Why Not Just Admit You Don't Know?

[DarthOkkata]

I've been thinking about my religious past as of late. It's a little depressing, but somehow intellectually stimulating.

 

Anyway, when I was about 11, I figured something out about Christians.

 

"The lord works in mysterious ways."

 

"You should have faith."

 

"Trust in the lord."

 

"No one can know God's will."

 

There are a few other similar statements, but they pretty much boil down to the same thing.

 

"I don't know."

 

What is it about this phrase that Christians are so frightened by? They have to create ways to tip toe around saying something like that about faith and god.

 

Asking questions about god and his mysteries usually gets such a responce from any 'true believer'.

 

Repeeated questioning will get you an ourtright, 'You shouldn't question God."

 

Why not?

 

Isn't this just another way of not admiting that you don't know? Is it too embarassing?

 

I mean, if we don't know, shouldn't we ask? You know, try to find out?

 

From my experience, the answer is no.

 

In the end, it boils down to, '

 

-I don't know.

 

-Everything you need is in this book, if it's not, you don't need it.

 

-Asking for more is wrong, shut up and do what we tell you, or you'll be punished. [in this life, or after it.]

 

-Stop asking questions and conform.

 

-Jesus loves you, but he hates questions, things that make sense, and gay people.

 

-Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real.

 

This is the 'Christian' philosophy put into bullet points.

 

Thinking on it now, I've realized the truth.

 

If god is real...he doesn't want us to believe in him. It's the only explination, and all of you Christians are pissing him off and ruining it for him.

 

Ssssshhhhhh! Stop it! Can't you tell Jesus is hiding?

 

Just admit you don't know, then try and find out. Stop punishing children for using their brains just because you're too ignorant to explain why the Bible says the world is flat.

 

Also, you have no sense of humor. I can tell, because if you're Christian, I've just made you angry.

[Evolution_beyond]

-Jesus loves you, but he hates questions, things that make sense, and gay people.

 

This really made me laugh.

 

Can I quote it on the thing that comes up everytime you post (I forget what it's called)?

[DarthOkkata]

-Jesus loves you, but he hates questions, things that make sense, and gay people.

 

This really made me laugh.

 

Can I quote it on the thing that comes up everytime you post (I forget what it's called)?

 

Feel free. I'm assuming you mean the signature. I've got no problem with anyone quoting anything I post here. It just might make someone have a thought. Either that, or it'll upset them. I'm happy either way.

[dr_funkenstein]

You've got it all wrong, Jesus doens't hate gay PEOPLE... he just hates the fact that they're GAY. Cause they CHOSE to be gay, doncha know?

 

Course, if they were just born that way then I guess he does hate them.

 

Course, he doesn't exist and never did.

 

I'm hungry.

[Lycorth]

Course, he doesn't exist and never did.

 

Damn skippy

 

Xians cannot admit they just "don't know." They have to inject "God's Will" or "faith" into the issue, to make it seem like it's all part of some big divine plan. That makes them feel safe - whereas being forced to admit that they truly do not know is unsettling. Humans like to have answers, and humans in deranged dogmatic cults take that need to extremes.

 

Oh, how much better the world would be if Jebus were never conceived of

[Fweethawt]

It takes a bit of honesty to say, "I don't know."

 

One lesson that Christianity doesn't teach, is one about honesty.

[Guest Florida]

"This is the 'Christian' philosophy put into bullet points." No... it is the anti-christian philosophy which is basically "the church" nowdays.

 

"The lord works in mysterious ways." Yeah, but He only performs wonders... not crap.

 

"You should have faith." If your image of God is not perfect... your faith will suck big time.

 

"Trust in the lord." Again... if you trust in a shitty image of God, you are trusting shit.

 

"No one can know God's will." God only has one will... "Life" ... nothing else. He is everlasting life.

 

"You shouldn't question God." You should question everything about God.

 

"Everything you need is in this book, if it's not, you don't need it." Everything you need is inside of you already.

