this policy. We learned in the schoolyard that just because you are the biggest and can beat the smaller, this only makes you a bully. Not better. I would hope we would want to be “better.” Not bullies.

 

Second, determining “majority” position becomes a difficulty. Is it the majority of people in the city? In the County? In the State? In the Country? In the World? And what do we do—keep taking surveys and votes to determine what religious belief happens to be the majority at that moment?

 

Even with “majority” difficulties arise. If we use the Abrahamic God, do we lump in all the Jews, Muslims and Christians, and claim that God as “Majority”? Or are those separate categories? Or do we use a method by which we label the categories in a way which best helps us? Like including the Jews (but not the Muslims) if we need their numbers to take us over the top.

 

And within each belief—what is the majority? For example, do we include the Catholics in our count of Christians? But a prayer to a saint! The Protestants may NOT want to include the Catholics. Unless they then lose their majority…

 

We all know what we would see. If convenient, certain theistic beliefs would be included in order to obtain a majority. If not, they would be excluded.

 

We non-theists are smart enough to play this card as well. See, the Muslims agree that the Jesus was not God. We could include them and the Jews and every other belief to “Oust” the Christians from their majority. Because a majority does NOT hold Jesus as God. Or we could join the Christians and Jews to “oust” Allah from being the majority.

 

Determining a majority would become a battle similar to what we have now. (And Perhaps the non-theists would be the constant swing vote! O.K. I can dream!)

 

Can we do better? Can we find a way by which we agree to self-limit our theistic belief, for the greater good of getting along? Oh, I still encourage all parties to go to the court system. (Have to pay the bills, ya know!) It is what is it there for. If you think that it is of vast import and having some person in a black dress tell you how to act with your neighbor—go for it!

 

I would prefer that we could rise above it as humans and not need the court to give respect to each other. Let me give an example.

 

Our American currency, from each coin to every bill in circulation contains the statement “In God We Trust.” I don’t trust in a God. There isn’t one. I am forced to use currency by virtue of living in America. Each day, I am passing around little statements that tell the world something I would prefer to not tell the world.

 

So what.

 

I mean REALLY—So What!

 

As actions speak louder than words, what I am actually saying is that I am relying on these little bits of green ink on paper to obtain those things that sustain me. In fact, the use of every single penny, every nickel is NOT saying “In God We Trust” but quite the opposite—“In Gold We Trust.”

 

By obtaining money, I am saying that I don’t expect God to provide for me—I expect this money to do so. By saving it, I am saying quite a bit about my anticipation for God to take care of me in the future—I think more of Alexander Hamilton doing so than God. By spending it, I am saying that God can’t get it for me—but Abraham Lincoln can!

 

Being a person that appreciates irony wherever I can find it—I truly enjoy it every time I see “In God We Trust” on money. Come on, Christians—do you see Jesus teaching how to pray:

 

“Our Father who art on the Ten Dollar Bill,

Unwrinkled be thy name,

Your picture come,

Your crisp smell done,

On earth because we ain’t in Heaven.

 

Buy us this day our daily bread.

Your portrait for debts

Both Public and Private.

Retain your present value compared to the Euro,

But deliver us from that blasted penny!”

 

Do you think God is excited about having his name on—of all things—money? I can see “In God We Trust” on Bibles. On Churches. Even on homes and plaques and pillows. But money?

 

O.K.—it is important to you for some inexplicable reason. As if that has some meaning. Can you take what you dish out? In England, Charles Darwin is on the 10-Pound note. Any Christian have a problem with that?

 

Christians: there is no prayer in school. Is it THAT important to have prayer? Yes, I know it impinges your free exercise of religion. (Sorta. You can pray to yourself, of course.) But in order to get along with your fellow humans—can you give it up? Could you have voluntarily given it up for the betterment of humans?

 

Non-theists: our money mentions the “G” word. Yes, I know that impinges on your theistic belief. (Sorta. You can write checks.) But in order to get along with your fellow humans—can you not care? Can you use it voluntarily for the betterment of humans?

 

Perhaps it is just me, but I am seeing a polarization of beliefs. We are DEMANDING that how we believe must be imposed on others. I want prayer--give me prayer! I don’t believe in god--remove it from my coins! If we can’t rise above this, we are but two short steps from the sectarian violence we see in the Middle East.

 

Can we be better? Rather than insist on our “rights” can we suspend that demand, and allow others to exercise theirs? It may be someday, we will realize that the group that can do that is the most Christ-like.

 

http://exchristian.net/exchristian/2007/04...back-at-ya.html

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As a question, why did no-one complain in 1956 when 'In God We Trust' replaced the salad dressing recipe?

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I think you would also find, upon establishing your own new religion, if it is a polytheistic religion you will never be allowed to reach tax free status. The government is very picky on who they allow to be tax free.

 

For polygamy, Reynolds vs. United States showed that we deffinately are hypocrites and the first ammendment means nothing. The court ruled polygamy violated "Christian values" and was "barbaric," even though the bible clearly said nothing against polygamy, showed the patriarchs practiced polygamy, and offered ways for divorcing multiple wives.

 

What gets me are people who think that universal equality is some kind of dream we can achieve. Sorry, but inequality is what makes the US tic, and pure equality is the ideal of communism. You cannot have political equality in majority rule. Economic inequality is also what drives competitiveness. If people open their eyes they will see that equality gives no reward for personal achievements. Scientists have no benefit to excel, nor do doctors. If their pay was on par with someone at McDonalds, why bother? Religious equality cannot exists when religion's sole purpose is to divide the world into "us" and "them." That leaves sexual and racial equality. These are the only areas where true equality can exist. Sexual inequality is, unfortunately, the reason our youth are so screwed up. I'm not talking about equal pay for equal work, I'm talking about both parents shuffling their children off on someone else to pursue a career. There is something to be said about the good effect of a stay at home parent to mind the children. Unfortunately, that is usually the female because they are the ones who require maternity leave and the chauvanistic beliefs of some men where "home" is where the woman should be. I don't care if it is the man or woman who stays at home, but someone needs to.

 

Money does make the world go 'round, but it is need and greed that drives us to extinction. We are a consumer culture. Those products which we "must have" require resources. Those who lack resources barter for them if they can, and if they can't, they take them by whatever means available. Despite the "global warming" hype, nothing will ever change. The bogus alternative fuels will not do anything to combat global warming and they all come with a price just as bad as gasoline. They won't do anything for global warming because they are still 'inconvenient' to be purchased. If no one buys them, no one will make them. Gas guzzelers are still hot sellers and E85 will ruin the world. Eliminating our dependency on foreign oil just makes domestic producers richer by eliminating competition.

 

We are a minority. Perhaps, we will eventually become the majority but until such a time comes just keep fighting the Christians and their slogans, whether on billboards, in courthouses, or dollar bills. I'm opting out of that battle becuase it is a pointless battle.

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As a question, why did no-one complain in 1956 when 'In God We Trust' replaced the salad dressing recipe?

 

Because putting "In God We Trust" on the coins and inserting the phrase "One Nation Under God" was rooting out those damned commies, doncha know. Both are salutes to McCarthyism but that's hardly ever brought up by either side of the debate. To me, both phrases are a result of a shameful time in US history.

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Well, If I'd been a Soviet Mole I know it would have had me scampering back to Uncle Nikita.

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