Anyone Still Believe But Feel Unpardonable?

[jasonwhatever]

What interesting things you find if you do an internet search of "pastors indicted." Money launderers, rapists, pedophiles, in the Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran denominations. Hell, compared to them I'm an angel. I've been doing a lot of soul-searching and I'm gaining some sense of peace back. Things were added to, taken from The Bible after its original writing....I don't believe the story in Matthew about the people rising out of the graves and being seen by thousands. It's not anywhere else in the Gospels, and I don't believe it to be true. Doesn't make sense. I don't believe the story of creation of man; it doesn't make sense. Bible god is hateful and contridictory in the anectdotal accounts of his judgements on men in the Old Testament. David would commit a sin, yet he would slay thousands of the Israelites for David's sins, instead of David who committed them. Doesn't make sense. And all this from a "god who is love" and "just." If parts in Matthew aren't true, then none of it can be counted on to be true. Two of the Gospels are almost identical in format, indicating that one copied the other; two epistles are almost identical, indicating that one copied the other. There seem to be addendums in the epistles as well.

 

Many of the pastors are corrupt and hypocrite pedophiles, and so is the supposed party of "righteousness," the Repugs. Why be holier than them? If god punishes the wicked, the nation's leaders -- and one in particular at the top-- should be the first to be stricken.

 

So I'm moving on. And thanks to everyone for helping me out.

[perianwalsh]

I've been doing a lot of soul-searching and I'm gaining some sense of peace back

good for you -i have been wondering what books you read-mine wasnt soul searching..i read too much of science and it burns me out.

 

oh yeah,for the first question you ask,justs goes to marlene winell site and read some extracts out of her book...there's something about leaving religion,and a site called joyofdisillusionment.com

 

I don't believe the story of creation of man

I think of the universe as an consciousness...creation?the more i look at nature,the more i was convinced i and they are somewat same.

Two of the Gospels are almost identical in format, indicating that one copied the other; two epistles are almost identical, indicating that one copied the other. There seem to be addendums in the epistles as well.

i tink it's called synopotic problem.....i am not sure.....matthew -i think he is a jew but has a great misunderstanding on the bible and probably relying on midrash...

 

David would commit a sin, yet he would slay thousands of the Israelites for David's sins, instead of David who committed them

I havent read till there yet...but i read shortened versions about uriah's wife.....

pastors... alot of them has many faces,some consciously,some unconsciously...i am not experienced enough to knew about them...i knew some thinks they are correct themselves,at least almost correct.

 

about satan on pagels view

 

http://www.tannerlectures.utah.edu/lectures/Pagels99.pdf

[Guest Wisko]

Leave it up to the clergy to wreck people. Because they've vehemently forced their screwed up doctrine onto people, insisting it to be the truth, we've been damaged. The "only once" theory gets blown out of the water by people like Jay Greenberg, who at 13 years old, has already composed 5 symphonies, and when he was 2 years old, drew a picture of a cello on a whiteboard and emphatically pointed at it.

There's a quotation that goes: "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."

 

A few months after I stopped going to church and was back to my "heathen music" and herb, something happened and for the last 8-9 years I've been sort of "reconnected", but it's pretty freaky. While I'm waiting for a piece of metal to get sawed at work, spacing out, I'll occasionally recall a verse which, collected with the rest of the ones I've recalled, show that christianity is really not necessary, and has been screwed up practically from the start. If, in less than 100 years, only 2 out of 7 churches got letters of encouragement, while the other 5 were scoldings & warnings, how screwed up is it today, multiplied by 20?

Another attribute of the "reconnection" is that I'll occasionally get the notion to pray for somebody, and often find out later why. One day I felt like I should pray for a friend, only to find out later that day that his brother passed away. Another time, I followed my notion and ended up providing for an old friend of mine that had medical problems that his doctor prescribed the herb to him, but due to him being at the hospital all day the day before, he missed out on going to the somewhat legal source, and was out. I hadn't seen the guy in 15 years, and was going to see if he still lived there.

 

I"m of the opinion that there is some validity in the bible (as well as many other spiritually-related books from practically any culture), but the fact is that people have really messed with the book throughout history, and not all of it is divine, either. Abraham's childhood is blanked out from the bible, but the koran and the Jewish midrash tell of stuff in his youth that makes one wonder why it was deleted from the bible.

 

Anyway, I'm open to discussion & messaging on the subject.

[RIPw4]

I am a bit different than many others here in that I believe in a G-d. But that is besides the point..

If you don't believe in G-d then don't worry.

If you do I challenge you to this assignment.

Make a list of all the characteristics you think G-d has. Then make a list of all the characteristics you don't think G-d has.

Once you make that list then that is what G-d is to you.

Mine happens to be loving, caring, and forgiving. He isn't jealous, vengeful, hateful, resentful, etc.

You get the picture.

If my G-d is the things that I believe he is then it would be impossible for a place such as hell to exist. It wouldn't make sense to be loving and not vengeful and then send me to hell now would it?

G-d might be nature to you, he/she/it might be other people, or maybe yourself. Who knows. G-d is whatever you want him to be or not to be. Honestly ask yourself...Is the person that I have invested so much time in really the same person that is going to make me burn forever?

 

Probably not.

 

I hope you find your path. It is right in front of you and has been for a long time. You just have to choose it.

 

There are many roads that lead to Kansas city. Some are more scenic, some are quicker, but they all get to the same place in the end.. Ya follow?

 

God is real.. God is not real. There really isnt a difference. Your belief or non belief is not going to change what is. What will change is the present. Worry and fear will change today in a negative way. Hope, courage, kindness, love ,etc will change today in a postive way. Stop worrying about what might be and focus on what is right now. Cause right now is all you got..

[deepblue]

Jason, if it's any help I went through exactly the same thing 2 years ago, and almost killed myself as a result (the temptation was so strong). I have spoken of my experience on another thread on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

All that is left is an empty shell and an absolutely enormous hardness of heart. My forehead literally feels like solid lead.

 

I am on anti-psychotics and anti-depressants, and expect to be on them for a very long time, even my whole life.

 

Somehow you have to pick yourself up and keep going and living some kind of life. You just can't think about God, Jesus, the Bible or anything religious. I don't anymore because it's virtually impossible. You just exist, die and take whatever comes (if anything).

 

regards,

 

 

Jon.

[Guest Toby Beau]

Hi everyone. My situation is different for a lot of peoples' testimonies in that I still believe The Bible is true, but I feel constant dread because I had such intense periods a few years ago where I was certain that I had the joy of The Holy Spirit.

I went into sin and lost The Holy Spirit and had a horrible breakdown, lost my job, etc. So I feel that I can never be forgiven-- that I have blasphemed The Holy Spirit.

 

It seems that I cannot be the only forever-damned apostate who received Grace but lost it. Where are the others?

 

Please let me know if you had a similar experience.

Thanks

Many theologins (as if they're the experts or something) have said that the only possible way to blaspheme the holy spirit is to actually be in the presents of the bodily Jesus, witness a miracle and attribute said miracle to Satan. So, 1. you since I didn't read about you in the gospel of Mark, you can be sure that you didn't blaspheme the holy spirit in the sense that Mark is talking about and 2. Even if you did, there is no hell or satan... don't worry about it. The bible is mythology pure and simple.