 

"Asking for more is wrong, shut up and do what we tell you, or you'll be punished. [in this life, or after it.]" Life is here. Always ask for more. God does not punish anyone. He already took the punishment.

 

"Stop asking questions and conform." Ask and ask away... be set free from assimilation. Grace should be ever expanding in knowledge.

 

"Jesus loves you, but he hates questions, things that make sense, and gay people." Jesus does not see sin in anyone and you can't truly know Him without questions.

 

"Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real." Jesus doesn't do anything. He's already finished. Enter into grace to know Him.

 

"Ssssshhhhhh! Stop it! Can't you tell Jesus is hiding?" He's only invisible to those who have corrupted His image with hell and death and those who believe them.

 

"Just admit you don't know, then try and find out." I've already found out and I do know and did by questioning Him... not men.

 

"Stop punishing children for using their brains just because you're too ignorant to explain why the Bible says the world is flat." The beast of death lives in shame.

 

"Also, you have no sense of humor. I can tell, because if you're Christian, I've just made you angry. " I'm not in the least offended... but then again, I am free in the finished work of Christ. Nothing can hurt Him again.

[NotBlinded]

"You should have faith." If your image of God is not perfect... your faith will suck big time.

 

"Trust in the lord." Again... if you trust in a shitty image of God, you are trusting shit.

If you have an image of God at all, your God is an idol. Just sayin'...

[Guest Florida]

"You should have faith." If your image of God is not perfect... your faith will suck big time.

 

"Trust in the lord." Again... if you trust in a shitty image of God, you are trusting shit.

If you have an image of God at all, your God is an idol. Just sayin'...

Since my God is in me... does that count when I look in the mirror?

[DarthOkkata]

"This is the 'Christian' philosophy put into bullet points." No... it is the anti-christian philosophy which is basically "the church" nowdays.

 

The church has been this way for thousands of years. It's not a 'new' development.

 

"The lord works in mysterious ways." Yeah, but He only performs wonders... not crap.

 

What wonders? There's no evidence to support any 'mirical or wonder'. Evolution, the big bang, plate tectonics, and genetics are all vastly better explinations.

 

God doesn't explain anything, instead, he needs a huge amount of explaining, and illogical rationalization.

 

"You should have faith." If your image of God is not perfect... your faith will suck big time.

 

Faith sucks either way. Delusions are unhealthy, both to the subject, and those around them.

 

My image of God is an imaginary horrible torturous monster. Just like in the bible. If you think there is an invisible man who lives in the sky, you have a neurological disorder.

 

"Trust in the lord." Again... if you trust in a shitty image of God, you are trusting shit.

 

You're also causing more harm than good by spreading the shit around.

 

"No one can know God's will." God only has one will... "Life" ... nothing else. He is everlasting life.

 

I'm sure god came down out of the sky and explained this to you in detail. Maybe if you wear a tinfoil hat, the voices will stop. O_o

 

"You shouldn't question God." You should question everything about God.

 

Agreed, and if you do, you'll find it doesn't add up.

 

"Everything you need is in this book, if it's not, you don't need it." Everything you need is inside of you already.

 

Agreed. I don't need Jesus, or any other imaginary friend to be a good person. Statistics show that Atheist are more moral than Christians.

 

75% of the US population is Christian.

10% of the US population is Atheist.

 

75% of the prison population is Christian.

0.2% of the prison population is Atheist.

 

"Asking for more is wrong, shut up and do what we tell you, or you'll be punished. [in this life, or after it.]" Life is here. Always ask for more. God does not punish anyone. He already took the punishment.

 

You're right. Hell isn't punishment. Punishment is something you give someone so they will 'learn their lesson'. What lesson are you supposedly going to learn for Eternity? It's just sadism at that point.

 

"Stop asking questions and conform." Ask and ask away... be set free from assimilation. Grace should be ever expanding in knowledge.

