R. S. Martin Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 "It may be your intent to be our masters; how can it be ours to be your slaves?" -- Melians Source: Melians to Athenians, Peloponnesian War, 431 BC" I stole this off Skip's sig. I like it a lot. It seems like something I would like to say to a lot of people who have tried so hard to control me and my life. Somehow, I think it also fits to the present situation where the American religious right thinks it's being persecuted when the nonreligious tenth of the population demands equal rights to Christians. I think I hear the nonreligious folks saying "How can it be our intent to be your slaves?" Yay! to the ancient Melians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobrob Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 From the Illuminati Trilogy (among other sources): Non Serviam. (I will not serve) My version: Non serviam java. (I will not serve coffee) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 From the Illuminati Trilogy (among other sources): Non Serviam. (I will not serve) My version: Non serviam java. (I will not serve coffee) Is it coffee break and you're asked to serve??? Maybe you're on a different wave length than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobrob Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I use the trilogy quote a lot for exactly the same reason you posted your OP. The Non Serviam (according to Wikipedia) has its origins in the Bible, and is something connected to Satan, that he would not serve God, ie he would not be a slave or servant to God the Master. And I have always have held the idea that even if God was in charge, it did not give him the right to enslave me to his will. And I chose to be like Satan and be free to say "No" even to God, and accept the consequences. I think we are on the same wavelength....though mine is always at a very slight askew to the rest of humanity, especially if I find something funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 I use the trilogy quote a lot for exactly the same reason you posted your OP. The Non Serviam (according to Wikipedia) has its origins in the Bible, and is something connected to Satan, that he would not serve God, ie he would not be a slave or servant to God the Master. And I have always have held the idea that even if God was in charge, it did not give him the right to enslave me to his will. And I chose to be like Satan and be free to say "No" even to God, and accept the consequences. I think we are on the same wavelength....though mine is always at a very slight askew to the rest of humanity, especially if I find something funny. I'm glad I posted this quote. It really captured my fancy but these ideas that I bolded here is a new way of putting it so far as I am concerned. I guess my way of saying no to god is that if he wants me to believe he exists he better provide some evidence because I've given too much energy and I am exhausted. I can no longer related to an imperceptible and invisible being. I've got more important things to do. I think I am the kind of person that, if god does exist and there is a heaven, he's going to be obligated to admit me to heaven. So is everyone else. On moral grounds he cannot do otherwise. I guess I can't quite bring myself to say "I'll take the consequences." I have to deal with the issue on the level of the likelihood of god's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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