HoustonHorn Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 I'm excited and just had to share this, although a little history first might be better. Last year I posted a thread about being scared to tell my wife that I was not a Christian anymore. She now knows. Doesn't like it, but she knows. And to her credit she really hasn't been pushy at all to try and "bring me back to the fold". I know it bothers her, but she seems to have accepted it. A couple moths ago we were at the Houston Museum of Natural Science and I saw a banner that they're bringing the Lucy bones to Houston as part of a nationwide tour, and I really wanted to see them although I didn't say anything because of the discussion it might bring up. Yesterday we got a flier in the mail advertising Lucy and my wife brought it in and said she really wanted to go see it. I don't know where it's going to wind up, but at least she didn't blow it off with a standard religious comment. Maybe she's coming around (he says with fingers and toes crossed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Good luck old bean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 Yesterday we got a flier in the mail advertising Lucy and my wife brought it in and said she really wanted to go see it. I don't know where it's going to wind up, but at least she didn't blow it off with a standard religious comment. Maybe she's coming around (he says with fingers and toes crossed). Sounds like a good sign to me. If she was a real fundie she almost certainly would not want to see the exhibit. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurisaz Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I second the others. Could be a damn good sign indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuaiDan Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 How clever is she? She could be trying to trap you in a confession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonHorn Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 Confession of what? She knows I'm not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godless Wonder Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 When in Lucy in town? I want to see her too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6956902.stm Something to discuss at the exhibit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel.white Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 The only knowledge I have on the subject is leftover from my xian days where my parents basically scoffed at it. I don't remember if they were talking about lucy or some other "missing link" but they said it was like 3 bones that they used to guess what a person would look like back then, but the bones were probably animal bones. Um, growing up in xian household my entire life, I know almost nothing about evolution that isn't tainted by being filtered through xian perspectives. ...So, can someone politely educate me a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godless Wonder Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 A google image search for "lucy fossil skeleton" will give you some photos of the actual fossils, and some reconstructions and other things. As far as general evolution, Darwin's "origin of the species" is actually not a bad read, fairly interesting, of historical significance, though wrong in some details, mostly right. (Significantly, genetics, even Mendel's pea-pod experiments, were unknown to Darwin, so the mechanism, or even some basic properties of heredity were unknown to him. Even so, he got quite a bit right.) Dawkins book, "Climbing Mount Improbable" is quite good. As for web sites, "Talk Origins" ( http://talkorigins.org/) is quite good. There's a newsgroup (old school, pre-web internet thing: http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/topics is one web front end) from which the talk origins website draws, and owes its existence... but day-to-day, there's a lot of noise on the TO newsgroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel.white Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 A google image search for "lucy fossil skeleton" will give you some photos of the actual fossils, and some reconstructions and other things. My folks, being xian, have a filter installed on the computer, it prevents image searches, and searches for various keywords, but I did go check out the picture on wikipedia. As far as general evolution, Darwin's "origin of the species" is actually not a bad read, fairly interesting, of historical significance, though wrong in some details, mostly right. (Significantly, genetics, even Mendel's pea-pod experiments, were unknown to Darwin, so the mechanism, or even some basic properties of heredity were unknown to him. Even so, he got quite a bit right.) Dawkins book, "Climbing Mount Improbable" is quite good. As for web sites, "Talk Origins" ( http://talkorigins.org/) is quite good. There's a newsgroup (old school, pre-web internet thing: http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/topics is one web front end) from which the talk origins website draws, and owes its existence... but day-to-day, there's a lot of noise on the TO newsgroup. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosingMyReligion Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 She is peeking her little head out of the shell...Velly good sign indeed. Pretty soon you two can have a bible burning session! jolly good fun... I went and saw Lucy too(from houston)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonHorn Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 I know I'm bringing up a really old thread, but we finally went and saw Lucy last week. The exhibit also had a lot of info on Ethiopian history. I hadn't realized it was so populated with Christians. So the first room we walked through was mostly religious artifacts. Really beautiful stuff - wish we could have taken pictures. Although we did sort of skim through it. Lucy was a set of bones about 5 feet tall. Really cool sitting there thinking that those bones were over 2 million years old. What's great is my wife was talking about the age and didn't say anything about any type of creationism type stuff. As we were walking out of the exhibit we even talked about how great it is that different people can look at the world through different eyes and come to all these different conclusions about our origins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrow Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I know I'm bringing up a really old thread, but we finally went and saw Lucy last week. The exhibit also had a lot of info on Ethiopian history. I hadn't realized it was so populated with Christians. So the first room we walked through was mostly religious artifacts. Really beautiful stuff - wish we could have taken pictures. Although we did sort of skim through it. Lucy was a set of bones about 5 feet tall. Really cool sitting there thinking that those bones were over 2 million years old. What's great is my wife was talking about the age and didn't say anything about any type of creationism type stuff. As we were walking out of the exhibit we even talked about how great it is that different people can look at the world through different eyes and come to all these different conclusions about our origins. I remember thi thread!!! Well, did she enjoy it? The next question is "So did she believe the 2 million years stuff yet? Thanks Spatz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonHorn Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 The next question is "So did she believe the 2 million years stuff yet? That's what I haven't quite wrapped my head around yet. If she's talking to her family or churchy friends then she talks like a fundy. But talking to me she seems fairly rational. It's almost like she's telling each group what she thinks we want to hear. She didn't discount any of the history outright and actually was the one that suggested we go last week, although there are a lot of other exhibits at the museum that we saw as well. It's like she's almost ready to admit that something is fishy about Christianity, but isn't quite ready to take the leap. And I don't want to push the issue for fear of it causing her to rebound back into fundy mode. I know it's a much bigger leap for her because she was raised in it where I was raised as a Christian in name only and was only really fundy for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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