 

1 grace, good will, goodwill

a disposition to kindness and compassion; benign good will; "the victor's grace in treating the vanquished"

 

2 grace, grace of God, free grace

(Christian theology) the free and unmerited favor or beneficence of God; "God's grace is manifested in the salvation of sinners"; "there but for the grace of God go I"

 

3 seemliness, grace

a sense of propriety and consideration for others

 

4 grace, gracility

elegance and beauty of movement or expression

 

5 grace, blessing, thanksgiving

a short prayer of thanks before a meal

 

6 Grace

(Greek mythology) one of three sisters who were the givers of beauty and charm; a favorite subject for sculptors

 

7 grace, saving grace, state of grace

(Bhristian theology) a state of sanctification by God; the state of one who under such divine influence; "the conception of grace developed alongside the conception of sin"; "it was debated whether saving grace could be obtained outside the membership of

state

 

1 decorate, adorn, grace, ornament, embellish, beautify

make more attractive by adding ornament, colour, etc.; "Decorate the room for the party"; "beautify yourself for the special day"

 

2 deck, adorn, decorate, grace, embellish, beautify

be beautiful to look at; "Flowers adorned the tables everywhere"

 

In other words, Grace, has nothing to do with knowledge. That statement makes no sense. Grace and Knowledge are seperate issues.

 

"Jesus loves you, but he hates questions, things that make sense, and gay people." Jesus does not see sin in anyone and you can't truly know Him without questions.

 

Fine. Explain these:

 

--God admits He created evil. Isaiah 45:7 Amos 3:6

 

--God sends Satan to ruin Job's life. Job 2:1-7.

 

--God hardens Pharaoh's heart. Ex 9:12,

10:1,20,27, 11:10, 14:8.

 

--God commands/supports slavery.

Lev 25:44-46, Ex 21:2-8, Eph 6:5, Col 3:22.

 

--Anti women. 1Cor 14:34, 1Tim 2:9-14, Gen 5:16.

 

--rape rules: Deut 22:23-29, in city man+woman

die; in country only man dies; if woman not

married then man pays 50 shekels, and they wed.

 

--Anti Jew. 1Thes 2:14,15, Titus 1:10

 

--God favors neither good nor evil. Mat 5:45.

 

--God created some people predestined to go to

hell Rom 8:29-30, Jude 1:4, Mat 7:13-14.

 

--God admits to deceit. 1Kings 22:23. Is 6:10.

 

--Jesus admits to deceit (reason for parables).

2Thess 2:11-12, Mark 4:10-12, Mat 13:10-11

 

--God sends bears to kill children. 2Kings 2:24.

 

--God commands the killing of babies Num 31:17,

Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29, Num 31:17.

 

--Jesus threatens to kill children for mother's

crime Rev 2:23

 

--God/Jesus hate. Rom 9:13, Rev 2:6, Psalm 5:5

 

--don't associate with people who have different

opinions. 2John 1:10-11. 2Cor 6:14-17

 

--Incestuous Lot revered. 2Peter 2:7

 

Who You Should Kill

 

--Unruly or rebellious child. Deut 21:20-21

 

--Those who curse or hit their parents. Lev 20:9,

Ex 21:15

 

--Worshipers of other gods. Deut 13:6-11

 

--psychics, witches. Lev 20:27, Deut 13:6-11,

Ex 22:18.

 

--Those who do not believe in Jesus (parable).

Luke 19:27.

 

--Those who work on the Sabbath. Ex 35:2

Moses kills a gentile for this. Num 15:32-36.

 

--Those who are accused by at least two people

of wickedness. Deut 17:6.

 

--The children and babies of enemies.

Num 31:17,Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29.

 

--Adulterers. Lev 20:10.

 

--Homosexuals. Lev 20:13.

 

--A woman who is not a virgin when married.

Deut 22:13-21.

 

--Those who are careless with murderous

livestock. Exodus 21:29.

 

Who You Should Hate

 

--Those who eat crab or shrimp. Lev 11:10.

 

--Those who sacrifice an animal to God that

has a blemish. Deut 17:1.

