Antlerman Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 There is some interesting stuff for us though in the conversation we've had, and he may not have logged in, but he'll be lurking. Vanity being what it is True, he could just be lurking as guest without logging in. In which case he should go hang is head in shame somewhere on how bad of job he did witnessing for Jesus. You know, I've noticed a trend here now. There used to be lots of evangelists who took us on full bore, with pages after pages of debate (granted it was more a massacre than debate), but they used to come. Now the only things we get is Muslims or post and flee weak-kneed Christians. What's up with that? Has word gotten out over at Christian Forums that you'll loose your faith if you try to defend it over here or something? I miss a good debate. I think that's what disappoints me about this sorry excuse of a Christian apologist here. Maybe we should start acting more vulnerable, like dying fish or something? Here, I'll start: "Oh, you know despite all my intellect, I can still feel "something" in my heart. Maybe it's the Lord Jesus trying to talk to me?" Ok, bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 You're a ruthless man. I admire that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 "But name one christian that isn't" My old pal Fr. Richard Fr. Charlie Maurice B. Crystal W. Bishop John Shelby Spong Why Christianity Must Change or Die is an awesome book. I love the way he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 The Sins of the Scriptures is a better one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 The Sins of the Scriptures is a better one Really? I loved that book. Okay, it's in my wish list along with a couple of others from him. I'll get that one first though. Dang! I wish I was rich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Just my opinion. I think even Spong's view of Christianity would result in what we have now in just over a century if it suddenly became de rigeur tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Just my opinion. I think even Spong's view of Christianity would result in what we have now in just over a century if it suddenly became de rigeur tomorrow... Well, that is just a horrible thought. Surely understanding wouldn't allow that without some kind of deceit (again)...would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Why not? I don't know...I would like to "think" that people have the ability to discern without there being some kind of purposeful deceit involved. If left to their own, surely they can...well...oh man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBlinded Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Maybe it depends if people actually understand what he's saying? Once the "ears" can hear??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Hope is good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Hope is good... Perhaps it's one of the best of things. Some shrug off hope as the last refuge of the powerless, but not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 The Greeks claimed that as Pandora closed the box, Hope was the last thing out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 The Greeks claimed that as Pandora closed the box, Hope was the last thing out... That is very interesting Gramps, thank you. You are a virtual fountain of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Thx... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen666 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 I am not even bothering to respond just a hit and run Christian. Typical trash that comes here at least if you want to fight, fight! I am not bothering responding to this joke of a poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 But... but... you... oh... never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOkkata Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 I am not even bothering to respond just a hit and run Christian. Typical trash that comes here at least if you want to fight, fight! I am not bothering responding to this joke of a poster. Yes! YES! I too refuse to respond to this thread at all! I won't post a single word here, not one I tell you! Take that fundy boob! Bwahahahahahahaaa! Now we know who really is more intelligent! Take that! That'll teach em, no way they can argue if I say nothing at all! In fact, they won't even know I read the post at all! This fundy has been ignored, and will spend the rest of their life without the benifit of any of my wisdom! Deluded fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill F Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Hi all My first post, as you can see. I guess Marv is long since gone, as indicated in the opening post, so perhaps I could mainly address this to any other Christian readers. Apologies to regulars if what I'm going to say is old hat on here, but I think RubySera was on the right lines when referring to Jesus' comments about offending. My initial impression on quickly reading some threads is that some/most Christian posters don't seem to take on board the comments from ex-Christian members about posting in the manner that they do. Can I therefore point them to what Jesus said/did in a similar situation, on the basis that, for Christians, the "WWJD" principle should always be good. John 6:66 refers to an occasion when some people became "ex-Christians". ("Many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.") Now, what did Jesus do/say to them? Well, nothing actually - he gently let them go. He didn't run after them shouting "Wait, you don't understand!" or (just before they got out of earshot) "Hell is waiting!" (as I read on a different thread!). He just turned to those who remained and said "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Clearly, ex-Christians on this site know what Jesus taught (as did the followers on the above occasion) and have made a considered decision (as did the followers on the above occasion). Christians should therefore be as sensitive as Jesus was, especially as such decisions are clearly made after much agonising, and simply maintain a respectful and loving relationship and try to answer any questions put to them, meet any requests for help, etc. (I take it that on this basis, everyone on here is happy for Christians to reply to those threads where questions are addressed to them.) Best wishes to all Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Bill, you sound like a reasonable guy, even for a Christian. It's good to know there are some out there still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Bill, you sound like a reasonable guy, even for a Christian. It's good to know there are some out there still. I agree. Maybe you'll stick around for a little while Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 I'm happy... long as he doesn't talk inconsistent gibberish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 I'm happy... long as he doesn't talk inconsistent gibberish You must be thinking of Veil with that comment Gramps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOkkata Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Hi all My first post, as you can see. I guess Marv is long since gone, as indicated in the opening post, so perhaps I could mainly address this to any other Christian readers. Apologies to regulars if what I'm going to say is old hat on here, but I think RubySera was on the right lines when referring to Jesus' comments about offending. My initial impression on quickly reading some threads is that some/most Christian posters don't seem to take on board the comments from ex-Christian members about posting in the manner that they do. Can I therefore point them to what Jesus said/did in a similar situation, on the basis that, for Christians, the "WWJD" principle should always be good. John 6:66 refers to an occasion when some people became "ex-Christians". ("Many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.") Now, what did Jesus do/say to them? Well, nothing actually - he gently let them go. He didn't run after them shouting "Wait, you don't understand!" or (just before they got out of earshot) "Hell is waiting!" (as I read on a different thread!). He just turned to those who remained and said "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Clearly, ex-Christians on this site know what Jesus taught (as did the followers on the above occasion) and have made a considered decision (as did the followers on the above occasion). Christians should therefore be as sensitive as Jesus was, especially as such decisions are clearly made after much agonising, and simply maintain a respectful and loving relationship and try to answer any questions put to them, meet any requests for help, etc. (I take it that on this basis, everyone on here is happy for Christians to reply to those threads where questions are addressed to them.) Best wishes to all Bill Wow. This is the best 'faithful' post I've ever seen. It's true I don't share your beliefs, but you rule anyway. This post alone made it worth leaving this thread up. We like debate here, not flame wars. Though, we can be quite passionate about it at times. It's more about what evidence you can provide to us here than trying to sway us with scripture and threats of hellfire. If a Theist can give us rational and verifiable evidence, most of us here would listen. [i'd like to think anyway.] Passages from what appears to most of us to be a 2,000 year old anthology of Jewish fairy tales isn't evidence. Nor is it obvious in the natural world as many theist seem to believe. Guiding feeliings, ingrained knowledge, and inner voices, also don't fit the criteria, and Atheist aren't willingly ignoring such things. We don't believe in those things any more than the invisible man who lives in the sky. To most of us, they just aren't there, and are figments of the active imaginations [or delusions] of others. There doesn't appear to be more than that to faith of any kind though as far as I know. I hope you can spread that message amongst your fellow believers a bit more. Quite a few of them could use it, and many of us are related to them. Good luck, and thanks for the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 I'm happy... long as he doesn't talk inconsistent gibberish You must be thinking of Veil with that comment Gramps. You may well think that. I couldn't possibly comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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