Tyson Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. - I Corinthians 7:2 Paraphrased, what this actually is saying is, to avoid committing sexual sin, find somebody to get married to or in other words, get married if you want to have sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I'm certain of it. Personally, with my ex and I, we had much trouble in our relationship because we both wanted to fool around yet weren't married. I, despite my devotion to Xianity at the time, could overlook it enough to get physical, but she rarely could follow suit. And we never got to the point of sex. The fallout: many arguments and much off-and-on status between us, partially as a result of the fear and such that passages like that contain. She would freak out about us "fornicating" as if what we were doing (not being actual sex, mind you, but some fun finger and mouth work ) was enough not just to damn us eternally, but also destroy the planet ten times over. I can only imagine how much more traumatic this must be for people who have actually gone all the way and then had the guilt-attacks. As usual, the "moral" passages in the Babble only display the extent of the spiritual totalitarianism that is Xianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 I'm certain of it. Personally, with my ex and I, we had much trouble in our relationship because we both wanted to fool around yet weren't married. I, despite my devotion to Xianity at the time, could overlook it enough to get physical, but she rarely could follow suit. And we never got to the point of sex. The fallout: many arguments and much off-and-on status between us, partially as a result of the fear and such that passages like that contain. She would freak out about us "fornicating" as if what we were doing (not being actual sex, mind you, but some fun finger and mouth work ) was enough not just to damn us eternally, but also destroy the planet ten times over. I can only imagine how much more traumatic this must be for people who have actually gone all the way and then had the guilt-attacks. As usual, the "moral" passages in the Babble only display the extent of the spiritual totalitarianism that is Xianity Exactly where I was going with this. Now read this article. It comes from my end of the world so I a VERY familiar with this kind of thinking as I have seen it firsthand: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/200...lead/lead4.html The failure of Christian marriages published: Sunday | May 6, 2007 Mark Titus, Sunday Gleaner Writer For many married couples, wedding-day bliss later turns into the blues.- file WESTERN BUREAU: While the Church continues to preach Hell's damnation on fornicators and adulterers, sex remains a forbidden issue for many pastors. This is believed to have led to the high rate of failed marriages among churchgoers, who are sometimes coerced into holy matrimony by 'divine matchmakers', who themselves sometimes have a history of failed or unhappy unions. Carlbecame a Christian at the age of 19; he says the elders of the church never spoke about sex. "You would hear about fornication and adultery, that we will go to Hell if we defiled the temple of the Holy Ghost (the body), but no one came to us one on one about the problems that would face us," he tellsThe Sunday Gleaner. "My desire for sex peaked and I immediately started to think about marriage. As youngsters in the church we were of the opinion that 'tying the knot' was a licence to have sex as much as we wanted to, and would solve all the problems." "'It is better to marry than to burn', was a quotation by the Apostle Paul that was used to push us towards marriage," he recalled. "I simply understood this to mean that if I have a problem with sex, I should find a woman and get married, and I don't think there can be any other interpretation." One year later he was married to Sheryl, the church's choir director. They were confident they were doing the right thing, as elders in the church endorsed the union 'through prophesy'. Sheryl says her marriage was like a fairytale at first. Nightmare "For the first three months, he could not take his hands off me, we did every thing together," she recalls. "Things were perfect, a dream, but after that the nightmare began." "Carl started to find fault with everything. We argued about anything you can think of, and to make matters worse, sex was just intercourse; we did not make love anymore," she relates. "Suddenly he could not speak on his cellphone in my presence, while taking calls any hours of the night and I became suspicious of his every move." "It suddenly struck me that I knew nothing about him. What are his long-term goals? How many kids he wanted? We were not prepared. "When I finally decided to speak with my pastor's wife about our problems, all she said to me was that we should fast and pray about it, it was the Devil." "Carl and I have since separated, and now have to be going through the ordeal of a divorce. This is the hardest part, and there is no one in the church to stand with you because divorce is not allowed." Associate counselling psychologist at Family Life Ministries, Jennifer James, says a decision to marry is complex. "Just saying that both of you are Christians does not mean that you are going to have a wonderfulmarriage," the psychologist explains. "There are a lot of persons that share the same Christian values, but are not compatible. That is why it is important to have premarital counselling." "When both parties in a relationship begin to question whether there is a future in the union, it can then be defined as a failed marriage," she notes. In the United States, divorce rate is used as the index for failed marriages, but James disagrees. "Some people equate failed marriages with divorce, but that is not necessarily so," she said. "The incidence of divorce in and out of the church is very much comparable." "In Jamaica, the divorce taboo is still strong in the church, as much as sex is. There are a lot of persons living together saying they are married, some even cohabiting in the same household, but their marriages are not a success." The psychologist pointed out that while the Church has a responsibility to speak on the issue of sex, the family's failure to teach the society about the subject must not be ignored. Some parents at fault "The same criticisms that are levelled at church leaders can be said about many parents, as they too are not comfortable with their own sexuality and as a result, refuse to talk about it." "Most of our youngsters get their sex education from school, a clinical- type biology; what they are not getting is the relationship or the value part of sex," she stated. Mrs. James said that the family and the school's failure to teach the values of sex, and the warped, biased and commercialised version from the media have resulted in persons not thinking highly of sex. "The value side is neglected, and that is where the Church needs to have a very strong input, because God has a lot to say about marriage and sex." "Christian marriages are supposed to typify what the ideal marriage should be and demonstrate Christ's relationship with the Church, but this is not happening. The Church has failed in this regard." This sensitive and controversial issue, according to James, canonly be properly addressed when ministers of religion come to grips with their own sexuality, and the place sex holds in a person's life. Not real names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Florida Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. - I Corinthians 7:2 Paraphrased, what this actually is saying is, to avoid committing sexual sin, find somebody to get married to or in other words, get married if you want to have sex. The bible also says that God is married to us. That means the marriage bed is holy... no matter who I sleep with. Holy sex is the best kind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted May 9, 2007 Author Share Posted May 9, 2007 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. - I Corinthians 7:2 Paraphrased, what this actually is saying is, to avoid committing sexual sin, find somebody to get married to or in other words, get married if you want to have sex. The bible also says that God is married to us. That means the marriage bed is holy... no matter who I sleep with. Holy sex is the best kind... '...God is married to us???" What the hell does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Florida Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. - I Corinthians 7:2 Paraphrased, what this actually is saying is, to avoid committing sexual sin, find somebody to get married to or in other words, get married if you want to have sex. The bible also says that God is married to us. That means the marriage bed is holy... no matter who I sleep with. Holy sex is the best kind... '...God is married to us???" What the hell does that mean? Whatever you want it to mean. Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 This is S-O-O-O-O-O true! Saving sex for marriage just causes people to mary for sex. I think it may have worked in the Dark Ages, when you weren't likely to live much past 25 anyhow, but now, when you expect to be making a committment for 50 years or more, the whole concept just falls apart. Though proponents of abstinence-until-marriage will never realize it, their philosophy actually cheapens marriage, rather than "sanctify" (whatever the hell that means) it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixentrox Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Jesus want to marry you and fuck you.......kinda like that girl in Exorcist stabbing her crotch with a crucifix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 This is S-O-O-O-O-O true! Saving sex for marriage just causes people to mary for sex. I think it may have worked in the Dark Ages, when you weren't likely to live much past 25 anyhow, but now, when you expect to be making a committment for 50 years or more, the whole concept just falls apart. Though proponents of abstinence-until-marriage will never realize it, their philosophy actually cheapens marriage, rather than "sanctify" (whatever the hell that means) it. TBH, certainly in the Old World, that sort of thing only really bit hard in the 19th Century... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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