 

--Those who remarry the same person after

divorce. Deut 24:4.

 

--Homosexuals. Lev 18:22.

 

--Those who are proud. Prov 16:5.

 

--A woman who wears pants. Deut 22:5.

 

--A man with long hair (Jesus?). 1Cor 11:14

contradicts Num 6:5, 1Sam 1:11, Jug 13:5.

 

--those who call others fools Mat 5:22

 

Should we still do this stuff?

 

--All OT laws still apply in NT. Matt 5:17-19

Contradicted in part by Mat 5:38-39

 

Doomsday Cult

 

--Jesus/Bible claims the end is near + in our past

Mark9:1 Mat16:27-28 Luke 9:26-27 Luke 21:32

Mat 24:34 John 5:25-29 James 5:8 1John 2:18

1Pet 4:7 Mal 4

 

Family and Political Values

 

-- Jesus says to hate/abandon your family

Luke 14:26, Mat 10:35-36, Mat 19:29.

 

--Call no man on earth your father. Mat 23:9

 

--Jesus says to honor your parents. Mat 19:19.

 

--No families in heaven. Mark 12:25.

 

--Don't marry 1cor7:1,8,27, Remarry Mat 5:32

 

--Jesus/NT says to pay taxes and obey the

government. Rom 13:1-7, 2Peter 2:10,

Mat 22:17-21, Mark 12:17, Luke 20:25.

 

--Jesus is against public prayer. Mat 6:5-6.

 

--Rich can't be Christian. Matt 19:24.

 

--Give all to poor. Luke 18:22.

 

--Lot impregnates his daughters after God kills

his wife, then honored. Gen 19. 2Peter 2:7

 

--a thing is not alive until breathing. Gen 2:7.

 

--Punishment for killing fetus is fine Ex 21,22-25.

 

--Women are worth less and should submit Eph

5:22-24, Col 3:18, 1Cor 11:5-10, 14:34-35.

 

--Become eunuchs (castrated) Mat 19:12

 

--Sodom not destroyed for homosexuality, not

listening to Jesus=greater sin than Sodom's.

Ez16:49-5, Luke 10:10-12.

 

--Gay David?1Sam18:1-4,20:3-4,7,41, 2Sam1:25-26

 

--God makes people gay. Rom 1:26-28.

 

Mythical Creatures.

 

--Giants. Gen 6:4, 1Sam. 17:4.

 

--Ghosts 1Sam 28:8:20

 

--Demons. Luke 11:14.

 

-- Leviathans. Isaiah 27:1, Job 41:1.

 

-- Dragons. (Revelations).

 

-- Angels. Mat 28:2, Gen 19.

 

--Unicorns. Isaiah 34:7.-

 

--Witches/Mediums Ex22:18 Mic5:12 1Sam28:8-20

 

--Sorcerers. Ex 7:22, Ex 8:7, Ex 8:18.

 

--Talking Donkeys. Num 23:23-30

 

-- UFOs. Gen 6:4, 2Kings 2:11, Ezek 10

 

Super Powers and Magic

 

--A true Christian should be baptized, have faith,

cast out demons, speak in tongues, take up

serpents, be able to heal the sick, and be

completely immune to any poison. Mark 16:16-18

 

--A true Christian can perform greater miracles

than Jesus. John 14:12.

 

--Christians can move mountains and trees by

command. Mat 17:20, 21:21 Mark 11:23 Luke 17:6

 

--Whatever a man asks for he will receive Mat 7:7

 

--all things are possible with God. Mat 19:26.

 

--God has trouble overcoming iron chariots.

Judges 1:19.

 

--Jesus uses magic spells. Mark 6:4-5, 7:33-35,

Mark 8:23-25.

 

--Jesus had limited powers. Mark 6:5

 

--Sorcerers can do the same magic stuff God does.

Ex 7:22, Ex 8:7.

 

--Apollonius is just like a Jesus.

 

Science.

