gusdafa Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin This passage says that whoever denies or doubts one of gods 3-in-1 personalities will be guilty, so does that mean former atheists and believers who professed their doubt in god once are guilty and therefore not forgiven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Pyramid Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 I' e always wondered why the unforgivable sin is always interpreted figuratively rather than literally; I.E. rejecting christ is unforgivable rather than just out right saying "The holy spirit is of the Devil"... Also, it doesn't seem right, if it's unforgivable then it's on God's part, but since it's on our part that makes God's plan an impossibility(so to speak) then it's not really unforgivable... It's just ignorance(from that perspective) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Yeah, this is a sticky one. Waaaaaaay back when, the "spirit" would have been something more of the "inner essence" of a being and not something "out there" from a god so I would imagine cursing oneself would be a crappy thing to do. But the xians crapped it all up as usual and now it's a magical ghost that impregnates the gals (this god really doesn't believe in birth control...so take your pills girls) when they least expect it (unless Mary diddled her way to pregnancy?). Going apostate is covered under a different "you blew it" rule but it's equally damning. Once you go apostate you'll never go back is the gist of it. Which means all those who do return are just faking it if they truly left. Of course they can claim they never believed in the first place and so where never truly apostate and so now they're truly believers. It boggles the mind. If they never believed then did "blaspheming" count? It did for A&E in the garden when they did what they did without knowledge so I'd say so but when 10% of your income is on the line to the church they can figure out anything to get you in the seat. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusdafa Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Yeah, I got a "certain situations apply" comment from someone I am conversing with... man, twist the scripture and twist the science to fit in that all-gravy-im-going-to-heaven world view. I asked what the situations are and "it is up to god" was the reply. - why do I even bother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piprus Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Yeah, this is a sticky one. Waaaaaaay back when, the "spirit" would have been something more of the "inner essence" of a being and not something "out there" from a god so I would imagine cursing oneself would be a crappy thing to do. But the xians crapped it all up as usual and now it's a magical ghost that impregnates the gals (this god really doesn't believe in birth control...so take your pills girls) when they least expect it (unless Mary diddled her way to pregnancy?). Going apostate is covered under a different "you blew it" rule but it's equally damning. Once you go apostate you'll never go back is the gist of it. Which means all those who do return are just faking it if they truly left. Of course they can claim they never believed in the first place and so where never truly apostate and so now they're truly believers. It boggles the mind. If they never believed then did "blaspheming" count? It did for A&E in the garden when they did what they did without knowledge so I'd say so but when 10% of your income is on the line to the church they can figure out anything to get you in the seat. mwc How many posts have we seen in the Lions Den on this topic? How many posts have come in from fundies that said, in essence, "you were never 'saved' to begin with?" Just another apologetic, really. As if to say, we could not possibly have commited that "unforgivable" sin, because we didn't have the right attitude, or we weren't sincere enough, or whatever. Hearkens back to that "once saved, always saved", attitude. At the end of the day, fundies just can't accept the fact that some people, despite their commitment to xianity, can learn to think their way through it, and reject their commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingMyReligion Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 They always told me the unforgivable sin was suicide. So which one is it, atheism or suicide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nude Disintegrating Parachutist Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 Well I suspect they would consider atheism to be religious suicide, so.....either will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 They always told me the unforgivable sin was suicide. So which one is it, atheism or suicide? Isn't atheism "spiritual" suicide? I was always told suicide was the unforgivable sin as well. I was told that it was because it was a violation of "Thou shalt not kill" and you couldn't repent (you're dead). I figured that a slow, but irreversible, death would be the best route then...something like poison. That way you still die but you have time to repent. Problem solved. This issue caused me many problems though because I thought about what would happen if I died suddenly, like in a car accident, but in a state of "sin?" That's the same thing isn't it? I wouldn't have time to repent and so I'd die unforgiven and off to hell with me. Needless to say this caused me a lot of stress for many years. I practiced reciting asking for forgiveness in my mind and got really good at doing it very quickly. I could do it repeatedly (thank you OCD) so that I was "covered" most of the time and for things I may not have even been aware I had done (those "unknown" sins are the ones that get you). mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 15, 2007 Share Posted May 15, 2007 They always told me the unforgivable sin was suicide. So which one is it, atheism or suicide? Isn't atheism "spiritual" suicide? Actually, it's "spiritual" freedom! I just can't help but to disagree with you mwc. You take it so well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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