Admin webmdave Posted April 30, 2007 Admin Share Posted April 30, 2007 Sent in by Roger W Right now I am in the middle of my deconversion. It all started when I began a critical study of Matthew 24 and the word "generation." After hours of study, I began to realize that Jesus meant to return in the first century. There is NO other way to look at it. I started bringing this up with my preacher brother and missionary sister and my mother(the holiest of holies in the family). I even had the audacity to say that I didn't think the great flood happened or that Balaam ever got in an argument with his ass. Maybe,just maybe a parrot. But an ASS? No way. All HELL broke loose. How dare I question such things. Ex-Christians have pointed out to me that most believers hardly ever even read the Bible. They use misdirection and rely on beliefs that they were taught from childhood. I am currently doing a critical study of the entire Bible. If this turns me into a heathen,so be it. I never felt comfortable as a Christian, and doubts about my beliefs continually bugged me to the point of insanity. I do enjoy the fact that I don't have to suspend common sense and logic anymore. I will no more go on blind dumbass faith to believe something. Wish me luck. To monitor comments posted to this topic, use .http://exchristian.net/testimonies/2007/04/wish-me-luck.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOkkata Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 <span style="font-style:italic;">Sent in by Roger W</span> Right now I am in the middle of my deconversion. It all started when I began a critical study of Matthew 24 and the word "generation." After hours of study, I began to realize that Jesus meant to return in the first century. There is NO other way to look at it. I started bringing this up with my preacher brother and missionary sister and my mother(the holiest of holies in the family). I even had the audacity to say that I didn't think the great flood happened or that Balaam ever got in an argument with his ass. Maybe,just maybe a parrot. But an ASS? No way. All HELL broke loose. How dare I question such things. Ex-Christians have pointed out to me that most believers hardly ever even read the Bible. They use misdirection and rely on beliefs that they were taught from childhood. I am currently doing a critical study of the entire Bible. If this turns me into a heathen,so be it. I never felt comfortable as a Christian, and doubts about my beliefs continually bugged me to the point of insanity. I do enjoy the fact that I don't have to suspend common sense and logic anymore. I will no more go on blind dumbass faith to believe something. Wish me luck. <small><em>To monitor comments posted to this topic, use .</em></small> http://exchristian.net/testimonies/2007/04/wish-me-luck.html Good luck, here's a primer, or more ammo if you'd like: http://www.exchristian.net/exchristian/200...llection-of.php or in text form... Pocket Bible Reference 1 www.aebltd.com/a/ Who You Should Kill --Unruly or rebellious child. Deut 21:20-21 --Those who curse or hit their parents. Lev 20:9, Ex 21:15 --Worshipers of other gods. Deut 13:6-11 --psychics, witches. Lev 20:27, Deut 13:6-11, Ex 22:18. --Those who do not believe in Jesus (parable). Luke 19:27. --Those who work on the Sabbath. Ex 35:2 Moses kills a gentile for this. Num 15:32-36. --Those who are accused by at least two people of wickedness. Deut 17:6. --The children and babies of enemies. Num 31:17,Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29. --Adulterers. Lev 20:10. --Homosexuals. Lev 20:13. --A woman who is not a virgin when married. Deut 22:13-21. --Those who are careless with murderous livestock. Exodus 21:29. Who You Should Hate --Those who eat crab or shrimp. Lev 11:10. --Those who sacrifice an animal to God that has a blemish. Deut 17:1. --Those who remarry the same person after divorce. Deut 24:4. --Homosexuals. Lev 18:22. --Those who are proud. Prov 16:5. --A woman who wears pants. Deut 22:5. --A man with long hair (Jesus?). 