 

--7 days, firmament, plant (before the sun), sea

creatures, birds, land animals, man and woman

together, Gen 1.

 

--1 day, man, plants, all other creatures, woman,

knowledge of good and evil given only to a tree

at first, flaming sword Gen 2.

 

--7,000 year old earth.

 

--The earth is flat. Mat 4:5-8, Luke 4:5,

Isaiah 11:12, Rev 7:1, Dan 4:10-11

 

--The sun moves around a stationary Earth and

the moon has its own light. Isaiah 13:10,

Psalm 19:4-5, 1Sam 2:8, 1Chr 16:30,

Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5.

 

-- Pi = 3. 2Chron 4:2, 1King7:23.

 

--Flood--rainbow Gen9:13, 7 (Gen 7:2) or

2 (Gen 6:19 7:8,9,15) of each animal, lasted 40

(Gen 7:17) or 150 (7:24, 8:3) days, salinity+fish,

Australia's animals,deadly parasites, dinosaurs,

size+time+feed problem.

 

-- Tower of Bable Linguistics Gen 11.

 

Jesus' Birth

 

--Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit and was a

product of virgin birth. Mat 1:18-21

 

--Jesus was conceived by the seed of David

according to the flesh. Rom 1:3

 

--Heli was the paternal grandfather of Jesus

Luke 3:23

 

--Jacob was the paternal grandfather of Jesus.

Mat 1:16, John 4:5.

 

Jesus on a Good Day

 

--love your enemies. Mat 5:43-44.

 

--golden rule Mat 7:12 Luke 6:31

 

--Judge not. Mat 7:1

 

--Consider the lilies Luke 12:27, Mat 6:28

 

--be like children Mat 18:3.

 

--give anything asked of you by anyone. Luke 6:30

 

--turn other cheek Luke 6:29.

 

--not against me is with me Mark 9:40 Luke 9:50

 

Jesus on a Bad Day

 

--not with me is against me Mat 12:30, Luke 11:23

 

--accommodate the wicked and do not resist

evil. Mat 5:39-45.

 

--Kill disbeliveers (parable) Luke 19:27.

 

--wicked get eternal torture of Hell. Mark 9:43-48.

 

--Fruit tree hatred. Mark 11:13-14,20.

contradicts Mat 21:19-20

 

--Jesus came to cause strife. Luke 12:51-53,

Mat 10:34.

 

-- Jesus says to hate/abandon your family

Luke 14:26, Mat 10:35-36, Mat 19:29.

 

--Jesus threatens to kill children Rev 2:23

 

Seeing God/Jesus

 

--no one has seen God. John 1:18.

 

--Jacob saw God's face. Gen 32:30.

 

--Moses saw his backside. Ex 33:23.

 

--God has dinner with Abraham. Gen 18.

 

--Paul never met Jesus 2Cor 12, Gal 1:11-12

 

Hopeful Plagiarisms

 

--Jesus + Elijah do the same thing in the same

words. 1Kings 17, Luke 7.

 

--Luke + Elijah do the same thing in same

words. Ezek 1:1,4:9,4:14, Acts10:11-14

 

Miscellaneous Contradictions

 

--God will punish son for father's crimes Ex 20:5

 

--God won't punish son for father's crimes.

Ezek 18:20.

 

--Jesus' last words all different. Mat 27:46,

Luke 23:46, John 19:30.

 

--Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James

go to tomb, find guards and boulder which move

after earthquake. One flying angel on bolder tells

what happened. Mat 28

 

--Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James,

and Salome go to tomb, find no guards or bolder

and one young man in tomb tell what happened.

But women told no one. Mark 16

 

--Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, Joanna,

and some other women go to tomb, and two men

in the tomb tell what happened. Luke 24

 

--Mary goes to the tomb to find nothing, she

tells the disciples someone stole body so they go

back and again find nothing. The disciples then

leave and Jesus appears to tell Mary what

happened. John 20

 

----older versions of Mark end at Mark 16:8

without anyone seeing the risen Christ.

