garrisonjj Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Nope, can't justify any. Prayed all my life and never heard, felt or witnessed any answer. I was a fully participating catholic. Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. How can children die from starvation, cancer and other maladies? Yep, it's fuckin god's will. How can 6 million innocent Jews be killed. Didn't they pray? Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? Why should his existence be a big mystery? Why does an all powerful,all knowing god need my worship,,, or else, fuckin hell! If god knows all, why did he create me, knowing that my beliefs and lifestyle would bring me everlasting hell flames? Just think. Lets create something to punish it forever? Help me out here. What are other reasons for believing there is no god? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 22, 2007 Share Posted September 22, 2007 Another proof is that there's so frigging many versions of faith and belief. If God wanted followers, wouldn't it be quite more convincing if there wer unity and homogeneity amongst the true believers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toban Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Religious people are backed into a corner: evolution destroyed the necessity of a god to create life, so now they resort to cosmological arguments like 'the universe couldn't come into existence without a creator'. Which obviously begs the question of how did this creator itself come into existence? To which they reply: "god is eternal". But we can just as well say that the universe is eternal. As our understanding of the world improves, the "evidence" for a god becomes slimmer and slimmer. A better understanding of cosmology will kill the creator argument. But there is still alot of work to be done in the domain of evolution. People still think that life is special in a metaphysical way. Not many people are willing to admit that they are just atoms and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soor Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Prayed all my life and never heard, felt or witnessed any answer. I was a fully participating catholic. Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? Why should his existence be a big mystery? These are excellent points and they are some of the points that put the nails on the coffin that the God I worshipped wasn't there. Well said garrisonjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jeff Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nope, can't justify any. Prayed all my life and never heard, felt or witnessed any answer. I was a fully participating catholic. Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. How can children die from starvation, cancer and other maladies? Yep, it's fuckin god's will. How can 6 million innocent Jews be killed. Didn't they pray? Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? Why should his existence be a big mystery? Why does an all powerful,all knowing god need my worship,,, or else, fuckin hell! If god knows all, why did he create me, knowing that my beliefs and lifestyle would bring me everlasting hell flames? Just think. Lets create something to punish it forever? Help me out here. What are other reasons for believing there is no god? Thanks Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. But Christianity isn't a religion! It's a dynamic, living relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ! Hallelujah! How can children die from starvation, cancer and other maladies? Yep, it's fuckin god's will. How can 6 million innocent Jews be killed. Didn't they pray? We live in a fallen, sin-sick world. And no, it's not God's will, it was man's will. Man chose this world when he chose to listen to Satan and disobey God in the Garden of Eden. Of course the Jews prayed, but they didn't know the Lord and were not saved. God doesn't hear the prayers of unsaved people. God loved those Jews, but again we live in a sin-sick world and they were the victims of a sinful, evil man who was deeply involved in the occult. And remember, Satan is the god of this world! We are suffering the consequences of our willful rebellion against God. Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? God did intervene when He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for you on the cross. God will never force Himself on anybody. It's up to you to believe in Him and be born again. Why should his existence be a big mystery? It's not! The existence of God is plainly obvious. He has revealed Himself through His Creation and through His Word, the Bible. Why does an all powerful,all knowing god need my worship,,, or else, fuckin hell! God doesn't need your worship. He desires your fellowship. That's why He created mankind - to enjoy fellowship with Him! Glory to God! God doesn't send people to hell. They send themselves there by refusing to be saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. If god knows all, why did he create me, knowing that my beliefs and lifestyle would bring me everlasting hell flames? God gives everyone free will and the ability to choose Him. He is reaching out to you with open arms even now! Don't continue to refuse His free gift of salvation and eternal life! Humble yourself now, admit that you are a sinner in need of salvation, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior right now! God will create in you a clean heart and a right spirit, and He'll give you a brand new life in Christ! Praise God! Hallelujah! Help me out here. What are other reasons for believing there is no god? There are no good reasons for believing that there is no God. There are only sin-driven excuses for choosing to reject God's Love and His awesome free gift of salvation and eternal life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sir fer Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 But there is still alot of work to be done in the domain of evolution. People still think that life is special in a metaphysical way. Not many people are willing to admit that they are just atoms and nothing more. well you might just be a bunch of atoms but I am a bunch of atoms with personality!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sir fer Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 but seriously, if you, I and all the other members here were JUST a bunch of atoms, we wouldn't be posting very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 But there is still alot of work to be done in the domain of evolution. People still think that life is special in a metaphysical way. Not many people are willing to admit that they are just atoms and nothing more. well you might just be a bunch of atoms but I am a bunch of atoms with personality!! Well THIS bunch of atoms with personality says something happened that "couldn't have 'just happened' but it did." I had this really strong hunch that I should take my letter in for my doctor today--hand deliver it. It's one of those things where timing was everything. I wasn't sure if she was even in the office today. I had called several times and only got the answering machine. I seldom leave messages on doctor's telephones because when I'm online (which is a lot of the time) no one can return calls. I had myself a deep think. I did not think they had that specific message on the answering machine on days they were in the office. This was a migraine specialist, not a general practitioner, so she did not have to be in everyday. But yes, I concluded, I was going to go to the office. If it was all locked up I would see if there was a mailbox were I could stuff it, or if I could put it between doors, or something, and when I got home I would leave a message on her phone telling her where I left it. Her office is in the kind of building that might have been a private home at one time. There was nothing valuable in the envelope