1Cor 11:14 contradicts Num 6:5, 1Sam 1:11, Jug 13:5. --those who call others fools Mat 5:22 Should we still do this stuff? --All OT laws still apply in NT. Matt 5:17-19 Contradicted in part by Mat 5:38-39 Doomsday Cult --Jesus/Bible claims the end is near + in our past Mark9:1 Mat16:27-28 Luke 9:26-27 Luke 21:32 Mat 24:34 John 5:25-29 James 5:8 1John 2:18 1Pet 4:7 Mal 4 Family and Political Values -- Jesus says to hate/abandon your family Luke 14:26, Mat 10:35-36, Mat 19:29. --Call no man on earth your father. Mat 23:9 --Jesus says to honor your parents. Mat 19:19. --No families in heaven. Mark 12:25. --Don't marry 1cor7:1,8,27, Remarry Mat 5:32 --Jesus/NT says to pay taxes and obey the government. Rom 13:1-7, 2Peter 2:10, Mat 22:17-21, Mark 12:17, Luke 20:25. --Jesus is against public prayer. Mat 6:5-6. --Rich can't be Christian. Matt 19:24. --Give all to poor. Luke 18:22. --Lot impregnates his daughters after God kills his wife, then honored. Gen 19. 2Peter 2:7 --a thing is not alive until breathing. Gen 2:7. --Punishment for killing fetus is fine Ex 21,22-25. --Women are worth less and should submit Eph 5:22-24, Col 3:18, 1Cor 11:5-10, 14:34-35. --Become eunuchs (castrated) Mat 19:12 --Sodom not destroyed for homosexuality, not listening to Jesus=greater sin than Sodom's. Ez16:49-5, Luke 10:10-12. --Gay David?1Sam18:1-4,20:3-4,7,41, 2Sam1:25-26 --God makes people gay. Rom 1:26-28. Mythical Creatures. --Giants. Gen 6:4, 1Sam. 17:4. --Ghosts 1Sam 28:8:20 --Demons. Luke 11:14. -- Leviathans. Isaiah 27:1, Job 41:1. -- Dragons. (Revelations). -- Angels. Mat 28:2, Gen 19. --Unicorns. Isaiah 34:7.- --Witches/Mediums Ex22:18 Mic5:12 1Sam28:8-20 --Sorcerers. Ex 7:22, Ex 8:7, Ex 8:18. --Talking Donkeys. Num 23:23-30 -- UFOs. Gen 6:4, 2Kings 2:11, Ezek 10 Super Powers and Magic --A true Christian should be baptized, have faith, cast out demons, speak in tongues, take up serpents, be able to heal the sick, and be completely immune to any poison. Mark 16:16-18 --A true Christian can perform greater miracles than Jesus. John 14:12. --Christians can move mountains and trees by command. Mat 17:20, 21:21 Mark 11:23 Luke 17:6 --Whatever a man asks for he will receive Mat 7:7 --all things are possible with God. Mat 19:26. --God has trouble overcoming iron chariots. Judges 1:19. --Jesus uses magic spells. Mark 6:4-5, 7:33-35, Mark 8:23-25. --Jesus had limited powers. Mark 6:5 --Sorcerers can do the same magic stuff God does. Ex 7:22, Ex 8:7. --Apollonius is just like a Jesus. Science. --7 days, firmament, plant (before the sun), sea creatures, birds, land animals, man and woman together, Gen 1. --1 day, man, plants, all other creatures, woman, knowledge of good and evil given only to a tree at first, flaming sword Gen 2. --7,000 year old earth. --The earth is flat. Mat 4:5-8, Luke 4:5, Isaiah 11:12, Rev 7:1, Dan 4:10-11 --The sun moves around a stationary Earth and the moon has its own light. Isaiah 13:10, Psalm 19:4-5, 1Sam 2:8, 1Chr 16:30, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5. -- Pi = 3. 2Chron 4:2, 1King7:23. --Flood--rainbow Gen9:13, 7 (Gen 7:2) or 2 (Gen 6:19 7:8,9,15) of each animal, lasted 40 (Gen 7:17) or 150 (7:24, 8:3) days, salinity+fish, Australia's animals,deadly parasites, dinosaurs, size+time+feed problem. -- Tower of Bable Linguistics Gen 11. Jesus' Birth --Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit and was a product of virgin birth. Mat 1:18-21 --Jesus was conceived by the seed of David according to the flesh. Rom 1:3 --Heli was the paternal grandfather of Jesus Luke 3:23 --Jacob was the paternal grandfather of Jesus. Mat 1:16, John 4:5. Jesus on a Good Day --love your enemies. Mat 5:43-44. --golden rule Mat 7:12 Luke 6:31 --Judge not. Mat 7:1 --Consider the lilies Luke 12:27, Mat 6:28 --be like children Mat 18:3. --give anything asked of you by anyone. Luke 6:30 --turn other cheek Luke 6:29. --not against me is with me Mark 9:40 Luke 9:50 Jesus on a Bad Day --not with me is against me Mat 12:30, Luke 11:23 --accommodate the wicked and do not resist evil. Mat 5:39-45. --Kill disbeliveers (parable) Luke 19:27. --wicked get eternal torture of Hell. Mark 9:43-48. --Fruit tree hatred. Mark 11:13-14,20. contradicts Mat 21:19-20 --Jesus came to cause strife. Luke 12:51-53, Mat 10:34. -- Jesus says to hate/abandon your family Luke 14:26, Mat 10:35-36, Mat 19:29. --Jesus threatens to kill children Rev 2:23 Seeing God/Jesus --no one has seen God. John 1:18. --Jacob saw God's face. Gen 32:30. --Moses saw his backside. Ex 33:23. --God has dinner with Abraham. Gen 18. --Paul never met Jesus 2Cor 12, Gal 1:11-12 Hopeful Plagiarisms --Jesus + Elijah do the same thing in the same words. 