♦ nivek ♦ Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Not necessary to read all this leftover tripe.. The Big Howevah for me is simply "Isn't jebuzz big enough to prevent earthly gobbermints from controlling his CHURCH so forkin' easily?" Posted mostly for your amusement. kFL ****************** ht*p://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Editorial-Page.htm?InfoNo=025857&From=News Thirty Ways That the IRS Tries to Control Pastors and Churches Do you know that the IRS keeps files on every preacher in America who is quoted in the news on political issues? Each of these propositions have been taken from IRS Publication 1828, Tax Guide For Churches and Other Religious Organizations; two letters from the Regional Commissioner of the IRS Cincinnati that the Indianapolis Baptist Temple in Indianapolis, IN received through discovery; the twenty-two interrogatories that were included with the letters; and the 4 inch file that accompanied the letter with the news clippings on the church and pastor dating back to 1971. The following demands are what the Internal Revenue Service requires of churches to maintain exemption from Federal Income Tax. 1. The church must have a “distinct legal existence†– According to IRS publication #557 that legal existence would date from incorporation, page 3. Therefore the implication is a church must be incorporated. 2. The church must admit that it exists by privilege granted by the IRS (tax-exempt) rather than by right granted by God through the Holy Scriptures (non-taxable), recognizing another Head (State) rather than Christ. 3. The church must have a “recognized creed and form of worshipâ€. The IRS must approve (recognize) the creed (belief) and form (manner) of worship. 4. The church must have a “definite and distinct ecclesiastical government.†That is hierarchal – Papal - not biblical. 5. The church must have a “formal code of doctrine and discipline.†Again, this is not the biblical model. To biblicists, the Holy Scriptures alone are the only rule of faith and practice. 6. The church must have a “distinct religious history.†This is denominational, not biblicist (autonomous). 7. The church must be an “organizationâ€. Again, this is not the Bible model. 8. The church must be an “organization of ordained ministersâ€. Again not biblicist. Local Baptist churches and many others approves its own ministers who might even be laymen as Charles Haddon Spurgeon was. 9. The church must have these ordained ministers who are “selected after completing prescribed courses of studyâ€. Again not Bible. Like the Apostles, who had only “been with Jesusâ€, local Bible churches many times approve pastors who are not educated at all in any formal way. 10. The church must have “established places of worship.†True churches many times have no permanent address (place of worship), but because of persecution and other reasons have moved from place to place. 11. The church must submit to the IRS by paying a user fee (tribute) for tax-exempt status. This would be contrary to the Scriptures, and U.S., and all State Constitutions. 12. The church must be engaged in activities that further “exclusively public Purposes rather than Private interests.†The true church of Christ exists for the personal and private interest of Christ her Head, not the State. 13. The church must answer to the IRS as to its “daily activities.†14. The IRS controls all financial activities of the church including source, donors of $100.00 or more, and expenditures. 15. The church may not use cash, or it will be suspected of money laundering. All books and records must be available for IRS inspection at all times. 16. The church must act in the capacity of an informer to the IRS as to who serves at the church in the capacity of “pastors, associates, counselors, educational directors, teachers, office help, clerical, and maintenance personnel.†17. The church must inform the IRS as to who the church helps in the area of charity. 18. The church must inform the IRS as to love gifts to evangelists and missionaries over $600.00 by filing a Form 1099 on each including those who are regularly supported. 19. The church must use only IRS approved methods of fund raising. 20. The pastor of the church must not preach against the tax system of the U.S. or say anything against the practices and tactics of the IRS. 21. The pastor of the church must answer to the IRS and give unlimited submission to the civil magistrate pertaining to all laws, federal, state and local, including “Public Policy.†22. The pastor of the church must advocate, promote, and actively encourage race mixing if the church has an educational ministry. 23. The pastor of the church cannot influence legislation concerning licensure of church ministries. 24. The pastor of the church cannot engage in political activity in regard to opposing pornography. 25. The pastor of the church cannot actively support legislation that declares that children belong to their parents not the state. 26. The pastor of the church cannot actively support legislation opposing a state lottery or other gambling laws. 27. The pastor of the church cannot advocate support of the U.S. or State Constitutions as the Supreme Law of the U.S. or the various states. 28. The pastor of the church cannot actively participate in opposing the public school system. 29.The pastor of the church cannot declare publicly that the church is to obey God, not government. 30. The pastor of the church cannot oppose laws legalizing sodomy All of this material has been documented in a 47 page booklet and is available for a suggested gift of $15 including postage through: Temple Books P.O. 11 Indianapolis, IN 46206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraphicsGuy Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 "Isn't jebuzz big enough to prevent earthly gobbermints from controlling his CHURCH so forkin' easily?" I agree and I'll add, "Isn't God in charge of setting the governments in place in the first place?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Wasn't it Paul who wrote, "Fear god and honour the king"? Gawd can't have been best pleased by the American Revolution then, can he? Especially as that started as a rebellion, and in the old testament, we find gawd saying, "Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft". Casey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Marty Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 29.The pastor of the church cannot declare publicly that the church is to obey God, not government. Well, I must point out that if a pastor would declare this, it would not be a biblicial statement!. The bible CLEARLY states that god put government here, and we MUST obey the government! Romans 13 anyone? Yet more proof xtians don't read their own rule book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Churches are a for-profit, money hungry business and should be taxed as such. Or else, let every loony who talks to thin air and assembles once a week off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraphicsGuy Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Romans 13 anyone? Yet more proof xtians don't read their own rule book! Oh, they read and see this and they totally ignore it. My ex and I almost split over this issue years ago (hmm...I should have let it happen...) when we got into this huge argument over this section in the Bible. I was looking for some kind of sensibility to Xianity at the time (going through another religious high) and I was trying to take everything in the Bible literally (NT that is...OT was figurative for the most part). Anyway, I was using Romans 13 to point out that: a) As Xians we shouldn't vote - if God is in control it's his decision, our say means nothing Xians in China were disobeying God by breaking their government's laws c) The American revolution was based on rebellion which is a sin Plus there were some other points. Anyway, it was a huge issue between us and I finally backed down (broke down actually) and changed my opinions when she threatened to leave over it. After that I dumped Xianity for a short time since nothing made sense anymore, but was back on the bandwagon again within three months. One of the ex's biggest arguments was that we are to obey "Godly governments" but when they start telling us we can't worship God or they are oppresive then they're no longer "of God." She also said that the passage in Romans was "just for that time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPillAddict Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Serves them right. I wonder what the total amount of tax money that US churches have avoided in the past year alone amounts to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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