so there was no risk that way. And I could always take it home as a last resort if there was absolutely no place to leave it. When I got close to the office suddenly I saw something--there was a light on inside. My heart soared. She must be in! When I got closer I saw that the inside door was open. That was proof that they were open. And what's more, when I got into the reception area, I absolutely could not believe my eyes. I asked, "Are you Dr. ________?" She said, "Yes, you and I met two days ago. Remember? And we talked about....?" So I was able to hand the letter directly to her and explain what it was about. Apparently I had arrived during a split second when she was between patients. It had occurred to me how fortunate that would be, but I discounted the possibility because the chances of it happening would be so tiny. I knew if I was willing to wait an hour I could probably catch her but I've spent so many hours waiting when I had to see her that I had no desire to do that. I was going to count myself lucky if I could hand the letter to the receptionist. As I walked out of the office it occurred to me that my mother would have said, "This is one of those things that could not have 'just happened.'" By that, she would have meant, "This is evidence of God ochestrating things." I'm thinking, yeah right. I didn't pray about this or anything. Sure, I did give it a lot of deep thought and conderation (which is all prayer is when you analayze it). I did have urgent intuitive hunches about it. (Now get this, I also knew how important it was to get the information to my doctor in time, and that it might already be too late. That can, in and of itself, make for intuitive hunches and feelings of urgency.) On the other hand, the reason I did not give the information earlier was that I did not have it. Why did I not have it? There had been a new development in my condition. So why was it so urgent for her to have it and how could it have already been too late??? As some of you know, I'm working the system pretty hard to figure out how to survive with all my disabilities outside my native horse and buggy community. As part of getting all this organized properly I saw my doctor the other day to get her to write a letter for the government asking for authorization for one item--a very expensive medication she put me on. "Is it helping?" she asked, "because if it is helping it will be easier to get it authorized." After a pause she added, "Maybe it's still a bit early in the game." I said it's still a bit early in the game. Apparently it was two days early. It was a preventative medicine for migraines. The only medicine I have yet found to be of any help for migraines is the kind that kills them as they come. That's supposed to be dangerous long term (not to mention extremely expensive) so we have to find something that prevents them from coming. I get a week of migraines about once a month. In between I'm fine. The day I saw her I was fine. A day later the migraines kicked in again. But something was odd. I was able to control the pain with Ibuprofen. Never before has Ibuprofen made even a dent in the pain. So maybe it wasn't a real migraine. Sometimes I get other headaches that last for part of a day. I monitored it for 24 hours. It was exactly like migraines except I was able to control the pain with Ibuprofen. I decided if my doctor has not yet sent off that letter to the government she needed to know about this post-haste. When I got there it was exactly in time. Evidence for God??? Turn that around. It is evidence that all along what we thought was god was only our own common sense and happenstance keeping us alive. Our ancestors wanted to give it a name so they called it God. We can choose to put it back on the shelf and call it common sense and happenstance if we like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piprus Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Nope, can't justify any. Prayed all my life and never heard, felt or witnessed any answer. I was a fully participating catholic. Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. How can children die from starvation, cancer and other maladies? Yep, it's fuckin god's will. How can 6 million innocent Jews be killed. Didn't they pray? Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? Why should his existence be a big mystery? Why does an all powerful,all knowing god need my worship,,, or else, fuckin hell! If god knows all, why did he create me, knowing that my beliefs and lifestyle would bring me everlasting hell flames? Just think. Lets create something to punish it forever? Help me out here. What are other reasons for believing there is no god? Thanks Religion is a mind control from youth that breeds self inflicted guilt, worry and feelings of worthlessness unless you dedicate your life to the "big daddy" in the sky. But Christianity isn't a religion! It's a dynamic, living relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ! Hallelujah! How can children die from starvation, cancer and other maladies? Yep, it's fuckin god's will. How can 6 million innocent Jews be killed. Didn't they pray? We live in a fallen, sin-sick world. And no, it's not God's will, it was man's will. Man chose this world when he chose to listen to Satan and disobey God in the Garden of Eden. Of course the Jews prayed, but they didn't know the Lord and were not saved. God doesn't hear the prayers of unsaved people. God loved those Jews, but again we live in a sin-sick world and they were the victims of a sinful, evil man who was deeply involved in the occult. And remember, Satan is the god of this world! We are suffering the consequences of our willful rebellion against God. Why doesn't god intervene, enlighten my mind and make me a born again believer? God did intervene when He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for you on the cross. God will never force Himself on anybody. It's up to you to believe in Him and be born again. Why should his existence be a big mystery? It's not! The existence of God is plainly obvious. He has revealed Himself through His Creation and through His Word, the Bible. Why does an all powerful,all knowing god need my worship,,, or else, fuckin hell! God doesn't need your worship. He desires your fellowship. That's why He created mankind - to enjoy fellowship with Him! Glory to God! God doesn't send people to hell. They send themselves there by refusing to be saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. If god knows all, why did he create me, knowing that my beliefs and lifestyle would bring me everlasting hell flames? God gives everyone free will and the ability to choose Him. He is reaching out to you with open arms even now! Don't continue to refuse His free gift of salvation and eternal life! Humble yourself now, admit that you are a sinner in need of salvation, and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior right now! God will create in you a clean heart and a right spirit, and He'll give you a brand new life in Christ! Praise God! Hallelujah! Help me out here. What are other reasons for believing there is no god? There are no good reasons for believing that there is no God. There are only sin-driven excuses for choosing to reject God's Love and His awesome free gift of salvation and eternal life! Preach it, Brother Jeff! Preach the Word o' Gawd! Do I hear a Hallelujah?! (Hallelujah!) Do I hear a Praise the Lawd?! (Praise the Lawd!) Can I get a witness?! (AAAAMennnnn!) (You know the drill...Glory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 I swear reading Brother Jeff's reply filled me with the holy ghost and I jumped up, slapped my cat and did a back-flip over my office chair! The choice is now clear! Penacostal church, here I come! Thank you Brother Jeff! Praise God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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