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I don't believe in God, because I don't believe in Mother Goose. Clarence Darrow

 

Nature made us--nature did it all--not the gods of the religions. Thomas A. Edison

 

It is best to read the weather forecast before praying for rain. Mark Twain

 

The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of woman's emancipation. Elizabeth Cady Stanton

 

Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel. Ambrose Bierce

 

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear. Thomas Jefferson

 

Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize [hu]mankind. Thomas Paine

 

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of [hu]mankind has preserved�the Cross. Consider what calamaties that engine of grief has produced! John Adams

 

Finding that no religion is based on facts and cannot therefore be true, I began to reflect what must be the condition of [hu]mankind trained from infancy to believe in error. Robert Owen Why has a religious turn of mind always a tendency to narrow and harden the heart? Robert Burns

 

It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous. Gloria Steinem

 

The Christian religion not only was at first attended with miracles, but even at this day cannot be believed by any reasonable person without one. David Hume

 

I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young, and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is none the less true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting. Bertrand Russell

 

It's interesting to speculate how it developed that in two of the most anti-feminist institutions, the church and the law court, the men are wearing the dresses. Flo Kennedy

 

Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. Thomas Paine

 

One of my favorite fantasies is that next Sunday not one single woman, in any country of the world, will go to church. If women simply stop giving our time and energy to the institutions that oppress, they could cease to be. Sonia Johnson

 

During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. James Madison

 

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one. Benjamin Franklin

 

Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separate. Ulysses S. Grant

 

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law. Thomas Paine

 

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. Thomas Jefferson

 

I can hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother, and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine. Charles Darwin

 

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. Albert Einstein

 

The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire . . . Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up. Elizabeth Cady Stanton

 

One does well to put on gloves when reading the New Testament. The proximity of so much uncleanliness almost forces one to do this. Friedrich Nietzsche

 

Reason should be destroyed in all Christians. Martin Luther

 

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword. Jesus

 

The memory of my own suffering has prevented me from ever shadowing one young soul with the superstitions of the Christian religion. Elizabeth Cady Stanton

 

The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. Bertrand Russell

 

It is a farce to call any being virtuous whose virtues do not result from the exercise of its own reason. Mary Wollstonecraft

 

Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give. Robert Ingersoll

 

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg

 

If we must play the theological game, let us never forget that it is a game. Religion, it seems to me, can survive only as a consciously accepted system of make-believe. Aldous Huxley

 

 

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"The slave ought to be resigned to his lot, in obeying his master he is obeying God" St John Chrysostom

 

"The Christian glories in the death of a pagan because thereby Christ himself if glorified" St Bernard

 

"To assert that the Earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin" Cardinal Bellarmine

 

"Slavery is not penal in character and planned by that law which commands the preservation of the natural order and forbids disturbance" Augustine

 

"When dealing with heretics one is not obliged to keep his word" Gregory XII

 

"Empty your minds of secular knowledge" ST John Chrysostom

 

"All sexual desire is sinful in itself and is justified only for the sake of children" Gregory 1st

 

"I should have no compassion on these witches, I should burn them all" Martin Luther

 

"What should we do with the Jews? Set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover them with dirt and whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them" Martin Luther

 

"If unbridled license of speech and writing be granted to all, nothing will remain sacred and inviolate truth being gradually obscured by darkness, pernicious and manifold error, as too often happens, will easily prevail" Pope Leo XIII

 

"Every woman ought to be filled with shame at the thought that she is a woman" Clement of Alexandria

 

"Cursed be the man that holds back his sword from shedding blood" Gregory VII

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“I do not think Witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the US military to promote it” George W Bush

 

“Our constitution meant we were to have freedom of religion, not freedom from it” Billy Graham

 

“Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it – only atheists could accept this satanic theory” Jimmy Swaggart

 

“The media is ruled by Satan. But I wonder if many Christians understand that. Also, will they believe what the media says, considering its aim is to kill, steal and destroy?” Jimmy Swaggart

 

“We’ve got to bring back God and the Bible, and drive the Gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America” Pat Buchanan

 

“No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God” George H W Bush

 

“What profit has not the fable of Christ brought us!” Pope Leo X

 

