Freedom From Religion Foundation And American Atheists Organizations And Dan Barker

[Guest petermoore]

I have been doing some research recently in regards to the atheist/agnostic/skeptical community in the USA. I ran across some puzzling data and I thought some feedback might be helpful.

 

Here is the data:

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

 

I have 4 questions for people. 1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has? 2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has? 3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists? 4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

[Mythra]

conservapedia is a joke.

 

If you want to just peddle your shit, take a hike.

 

If you want to have a conversation about your religion and carry on a meaningful dialogue, your approach sucks.

 

p.s.: I know who you are.

[Mythra]

with a pseudonym like that, you should be selling viagra, not conservapedia.

[R. S. Martin]

Peter Moore, I thought you had gotten the bye-bye. Since you're here I will look at your post but don't expect me to answer in a way that you like. Seems to me you still owe me an answer from your last thread.

 

I have been doing some research recently in regards to the atheist/agnostic/skeptical community in the USA. I ran across some puzzling data and I thought some feedback might be helpful.

 

Here is the data:

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

 

I have 4 questions for people. 1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has?

 

How would I know and why would I care? And why would it be important or interesting?

 

2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has?

 

How would I know and why would I care? And why would it be important or interesting?

 

3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists?

 

Who is Alexia? BTW, I don't read conservapedia. I looked at it once a few weeks ago and it's crap. I evaluate an educational tool by its accuracy of information. Conservapedia is anything but. Alexia aside (since I have no idea who she is but she might be connected with conservapedia), Freedom From Religion Foundation and American Atheists might have the same amount of traffic because the same people may be visiting the two sites. Both are highly respected and well-known sites among nonreligious people and I can see why conservapedia might be targeting it.

 

4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

 

I have never seen a poll. To take a poll we would have to first establish exactly what the boundaries are of the atheist/skeptical community. What boundaries do you suggest?

 

Just now I looked at the link you provided. You plagarized BIG TIME. You presented those questions AS YOUR OWN and they are NOT your own--unless you are the author of the conservapedia article. If you are, you should have acknowledged this and you didn't. That articles is one of the most poorly-written articles in human history. The data is OLD. Pre-internet for the most part. All the same, plagiarism is illegal.

[Mythra]

I see the conservapedia articles have numerous references to tektonics.org.

 

Imagine that.

[Guest petermoore]

The media coverage on the Madalyn Murray O'Hair (ex leader of the American Atheists) affair wasn't exactly flattering even in the very liberal NY Times:

 

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...wanted= print

 

Also, this article was not exactly flattering for the organization American Atheists:

 

WHO SPEAKS FOR ATHEISM? The Problem of American Atheists, Inc. by Howard Thompson, Editor of The Texas Atheist newsletter

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Foru...whospeaks.html

 

Even the liberal Wikipedia website did not seem to reflect on Madalyn Murray O'Hair and the organization American Atheists. (see: the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O'Hair ).

 

So given the above, why do the organizations Freedom From Religion Foundation (associated with Dan Barker) and American Atheists have a similar amount of web traffic according to Alexa?

[R. S. Martin]

So given the above, why do the organizations Freedom From Religion Foundation (associated with Dan Barker) and American Atheists have a similar amount of web traffic according to Alexa?

 

See my answer in Post 4.

[Guest petermoore]

Rubysera,

 

I think before you even mention the possibility of plagariasm you should establish that the posters are not the same person.

[Mythra]

Note to Petermoore, Jonathandickenson, sheila rangslinger, j.p. holding, ingersoll robert turkel:

 

I'd stay away from Carrier and Doherty if I were you. They make you look like a rank amateur.

[Brother Jeff]

I have been doing some research recently in regards to the atheist/agnostic/skeptical community in the USA. I ran across some puzzling data and I thought some feedback might be helpful.

 

Here is the data:

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

 

I have 4 questions for people. 1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has? 2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has? 3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists? 4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

 

Hi, Brother Turkel. Your tektonics site is indeed a joke, and it sucks hard. It's very telling of the weakness of your position that you have to try to pass off little other than arrogant, insulting rants as "apologetics", and it's very telling of the intellectual laziness of your readers that they actually take you seriously.

 

1) I don't know, nor do I really care.

 

2) I don't know, but quite a few. I happen to be a member of American Atheists since I generally agree with their views and support their goals.