 

-- Earth will exist forever Eccl 1:4.

 

--Earth will end in Armageddon 2Pet 3:10

 

--Judas fell and burst open. Act 1:18-19.

 

--Judas hung himself. Mat 27-3:10.

 

--Jesus carries his own cross. John 19:17.

 

--Simon carries Jesus' cross. Mark 15:21-22.

 

--Wisdom is good Prov 3:13, 4:7

 

--Wisdom is bad 1Cor 1:19 Eccl 1:18

 

--God had one son 1John 4:9

 

--God had many sons Gen 6:2,4 Job 1:6, 2:1

 

--No author was at Jesus' trial yet narrative

fabricated to fit OT. Mark 14:50.

 

--Jesus crucified at 9:00am (3rd hour Rom) on

Passover. Mark 15:1,25 14:1

 

--Jesus crucified noon (6th hour Rom) day before

Passover. John 19:14.

 

--Virgin birth and the baptism.

God and Evil

 

--God admits He created evil. Isaiah 45:7 Amos 3:6

 

--God sends Satan to ruin Job's life. Job 2:1-7.

 

--God hardens Pharaoh's heart. Ex 9:12,

10:1,20,27, 11:10, 14:8.

 

--God commands/supports slavery.

Lev 25:44-46, Ex 21:2-8, Eph 6:5, Col 3:22.

 

--Anti women. 1Cor 14:34, 1Tim 2:9-14, Gen 5:16.

 

--rape rules: Deut 22:23-29, in city man+woman

die; in country only man dies; if woman not

married then man pays 50 shekels, and they wed.

 

--Anti Jew. 1Thes 2:14,15, Titus 1:10

 

--God favors neither good nor evil. Mat 5:45.

 

--God created some people predestined to go to

hell Rom 8:29-30, Jude 1:4, Mat 7:13-14.

 

--God admits to deceit. 1Kings 22:23. Is 6:10.

 

--Jesus admits to deceit (reason for parables).

2Thess 2:11-12, Mark 4:10-12, Mat 13:10-11

 

--God sends bears to kill children. 2Kings 2:24.

 

--God commands the killing of babies Num 31:17,

Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29, Num 31:17.

 

--Jesus threatens to kill children for mother's

crime Rev 2:23

 

--God/Jesus hate. Rom 9:13, Rev 2:6, Psalm 5:5

 

--don't associate with people who have different

opinions. 2John 1:10-11. 2Cor 6:14-17

 

--Incestuous Lot revered. 2Peter 2:7

 

The simple believes every word but the prudent

considers well his every step. Prov 14:15

 

from:

 

http://www.exchristian.net/exchristian/200...llection-of.php

 

 

I feel I should aslo add, that the time Jesus spent being dead, doesn't add up to 3 'days and nights'. Even though that is what should have happened from his own mouth.

 

Let's just assume passover was on a Friday. Assuming he was Crucified at the earliest time mentioned. [Around 9 a.m. or so] He would have been dead about two days when they went to visit his tomb, [sunday morning.] Not three days and nights. In the early church, the Sabbath was 'celebrated' on Saturday.

 

"Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real." Jesus doesn't do anything. He's already finished. Enter into grace to know Him.

 

So why bother with worshiping him? He was kind of a jerk. All he did was go around telling people they were evil and dirty, and that they should do what he said or he'd throw them into a pit of fire someday.

 

Think about it like this: Some one at work comes in every day and says "I'm the greatest fucker here, and all you sniviling shits would die without me! Now do what I say or I'll dunk your head in a deep fat frier!" to everyone he meets.

 

Sound like a likable guy?

 

"Ssssshhhhhh! Stop it! Can't you tell Jesus is hiding?" He's only invisible to those who have corrupted His image with hell and death and those who believe them.

 

So, you've seen Jesus? O_o I think you need to get back on your meds if you have.

 

"Just admit you don't know, then try and find out." I've already found out and I do know and did by questioning Him... not men.