1Kings 17, Luke 7. --Luke + Elijah do the same thing in same words. Ezek 1:1,4:9,4:14, Acts10:11-14 Miscellaneous Contradictions --God will punish son for father's crimes Ex 20:5 --God won't punish son for father's crimes. Ezek 18:20. --Jesus' last words all different. Mat 27:46, Luke 23:46, John 19:30. --Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James go to tomb, find guards and boulder which move after earthquake. One flying angel on bolder tells what happened. Mat 28 --Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome go to tomb, find no guards or bolder and one young man in tomb tell what happened. But women told no one. Mark 16 --Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, Joanna, and some other women go to tomb, and two men in the tomb tell what happened. Luke 24 --Mary goes to the tomb to find nothing, she tells the disciples someone stole body so they go back and again find nothing. The disciples then leave and Jesus appears to tell Mary what happened. John 20 ----older versions of Mark end at Mark 16:8 without anyone seeing the risen Christ. -- Earth will exist forever Eccl 1:4. --Earth will end in Armageddon 2Pet 3:10 --Judas fell and burst open. Act 1:18-19. --Judas hung himself. Mat 27-3:10. --Jesus carries his own cross. John 19:17. --Simon carries Jesus' cross. Mark 15:21-22. --Wisdom is good Prov 3:13, 4:7 --Wisdom is bad 1Cor 1:19 Eccl 1:18 --God had one son 1John 4:9 --God had many sons Gen 6:2,4 Job 1:6, 2:1 --No author was at Jesus' trial yet narrative fabricated to fit OT. Mark 14:50. --Jesus crucified at 9:00am (3rd hour Rom) on Passover. Mark 15:1,25 14:1 --Jesus crucified noon (6th hour Rom) day before Passover. John 19:14. --Virgin birth and the baptism. God and Evil --God admits He created evil. Isaiah 45:7 Amos 3:6 --God sends Satan to ruin Job's life. Job 2:1-7. --God hardens Pharaoh's heart. Ex 9:12, 10:1,20,27, 11:10, 14:8. --God commands/supports slavery. Lev 25:44-46, Ex 21:2-8, Eph 6:5, Col 3:22. --Anti women. 1Cor 14:34, 1Tim 2:9-14, Gen 5:16. --rape rules: Deut 22:23-29, in city man+woman die; in country only man dies; if woman not married then man pays 50 shekels, and they wed. --Anti Jew. 1Thes 2:14,15, Titus 1:10 --God favors neither good nor evil. Mat 5:45. --God created some people predestined to go to hell Rom 8:29-30, Jude 1:4, Mat 7:13-14. --God admits to deceit. 1Kings 22:23. Is 6:10. --Jesus admits to deceit (reason for parables). 2Thess 2:11-12, Mark 4:10-12, Mat 13:10-11 --God sends bears to kill children. 2Kings 2:24. --God commands the killing of babies Num 31:17, Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29, Num 31:17. --Jesus threatens to kill children for mother's crime Rev 2:23 --God/Jesus hate. Rom 9:13, Rev 2:6, Psalm 5:5 --don't associate with people who have different opinions. 2John 1:10-11. 2Cor 6:14-17 --Incestuous Lot revered. 2Peter 2:7 (bribes and threats--heaven and hell) The simple believes every word but the prudent considers well his every step. Prov 14:15 This could help you anger the elder gods more. If Crom cannot grant me my revenge, then to hell with him! Good luck. I feel I should aslo add, that the time Jesus spent being dead, doesn't add up to 3 'days and nights'. Even though that is what should have happened from his own mouth. Let's just assume passover was on a Friday. Assuming he was Crucified at the earliest time mentioned. [Around 9 a.m. or so] He would have been dead about two days when they went to visit his tomb, [sunday morning.] Not three days and nights. In the early church, the Sabbath was 'celebrated' on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Good post, Darth. The Babble is the single best anti-Xian resource; all you need is a keen eye for detail and any copy of that real-world Necronomicon and you can blow any sect of Xianity clear out of the water. Even a single cursory reading of the plain text of the Babble will begin to highlight the genuine horrors Xianity is based on. Good luck, Roger W! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahjong Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 I wonder how you have been doing since April, Roger. Do you visit here anymore? I was one of the people who read my bible and prayed every day. I was not a student of the bible in that I never saw the incongruities mentioned above. However, my own life showed me that neither the bible nor god were improving my lot in life. It took me many years of therapy and this site to pull my fearful ass out of heaven and hell. I may not know anything beyond this life, that is ok. I didn't know anything then, either, and now I can accept that I just don't know. Good luck. MaryJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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