 

3) How would any of us know? Ask FFRF and AA.

 

4) Dan Barker is generally very well known among rational, thinking people (atheists/skeptics), as are his numerous glorious works.

 

I'd stay away from Carrier and Doherty if I were you. They make you look like a rank amateur.

 

So does Farrell Till.

[♦ nivek ♦]

So peter-san.....

 

Everybody at Buffalo dot edu's community net connection is a fucking fundamental asshole?

 

Seems harsh that upstate, upscale University has such a collection of buttheads... Guess publiK EduMUSHkashuN has slipped a few gears since I had to ride my dino to skULLe uphill in snowstorms both ways..

 

Clue Truck will be rolling 'round the commons soon, go catch a few soon..

 

kFL

[Ouroboros]

Peter, or whatever flavor of name you go by today, what does it really matter? Are you saying that the number of members decides if their message is valid or not? Basically do you think that 2 Billion Muslims must be right because they're so many? Wait, lets see if numbers really matters... do you or do you not believe your religion (Christianity) started with a band of 13 people? If no, then I guess you got your own version of Bible. If yes, then you don't believe numbers really matters in the beginning of a movment... do you?

 

Idiot. (Second person today that deserves that epithet)

 

-edit-

 

I saw somewhere that there's estimated to be about 16% non-religious people in the world, that would make that group almost 1 billion people. Is that large enough?

[Robbobrob]

I have been doing some research recently in regards to the atheist/agnostic/skeptical community in the USA. I ran across some puzzling data and I thought some feedback might be helpful.

 

Here is the data:

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

 

I have 4 questions for people. 1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has? 2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has? 3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists? 4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

 

What is the prize for whoever gets closest on these questions? I hope it is a new bicycle.

 

1. 436

2. 3,436

3. Because they run in similar rings (get it, web rings, lol).

4. How prominent are you in the religious community?

 

Did I win? Did I win?

I'm going out to buy a pack of baseball cards for the spokes. And maybe a bell too.

[Robbobrob]

OK, I bit and looked at the site provided.

 

All I can say is D'UH. Of course it is has little organization. Why does it have to have an organization?

 

These are people who think for themselves....why would they need a group to belong to? I find it funny that you see the uncult like freedom of Atheism as a threat to you. You must really hate not being able to put Atheists into a little box (catagory) because they just don't fit (as proven by your long winded article about Atheism, which just proved that there is no easy definition to what an Atheist is BEYOND not believing in a deity system.

 

Sadly, Atheists have seen the need to organize, because religious nitwits won't let them live in peace, and so the Atheists know they need to band together to protect themselves from the IDiot Right.

 

Sad that you are spending your life on earth attacking people who just want to be left alone, instead of making sure your own life was a well lived one.

[mwc]

I have 4 questions for people. 1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has?

A billion?

 

2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has?

A zillion?

 

3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists?

It's a...conspiracy!!! (key the music [dum dum dummmmmm])

 

4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

I don't know. He's the top? The bottom? Fair to middle?

 

How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

 

mwc

[mwc]

[snip]

 

So given the above, why do the organizations Freedom From Religion Foundation (associated with Dan Barker) and American Atheists have a similar amount of web traffic according to Alexa?

Oh man, a follow-up question. I'm totally unprepared.

 

Well, I doubt you're going to believe the conspiracy thing again. I'm going to reveal a secret that only atheists know. Madalyn Murray O'Hair and Dan Barker are one and the same. This is why the two seemingly different organizations perform roughly the same according Alexa.

 

So now that you know the truth I guess you'll expose the whole thing on Conservopedia. I can't blame you. Go ahead. Blow the lid off this dirty little secret. The Conservo world needs to know.

 

mwc

[Taphophilia]

I read the article. If O'Hair did the things her son accused her, she's no better than many Christian leaders.

 

Your questions stem from the fact you see atheism as a religion, when it's not.

 

I'd also like to know where this atheist/skeptical community is. As I've been trying to locate it and have had no luck. Thanks.

[Ouroboros]

I have been doing some research recently in regards to the atheist/agnostic/skeptical community in the USA.

Research? You only did a little data gathering and hand picked what you liked for your lying propaganda.

 

I ran across some puzzling data and I thought some feedback might be helpful.