 

Then your logic circuits are broken. Asking intelligent questions won't get you answers about god. Only asking stupid ones such as 'how much does Jesus love me?' will get you the answers you seek. I should also add, that if you're really hearing voices, you really should seek psycological help. No joke here. Really.

 

"Stop punishing children for using their brains just because you're too ignorant to explain why the Bible says the world is flat." The beast of death lives in shame.

 

??? What the hell does that mean? Could it be...SATAN? Your argument is irrational, and sounds crazy. It makes no real sense and sounds archaic for no real reason.

 

"Also, you have no sense of humor. I can tell, because if you're Christian, I've just made you angry. " I'm not in the least offended... but then again, I am free in the finished work of Christ. Nothing can hurt Him again.

 

Right. You can't hurt something that isn't there. I was a Christian for years, there's nothing you've said I haven't heard before, and it still makes no sense. Most of your answers were nonsensical and vague. You need rational tangible evidence here. We've all heard your thin vague arguments before, and they just don't hold water.

 

If you try these thin, weak attempts at persuasion here, you're just going to hit a wall. We've got real science on our side, with actual evidence that points to resonable and rational conclusions. The answers you gave sound flimsy and crazy, with no real definition or meaning behind your little 'catch phrases'.

 

Also, if you really believe in Jesus, you should change your '1 god' on your beliefs into '3 gods', or '3 in 1'. Holy 'trinity' remember?

 

You should get a new mascot, one that looks less tortured on display, and also less Italian. Jesus was a Jew.

[Lycorth]

If you have an image of God at all, your God is an idol. Just sayin'...

 

And since Jebus said that not one letter of the law will pass away, and that he came to fulfill (not do away with) said law, any pictures of the Lord Enslaver are strictly verboten.

 

Try telling that to a Xian

[NotBlinded]

If you have an image of God at all, your God is an idol. Just sayin'...

 

And since Jebus said that not one letter of the law will pass away, and that he came to fulfill (not do away with) said law, any pictures of the Lord Enslaver are strictly verboten.

 

Try telling that to a Xian

I agree, if one believes Jesus is God. They don't like that and deny that is what they are doing because God told them what He looked like.

 

This is what really throws me; they hate idols made of material but the image that was given to the material had to have its start in someone's mind first.

[NotBlinded]

"You should have faith." If your image of God is not perfect... your faith will suck big time.

 

"Trust in the lord." Again... if you trust in a shitty image of God, you are trusting shit.

If you have an image of God at all, your God is an idol. Just sayin'...

Since my God is in me... does that count when I look in the mirror?

By the way Florida, welcome to the site.

 

I'm really interested in poking around to see what your beliefs are.

 

I also believe that whatever energy there is that sustains life is also in me and everything else. I don't see Jesus as the son of God (any more so than anything else). I see him as a person that was trying to get people connected with the Source. So asking Jesus for anything is not a reasonable thing to do, IMO. If God is in us, why look outside of us for help? (Note my signature )

 

I look forward to more insight from you.

[Gary Thompson]

-Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real.

 

A trixy one indeed.

[Evolution_beyond]

-Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real.

 

A trixy one indeed.

 

Yay! Gollum!

 

He's like my role model (wierd, ain't I?)

[Gary Thompson]

-Jesus plants false evidence on Earth, so you'll think he's not real.

 

A trixy one indeed.

 

Yay! Gollum!

 

He's like my role model (wierd, ain't I?)

 

I couldn't help it. The first thing I thought of when I read about Jesus planting fake evidence on Earth to test our faith was Gollum saying, "Trixy hobbitses!"

[Grandpa Harley]

75% of the US population is Christian.

10% of the US population is Atheist.

 

75% of the prison population is Christian.

0.2% of the prison population is Atheist.

 

I was told the high number of Christians in jail was due to the great 'out reach' projects...With the 90% recidivist rate that I pointed out, they went mysteriously quiet, and never mentioned it again.

[Amethyst]

Because if they admit they don't know, that's doubt and it means they'll get sent to hell. At least, for the fundies.