“I started out believing God for a newer car than the one I was driving. I started out believing God for a nicer apartment than I had. Then I moved up” Jim Bakker

 

“The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the holy scriptures, both by precept and example” R Furnham, Baptist

 

“I want you to let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good…Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty; we are called by god, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism.” Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue

 

“The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women, It is about a socialist anti family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians” Pat Robertson

 

“How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived” Eusebius

 

“We should always be disposed to believe that which appeals to us to be white is actually black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides” Ignatius Loyola

 

“Most politically active Christians don’t want equal time with homosexuals, abortionists, animal worshipping pagans, witches, radical feminists and pornographers. We want them silenced and mercifully disciplined according to the word of God.” Jay Rogers

 

“When the Christian majority takes over the country, there will be no more satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil” Gary Potter, Catholics for Christian Political Action

 

“Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest” Jimmy Swaggart

 

“Nobody has any right to worship any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody’s pseudo right to worship an idol” Rev Joseph Morecraft

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“From the most foul well of indifferentism flows, that absurd and erroneous opinion, or rather delirium, of liberty of conscience” Gregory XVI

 

“To embrace a woman is to embrace a sack of manure” St Odo of Cluny

 

“Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should in fact, be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men” Augustine

 

“If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death on convicted of heresy” Thomas Aquinas

 

“It (AIDS) is a just retribution for improper sexual misconduct” Mother Theresa of Calcutta

 

“Just like what Nazi Germany did to Jews, so liberal America is doing to the evangelical Christians. It is no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the democratic congress, the liberal based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians, Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed towards and group in America today. More terrible than any suffered by any minority in history.” Pat Robertson

 

“Fags Die, God laughs” God Hates Fags website

 

“AIDS is God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is Gods punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals” Jerry Falwell

 

“If you’re not a born again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being” Jerry Falwell

 

“Any view of the sciences that leaves Christ out of the picture must be seen as fundamentally deficient” William Dembski, Intelligent Design advocate

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Professor James Raskin, American University:

 

"Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

 

Sam Harris:

 

Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious.

 

Robert Ingersoll:

 

Pious ignorance always regards intelligence as a kind of blasphemy.

 

Bertrand Russell:

 

"Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

 

George Orwell:

 

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

 

Lynn Lavner:

 

“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision.”

 

Anne Lamott:

 

“You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

 

Robert G. Ingersoll:

 

“The man who invented the telescope found out more about heaven than the closed eyes of prayer ever discovered.”

 

Sam Harris:

 

“Everything of value that people get from religion can be had more honestly, without presuming anything on insufficient evidence. The rest is self-deception, set to music.”

 

Diane Carman, Denver Post:

 

“The opportunity to be threatened, humiliated and to live in fear of being beaten to death is the only 'special right' our culture bestows on homosexuals.”

 

Julia Sweeney;

 

“It took me years, but letting go of religion has been the most profound wake up of my life. I feel I now look at the world not as a child, but as an adult. I see what's bad and it's really bad. But I also see what is beautiful, what is wonderful. And I feel so deeply appreciative that I am alive. How dare the religious use the term 'born again.' That truly describes freethinkers who've thrown off the shackles of religion so much better!”

 

Mikhail A. Bakunin

 

"People go to church for the same reasons they go to a tavern: to stupefy themselves, to forget their misery, to imagine themselves, for a few minutes anyway, free and happy."

 

H. L. Mencken

 

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."

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There is frequently more to be learned from the unexpected questions of a child than the discourses of men, who talk in a road, according to the notions they have borrowed and the prejudices of their education.

 

-John Locke

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“AIDS is God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is Gods punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals” Jerry Falwell

 

One of my very favorites *sarcasm* and one of the very few that might possibly be able to get me to really lose my cool.

