Guest Eylisha Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Just something thats been on my mind. Ok we know 'god' is not shy about listing the the 'immoral' sexual acts he despises so I began wondering why there is not a mention of peodaphilia in the bible could it be a. Thousands of years ago people weren't as degenerate as we are today b. god doesn't care about sex crimes against children (after all homosexuality must be the greater sin) c.The bible was written by a bunch of stupid little men who wouldn't touch on such a taboo subject tell me what do you think? I thought I would post this as anyone with half a brain should see that if there were a God he wouldn't leave a sin of such atrocious character go unmentioned in the bible. That is unless we are truly supposed to believe it didn't occur way back when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycorth Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Just something thats been on my mind.Ok we know 'god' is not shy about listing the the 'immoral' sexual acts he despises so I began wondering why there is not a mention of peodaphilia in the bible could it be a. Thousands of years ago people weren't as degenerate as we are today b. god doesn't care about sex crimes against children (after all homosexuality must be the greater sin) If the Abrahamic deity existed, then obviously he didn't care enough about the topic to mention it. Then again, the Wholly Babble lacks a lot of things it ought to include if an omnipotent being were behind it all. But... c.The bible was written by a bunch of stupid little men who wouldn't touch on such a taboo subject Bingo. Except that they didn't touch on the subject because it was taboo, they didn't touch on it because the Wholly Babble is just badly written fiction. It's nothing more than the product of desert-dwellers' delusions and perhaps even hallucinations. It's about as based in reality as any mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobrob Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Or they just did not want to draw attention to their own leisure time activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_raven23 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 a. Thousands of years ago people weren't as degenerate as we are today Define sexually "degenerate" from a thousands of years ago perspective. You can't really do it. If beating women and children was perfectly permissable, why would anyone with "hardcore" S&M tendencies be a concern? b. god doesn't care about sex crimes against children (after all homosexuality must be the greater sin) Define "child" from a thousands of years ago perspective. Or don't. From a modern perspective, the sexual outlook of days gone by is a little sick. Not all cultures waited until puberty to marry their little girls away. *shudder* c.The bible was written by a bunch of stupid little men who wouldn't touch on such a taboo subject. The bible was written by men who were ignorant of the possibility of morality viewpoints changing over time. They covered the taboos of their day, never considering acts they had not already covered would ever be considered morally repugnant, while acts they had covered in their writings would regain varying levels of cultural acceptance. Evidence of this exists within the Bible itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 a. Thousands of years ago people weren't as degenerate as we are today I'm going with Varokhar on this one. Have you read the bible? They tell you not to screw animals, among other things, so I'm going to have to say people were degenerate. In Egypt we have reports where the pretty women weren't delivered "fresh" to the embalmers to discourage them from partaking of them while taking out their insides before they rotted to mummify them. So I'd say they were degenerate too. We're no better by any means but people have a real false sense of how "pure" these ancients were. b. god doesn't care about sex crimes against children (after all homosexuality must be the greater sin)c.The bible was written by a bunch of stupid little men who wouldn't touch on such a taboo subject Children are property. You might as well screw a donkey since they're almost the same thing (getting caught with either could get you killed...although the donkey is almost guaranteed whereas you might buy/marry your way out with the kid). The only value was in the resale. Keeping the child "pure" for the marriage transaction was the important thing and beyond that it really didn't matter any more than it did for anyone else. Then it fell under the standard "property" law (a man owned the woman and so on). This all varies by society and time period but overall these things stay pretty consistent to the basic trends. I thought I would post this as anyone with half a brain should see that if there were a God he wouldn't leave a sin of such atrocious character go unmentioned in the bible. That is unless we are truly supposed to believe it didn't occur way back when. Your logic only works if god has consistent values. If he does then our values and his values are out of alignment. In this case children have no value (as you're assessing it) and we should get used to it. Kids are simply property. That is gods way. Tough break. If, however, jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world (or so the song goes) then his values are updating along with ours and this shows that god is a mirror of society. The final choice is god is (very) slowly bringing us into alignment with his loving ways but since he could have just forced the issue with a "do this or die" law like he did so many other things (like bestiality) it seems unreasonable to think this is the one item we needed to embrace slowly out of so many. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I think it was as prevalent in their culture as it was in many cultures of that era; it seems many holy books have a habit of glossing over as evil those things which, while possibly reviled by many, is still common. Notice how prostitution and polygamy, and even incest isn't really condemned until the new testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texmex2003 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Having sex with the little girls of the town you just decimated was perfectly okay. Occording to the Laws of Moses, God demanded they could keep the females that had not known a man as their own. The girls were raped, if they bled, they became sexual slaves of the invading Isrealite army and if they did not bleed, they were ravished with the sword. All with God's blessings. Glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eylisha Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Thanks guys for your imput I am actually just recently de converted about 6 weeks and still coming up with ideas why God is improbable especially the god of the bible. just to add I find this site has helped alot to hear others stories makes me realise I didn't fall away because I loved wordly things more than God if that makes sense I need this reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Thanks guys for your imput I am actually just recently de converted about 6 weeks and still coming up with ideas why God is improbable especially the god of the bible. just to add I find this site has helped alot to hear others stories makes me realise I didn't fall away because I loved wordly things more than God if that makes sense I need this reminder. Welcome to Ex-C! I'd like to give you some food for thought. God murders the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah over alleged sex crimes. Ask yourself why the only 'righteous' man saved 1) Offered his own two daughters up to be raped to save two strangers. 2) Had sex with them in the safe haven cave and they bore Lots own grandkids. Somehow this man is righteous in the eyes of gawd who delivers lopsided justice. He was their father and suppose to be the protector of them... yet he's still considered righteous; while men, women and children were burned alive for just existing in the town. I know Christians love to rush to the defense of the sex crazed father and like to say the daughters got him drunk and tricked him. I'm wondering how many would buy that excuse from their own husbands/wives/Significant others.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphophilia Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 I agree with that. In order for Lot to be so drunk not to know it was his daughters, he'd have to be too drunk to do the deed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Wolf Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 People, by our definitions, were often pedophiles back then. Primarily due to the very short life spans. Even reading Romeo and Juliet, we read that Juliet's mom informed Juliet that "I was your age when I had you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mankey Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Thanks guys for your imput I am actually just recently de converted about 6 weeks and still coming up with ideas why God is improbable especially the god of the bible. just to add I find this site has helped alot to hear others stories makes me realise I didn't fall away because I loved wordly things more than God if that makes sense I need this reminder. Welcome to Ex-C! I'd like to give you some food for thought. God murders the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah over alleged sex crimes. Ask yourself why the only 'righteous' man saved 1) Offered his own two daughters up to be raped to save two strangers. 2) Had sex with them in the safe haven cave and they bore Lots own grandkids. Somehow this man is righteous in the eyes of gawd who delivers lopsided justice. He was their father and suppose to be the protector of them... yet he's still considered righteous; while men, women and children were burned alive for just existing in the town. I know Christians love to rush to the defense of the sex crazed father and like to say the daughters got him drunk and tricked him. I'm wondering how many would buy that excuse from their own husbands/wives/Significant others.... As far as I can tell woman and children have no real rights in the bible. What about a wife or child beater as well? As far as that goes there is scripture that deals with the father, but there is no scripture that gives a wife or child rights if the father doesn't change. The bible was written by primitives with different values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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