Of course it puzzled you. One-plus-one puzzles you. It tend to be hard for low competent people to understand logic and rational reasoning.

 

Here is the data:

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

After your extensive "research", that's all you got? WOW! It must have taken at least 10 years with your IQ!!!

 

I have 4 questions for people.

Only four? You're quite limited. I got thousands for most everyone.

 

1) How many members do you think the Freedom From Religion Foundation has?

More than your website.

 

2)How many members do you think the organization American Atheists has?

More than your website.

 

3)Why do you think the web traffic as given by Alexa is about the same for Freedom From Religion Foundation as it is for the organization American Atheists?

What time range are you referring to? 1 week, 1 month, 1 year? Per second maybe? I looked at Alexa and compare Atheists.org with Tektonics.org, and you know, they had the same number of hits for a week. Does that mean it's the Atheists visiting Tektonics? Most of you hits come from the non-religious community after your fake propaganda advertizing on forums like this.

 

Warning: next topic you start just to draw traffice, I will delete.

 

4) How prominent is Dan Barker in the atheist/skeptical community?

Eeh? He's a person that I think most atheists/agnostics/non-theists... know about. I listen to some of his podcasts now and then... how prominent is the drug using ex-paster Ted Haggard in the Christian and Neo-conservative community? And how prominent is tax fraud convict Ken Hovind in the Young Earth apologist community?

[R. S. Martin]

Rubysera,

 

I think before you even mention the possibility of plagariasm you should establish that the posters are not the same person.

 

And I think if you expect anyone to take your questions seriously you need to demonstrate having read the answers posted to your questions.

 

The only thing you demonstrate having read is the charge of plagiarism. HanSolo rightly warns that the sole purpose of this thread is propaganda to attract traffic to your piddly website.

 

If you're just another pseudonym for kkj I won't be surprised. I sincerely hope there's only one such idiot walking this planet. That's one idiot too many.

 

Maybe one day I will be pleasantly surprised to find it was all one big joke and that it was just a stupid robot of the machine variety making these crazy posts. Surely no human brain can be quite this stupid!

 

Oh, and while we're at it, Petie, won't you have a look at my glorious sight in my signature? Be sure to seek out the forums and read the history of the forums. My forums are living evidence of the Power of Positive Thinking to Overcome Opposition.

 

*Having now made that statement I better scramble to make back-up copies of all my most recent posts because I can be sure the Enemy will hack and cause harm to my precious forums.*

[Robbobrob]

You really think Pete and kkj are the same?

 

That saddens me. Why can't they stick to one name, and deal with people straight.

 

Oh, wait, their God has been living under different names and not been straight with people for years.

 

Monkey see, Monkey do.

[trashy]

It is painfully obvious that Turkel is not only rabidly fundamentalist but he is also rather ignorant about this whole internet thing - not to mention has little common sense. Here are the missing pieces he ignores. 1 - Alexa measures only visits by those who have downloaded their toolbar. It is thus somewhat representative but rather useless for serious measurements (IOW, advertisers don't use their numbers too much). 2 - Even if a comparison of server logs showed that AA and FFRF had the exact same number of monthly visits it would have little if anything to do with their membership numbers. I'm a member of FFRF and rarely go to their web site. My primary interactions are podcasts and the print newsletter they send out. 3 - FFRF is now approaching (i believe) 11,000 members. If AA's membership is dropping it is probably due to a lack of leadership, vision, purpose, etc......and maybe the presence of the internet. FFRF is more focused on church/state issues rather than atheism in general. 4 - None of the figures mentioned (membership, Alexa rankings, etc.) has any bearing whatsoever on the percentage of the population that is non-religious. As is obvious to most people atheists are very independent, often referring to themselves as 'freethinkers', and this makes gathering them into a cohesive unit about as easy as herding cats.

 

P.S. Turkel - go peddle your lunacy somewhere else

[Robbobrob]

Herding cats...yes, exactly.

[South2003]

http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/ffrf

 

Wish I could pull up the site and be an active part of this decussion, but when I tried to t my job it read in bold red letters:

 

ACCES DENIED

 

 

ROFL!!

[South2003]

How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

 

mwc

 

She sells sea shells on the sea shore

 

LOL!

[Mythra]

Well, I'll just say this about Turkel's Conservapedia.

 

I think it's every bit as legitimate as Kent Hovind's doctorate.