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"He (God) gave sex to us... and sex is to be enjoyed and is to be used within the bounds that God created. In sexual behaviour outside those parameters that God created we're at high risk, and we're seeing it now with HIV/AIDS. We're outside those parameters and we have a huge global problem." Franklin Graham

 

"This is one wicked city ok? It's known for Mardi Gras, for satan worship....for sex perversion..for every type of drugs and alcohol and orgies of all these things that go on down in New Orleans...there's been a black spiritual cloud over New Orleans for years...God is going to use the storm to bring revival." Franklin Graham

 

"I hope to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" Jerry Fallwell

 

"I believe this notion of seperation of church and state was the figment of some infidel's imagination" Rev WA Crisswell

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"There will never be peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightfull place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, new age worshippers of Satan, secular humanists, opressive dictators, greedy money changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers and homosexuals are on top...there is absoluteley no way the government can operate successfully unless led by Godly men and women operating under the laws of the god of Jacob." Pat Robertson

 

"A christian ought always to think humbly of himself and be full of self abasing reflection. By loathing himself continually and being very sensible of what are his own loathsome circumstances, a christian does what is very pleasing to heaven." Cotton Mather

 

"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep christians from running their own country." Jerry Falwell

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I like going through quotations. Thanks to thenotchosenone for starting the thread.

How about these from Emma Goldman:

 

“Mankind has been punished long and heavily for having created its gods; nothing but pain and persecution has been man's lot since gods began.”

 

“The rulers of the earth have realized long ago what potent poison inheres in the Christian religion. That is the reason they foster it; that is why they leave nothing undone to instill it into the blood of the people.”

 

“The Fathers of the Church can well afford to preach the gospel of Christ. It contains nothing dangerous to the regime of authority and wealth; it stands for self-denial and self-abnegation, for penance and regret, and is absolutely inert in the face of every indignity, every outrage imposed upon mankind.”

 

“Whatever his mistakes, man has for thousands of years past been working to undo the botched job your God has made.”

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"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" ~ Douglas Adams

 

"I don't go to mythical places with strange men." ~ Douglas Adams

 

"Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it." ~ Dan Barker

 

"Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!" ~ George Carlin

 

"There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created that a cat should play with mice." ~ Charles Darwin

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TO END FEAR OF HELL Courtesy of Brother Edward T. Babinski

 

God recently remodeled hell. He replaced the flames of eternal damnation with a microwave. Now, instead of taking forever, His revenge is complete in seconds. (The only hard part is hanging on while the plate rotates.) - E.T.B.

 

According to Christianity eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message we're brought up with, believe or die. "Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options." - Bill Hicks, Rant in E-minor, CD

 

As a tot I was given the usual terrifying mixed message: a) God is love; and B) If you don't believe how much he loves you, you will stand in the corner for eternity. - James Lileks, "God Has Call Waiting," Notes of a Nervous Man

 

God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That's not free will. It's like a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor. - William C. Easttom II

 

I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being. - Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist

 

Any religion that teaches there is only heaven or hell is gonna be a haven for manic-depressives. - E.T.B.

 

I'm a universalist because I believe that God and time are the best teachers, and there's plenty of time in eternity for everyone to learn their lessons, including Ghengiz Khan, Adolf Hitler, and the makers of Jolt Cola. - E.T.B.

 

Some conservative Christians argue in favor of hell by calling it "God's great compliment." I'd like to ask such people what God does when he wants to insult somebody. - E.T.B.

 

It is strange to me that people can consign others to hell without a scruple. One only has to remember a toothache, not to wish it eternally on anyone. - Lucy Daugalis (daugalis@arcom.com.au)

 

...love and pity for hell's occupants will not enter our hearts. - J. I. Packer, "Hell's Final Enigma," Christianity Today, April 22, 2002 (Mr. Packer is an executive director of Christianity Today, and professor of theology at Regent College in Vancouver.)

 

When all has been considered, it seems to me to be the irresistible intuition that infinite punishment for finite sin would be unjust, and therefore wrong. We feel that even weak and erring Man would shrink from such an act. And we cannot conceive of God as acting on a lower standard of right and wrong. - Lewis Carroll (author of Alice in Wonderland), "Eternal Punishment," Diversions and Digressions of Lewis Carroll

 

I read in the Gospels that Jesus forgave the men who nailed him to the cross. He even promised "this day you shall be with me in paradise" to a thief crucified next to him -- a thief who addressed Jesus simply as a "man" rather than as "the son of God." Yet, today, this same Jesus cannot forgive my kindly old aunt and allow her to dwell in paradise, simply because her "beliefs" do not match Reverend So-and-So's? - Arthur Silver