[R. S. Martin]

I've been thinking about my religious past as of late. It's a little depressing, but somehow intellectually stimulating.

 

Anyway, when I was about 11, I figured something out about Christians.

 

"The lord works in mysterious ways."

 

"You should have faith."

 

"Trust in the lord."

 

"No one can know God's will."

 

There are a few other similar statements, but they pretty much boil down to the same thing.

 

"I don't know."

 

So THAT'S why they attack me whenever I ask for the evidence behind those answers???

 

What an insight!

 

I could never figure it out. THANKS!

 

They'd just make me out to be this stupid moron. Well, excuse me, but what better anti-dote for ignorance than asking questions about stuff I don't know??? They professed to know all this stuff. So why can't they just share it with me? It's not like I ever pretended to be smart or anything...

[Guest Florida]

You should get a new mascot, one that looks less tortured on display, and also less Italian. Jesus was a Jew.

You must have me confused with someone who tortured you. Also, I have no idea about what the heck you are ranting about and am thinking that you have way to much time on your hands. Please get a job. :wink:

[Guest Florida]

By the way Florida, welcome to the site.

 

I'm really interested in poking around to see what your beliefs are.

 

I also believe that whatever energy there is that sustains life is also in me and everything else. I don't see Jesus as the son of God (any more so than anything else). I see him as a person that was trying to get people connected with the Source. So asking Jesus for anything is not a reasonable thing to do, IMO. If God is in us, why look outside of us for help? (Note my signature )

 

I look forward to more insight from you.

 

Nice to meet you too. Oh... and I like being poked.

 

I will tell you nothing that "the church of the assimilated christians of hell and death" would tell you.

[Grandpa Harley]

The green elf looks ok on my screen...

[white_raven23]

You should get a new mascot, one that looks less tortured on display, and also less Italian. Jesus was a Jew.

You must have me confused with someone who tortured you. Also, I have no idea about what the heck you are ranting about and am thinking that you have way to much time on your hands. Please get a job. :wink:

 

Ah.....

 

"Get a job (or another job....an assumption of unemployment in members would be presumptuous and ignorant of course) you have too much time on your hands."

 

Do you even realize what you are saying?

 

"You think too much"

"If you were doing more, you wouldn't have time to question god"

"I don't think you should question god."

"God is in me."

"When you question god, you are questioning me."

"You shouldn't question me (I'm god)."

"If you had more to do, you wouldn't have time or opportunity to ask questions or make comments that bother me, because if I had more to do, I wouldn't have time to think, so you cannot be any different."

 

 

Nice.

 

And this post is coming from a member who makes over 47,000 a year...not including the 22% of gross going directly into a 401K. Yet I seem to find time to think.

[Grandpa Harley]

You should pay a man to do it for you... It works for Christians

[Guest Florida]

You should get a new mascot, one that looks less tortured on display, and also less Italian. Jesus was a Jew.

You must have me confused with someone who tortured you. Also, I have no idea about what the heck you are ranting about and am thinking that you have way to much time on your hands. Please get a job. :wink:

 

Ah.....

 

"Get a job (or another job....an assumption of unemployment in members would be presumptuous and ignorant of course) you have too much time on your hands."

 

Do you even realize what you are saying?

 

"You think too much"

"If you were doing more, you wouldn't have time to question god"

"I don't think you should question god."

"God is in me."

"When you question god, you are questioning me."

"You shouldn't question me (I'm god)."

"If you had more to do, you wouldn't have time or opportunity to ask questions or make comments that bother me, because if I had more to do, I wouldn't have time to think, so you cannot be any different."

 

 

Nice.

 

And this post is coming from a member who makes over 47,000 a year...not including the 22% of gross going directly into a 401K. Yet I seem to find time to think.

 

The get a job thing was a joke. (Notice wink) I was trying to get you to lighten up. From what I could make of your post, it was frighteningly up-tight. Thinking is a good thing if it is creative.