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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk

 

They have evidence of a city that sprang up well before ancient Egypt and Sumer; and it did not spring up between the Tigris and Euphrates either. It is in modern-day Turkey. They estimate its origins at around 7-8000 bc.

 

If you follow the Bible timeline though, man was created around 4000 Bc in a singular act. No Paleolithic age, no neolithic. Just happened.

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October 23rd 4004 BCE, at 9 AM to be exact :)

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October 23rd 4004 BCE, at 9 AM to be exact :)

 

According to which time zone? On which side of the international date line?

 

Oh--in Turkey of course. Sorry, stupid question. On second thought, isn't it rather strange that a Brit would give exact time according to his clock regarding something several time zones over??? Just curious...since we're playing games...whose rules we're playing by...That being the case I guess man got created the night before time began in North America...and that causes logical problems...we've got "exact time" but time has not yet begun....hmmmm

 

I guess in Christian time it would have been 12:01 am January 1 of the first New Years Day. And all time would be measured from that moment. Really strange....because that is not how things happened.

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_date.htm

 

Basis for dating the creation of Adam and Eve from the biblical text:

 

The creation stories in the Bible start at Genesis 1:1. They are undated. To compute a probable date of creation from the biblical record, it is necessary to work backwards from a date that is known from the historical record.

 

The earliest event in the Bible that can be dated with reasonable certainty is the beginning of Saul's reign as the first king of Israel. It is generally believed to have occurred about 1020 BCE, at a time when Egypt and Assyria were weakened and the Israelites were able to assert domination over their own territory. Many theologians have attempted to compute the date of creation by working back from this or a similar known date, through the various time intervals mentioned in the Bible. For example:

bullet Most contemporary historians establish a base date of Saul's accession to the throne of Israel to have happened 1020 BCE. However, Bishop James Ussher, a 17th century Irish archbishop from Armagh, Ireland, estimated this date as 1095 BCE in his work: Annales Veteris et Novi Testamenti

bullet Work backwards through the Book of Judges. Ussher computed 330 years for the duration of the rule of Judges. He based this on the intervals specified in the Hebrew Scriptures. Modern theologians believe that the "Judges" did not rule over all of Israel in a regular sequence. Instead, each Judge controlled separate tribe(s), so that their interval of rule overlapped. A modern estimate for the duration of time covered by the Book of Judges is perhaps 180 years.

bullet If Joshua's conquest of Canaan happened, it would have occurred circa in the 13:th century BCE which was a time when Egypt's influence over the area was at a low ebb. Bishop Ussher estimated that it began in 1451 BCE; that is unlikely because Egyptian power was at its peak at that time and completely dominated the area. In reality, if it did happen, it probably occurred in about 1237 BCE under Pharaoh Rameses II, a time when Egypt was in steady decline.

bullet Ussher dated the arrival of Abraham in Canaan to 2126 BCE and the Noahic flood at 2349 BCE. The latter is unlikely, because historical records in China and Egypt continued without disruption through that date, and contain no record of a massive world-wide flood that would have wiped out their civilizations.

bullet Ussher was able to use the ages of famous pre-flood personages in the Bible to estimate the number of years between creation and the flood. In 1650 CE, he published his book "Annales veteris testamenti, a prima mundi origine deducti" ("Annals of the Old Testament, deduced from the first origins of the world.") He calculated that God had created the Earth in 4004 BCE. A decade earlier, Dr. John Lightfoot, (1602 - 1675), an Anglican clergyman, rabbinical scholar, and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge had already arrived at an estimate of 4004-OCT-23 BCE, at 9 AM. (We assume that this was either Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or Jerusalem time). Unfortunately, Ussher gets most of the credit; Lightfoot's contribution is rarely cited.

 

This would make the time interval between the creation of the world and a common estimate of the birth of Christ at precisely 4000 years. Some people believe that Ussher fudged the data to make it come out this neatly. This date found general acceptance among many Christians; "...his dates were inserted in the margins of the authorized version of the English Bible and were soon practically regarded as equally inspired with the sacred text itself..." 1

 

:There are two inherent and unavoidable sources of error that are often overlooked in these calculations:

bullet The calculation must rely on numerous passages which state that a person was born when his father was of a certain age. But if a 30 year-old man has a son, the birth might have occurred at any time between the father's 30th birthday, and one day before his 31st birthday. Thus, on average, an error of six months is introduced with each father-son passage.

bullet :Some theologians have pointed out that there may be missing generations in Bible chronologies. The entire family tree may not be fully listed. Some "sons" are actually grandsons. "In Exodus 6:16-20, we find only four generations listed between Levi and Moses. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia states: 'It seems quite clear that some generations were omitted in the compilation' (rev. ed., s.v. 'Genealogy'). In Matthew 1:1-17, the Gospel writer deliberately omits three kings to illustrate the theological point he is making, a point that depends upon a generational pattern." 8

 

Go figure... we all know it's bollocks

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Thanks for that article. I figured you had made up the date.

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No... I let Bishops and Theologians do that :)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk

 

They have evidence of a city that sprang up well before ancient Egypt and Sumer; and it did not spring up between the Tigris and Euphrates either. It is in modern-day Turkey. They estimate its origins at around 7-8000 bc.

 

If you follow the Bible timeline though, man was created around 4000 Bc in a singular act. No Paleolithic age, no neolithic. Just happened.

The city is a deception of Satan! It is designed to undermine the authority and accuracy of the Word of God! Just rebuke it in the Name of the LORD, and stand strong in your faith! Jesus is Lord! Glory to God!

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I'd be interested in hearing more about what was going on in Turkey around that time. Even before the Sumerians, Assyrians, Egyptians and Hittites, there was something going on in Turkey, as far back as 10,000 BC. That's the estimated age of a Turkish quilt that's on display at the Cleveland History Museum in Cleveland, OH. Embroidered on the quilt are several scenes of daily life indicating a fairly advanced civilization. It's in remarkable condition for a woven textile article of such antiquity.

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Aliens (which are really demons) came down and planted various objects throughout the middle east to make people think that the Bible is not true. This was even before Satan had sex with Eve that spawned that hate child Cain who slew Abel because " he was of the devil."

 

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I'd be interested in hearing more about what was going on in Turkey around that time. Even before the Sumerians, Assyrians, Egyptians and Hittites, there was something going on in Turkey, as far back as 10,000 BC. That's the estimated age of a Turkish quilt that's on display at the Cleveland History Museum in Cleveland, OH. Embroidered on the quilt are several scenes of daily life indicating a fairly advanced civilization. It's in remarkable condition for a woven textile article of such antiquity.

 

Fascinating. And how many years (millenia?) of civilization does it take before people are gathering together to produce and preserve quilts? It boggles the mind.

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Fascinating. And how many years (millenia?) of civilization does it take before people are gathering together to produce and preserve quilts? It boggles the mind.

 

 

Well, if you believe the bible, man was first gardeners, tending a garden and did not eat meat until after the flood. However, all of the overwhelming evidence shows that men were first hunters and then developed gardening later....thousands of years later! People were probably bands and tribes, families of people for thousands of years before larger cities developed.

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Jason, how come they still haven't changed your avatar? It sounds like you are now one of us. Welcome to the dark side. :P

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October 23rd 4004 BCE, at 9 AM to be exact :)

Nice nod to Hovind.

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Jason, how come they still haven't changed your avatar? It sounds like you are now one of us. Welcome to the dark side. :P

 

I like the icon better than the stripes... If I could have it without the apologist tag, I'd ask for it :)

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