 

They say that when god was in Jerusalem he forgave his murderers, but now he will not forgive an honest man for differing with him on the subject of the Trinity. They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies." I say, "I do;" but he says, "I will damn mine." God should be consistent. If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his. I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me. God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him. He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be. - Robert Ingersoll

 

There are in fact so many strong Biblical, doctrinal, and logical arguments against the existence of a literal hell that this question naturally arises: Why do the churches teach it and why do people often believe it?...The churches tend to believe that fear, rather than love conquers all. - Robert Short, Methodist clergyman, U.S. Catholic, April 1980

 

Given headaches, backaches, toothaches, strains, scrapes, breaks, cuts, rashes, burns, bruises, PMS, fatigue, hunger, odors, molds, colds, yeast, parasites, viruses, cancers, genetic defects, blindness, deafness, paralysis, mental illness, ugliness, ignorance, miscommunications, embarrassments, unrequited love, dashed hopes, boredom, hard labor, repetitious labor, accidents, old age, senility, fires, floods, earthquakes, typhoons, tornadoes, hurricanes and volcanoes, I can not see how anyone, after they're dead, deserves eternal punishment as well. - E.T.B.

 

When I was a boy I heard tell of an old farmer in Vermont. He was dying. The minister was at his bedside -- asked him if he was a Christian, if he was prepared to die. The old man answered that he had made no preparation, that he was not a Christian, that he had never done anything but work. The preacher said that he could give him no hope unless he had faith in Christ, and that if he had no faith his soul would certainly be lost. The old man was not frightened. He was perfectly calm. In a weak and broken voice he said, "Mr. Preacher, I suppose you noticed my farm. My wife and I came here more than fifty years ago. We were just married. It was a forest then and the land was covered with stones. I cut down the trees, burned the logs, picked up the stones, and laid the walls. My wife spun and wove and worked every moment. We raised and educated our children -- denied ourselves. During all these years my wife never had a good dress, or a decent bonnet. I never had a good suit of clothes. We lived on the plainest food. Our hands, our bodies are deformed by toil. We never had a vacation. We loved each other and the children. That is the only luxury we ever had. Now I am about to die and you ask me if I am prepared. Mr. Preacher, I have no fear of the future, no terror of any other world. There may be such a place as hell -- but if there is, you never can make me believe that it's any worse than old Vermont." - Robert Ingersoll, "Why I Am An Agnostic"

 

An idea, which has terrified millions, claims that some of us will go to a place called Hell, where we will suffer eternal torture. This does not scare me because, when I try to imagine a Mind behind this universe, I cannot conceive that Mind, usually called "God," as totally mad. I mean, guys, compare that "God" with the worst monsters you can think of -- Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, that sort of guy. None of them ever inflicted more than finite pain on their victims. Even de Sade, in his sado-masochistic fantasy novels, never devised an unlimited torture. The idea that the Mind of Creation (if such exists) wants to torture some of its critters for endless infinities of infinities seems too absurd to take seriously. Such a deranged Mind could not create a mud hut, much less the exquisitely mathematical universe around us. If such a monster-God did exist, the sane attitude would consist of practicing the Buddhist virtue of compassion. Don't give way to hatred: try to understand and forgive him. Maybe He will recover his wits some day. - Robert Anton Wilson, "Cheerful Reflections on Death and Dying," Gnoware, February 1999

 

Primates often have trouble imagining a universe not run by an angry alpha male. - Source unknown

 

Any infinite Being who feels it is their duty to torture me for eternity, should switch to decaf. - E.T.B.

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"They came with a Bible and their religion, stole our land, crushed our spirit... and now tell us we should be thankful to the 'Lord' for being saved" Chief Pontiac

 

"Missionaries are a perfect nuisance and always leave the place in a worse state than when they found it" Charles Dickens

 

"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done I depair of writing anything equal to it." Oscar Wilde

 

"The Bible - a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind" - Thomas Paine

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"The good christian should be aware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the Devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of hell." Augustine

 

"The Roman Catholic Church had never erred, nor will it err to all eternity. No one may be considered a Catholic christian who does not agree with the Catholic Church. No book is authorative unless it has received the papal sanction." Pope Gregory VII

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