dr_funkenstein Posted November 13, 2007 Posted November 13, 2007 ChibiQ: I'm going to throw some biblical contradictions at you and see how you explain these away. PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. Is God good to all, or only a few? EDIT: Sorry... ChibiQ!
Mythra Posted November 14, 2007 Posted November 14, 2007 A couple of years ago some egotistical fundy came on here asking for contradictions and inconsistencies in the bible. He (or it may have been a she - I can't remember) was going to deal with each and every one and explain to us how they weren't really contradictions. Well, within about three days the thread was 9 pages long, and the fundy managed to attempt apologetics on about two items. It was a joke. Oh, I found it. I was wrong. It was 15 pages. iprayican was the thread starter here: http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?showtopic=4548
PandaPirate Posted December 11, 2007 Posted December 11, 2007 ChibiQ: I'm going to throw some biblical contradictions at you and see how you explain these away. PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. Is God good to all, or only a few? EDIT: Sorry... ChibiQ! I think it's because the christian god is a misogynistic, schizophrenic, psychopathic control freak.
Guest WarrantedPVC Posted December 13, 2007 Posted December 13, 2007 I think it's because the christian god is a misogynistic, schizophrenic, psychopathic control freak. You don't even know whether God likes war or peace: Exodus 15:3: The Lord is a man of war. Psalm 18:34: He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 144:1: Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. Romans 15:33: The God of Peace. 1 Corinthians 14:33: God is not the author of confusion but of peace. 2 Thessalonians 3:16: The Lord of peace himself give you peace always. Hebrews 13:20: The God of peace.... It appears that the OT God is quite different from the NT God anyway! PVC
SWIM Posted December 13, 2007 Posted December 13, 2007 I think butthead is still on his one month suspension btw. Anyway, he will only make something up. That's his MO.
Mythra Posted December 13, 2007 Posted December 13, 2007 I think the most effective biblical contradiction is also one of the simplest. And it has implications beyond simply looking for inconsistencies within the Word of the Load. For this contradiction affects the christian worldview and the need for redemption. It questions the need for a savior. It brings into the discussion the entire relationship between Yahweh and Humankind. It presents an argument that, if all of the proper rules are followed, it is possible to please God completely independent of the Lord Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice. So, without further adieu, we will allow the texts to speak for themselves: Romans 3:10 As it is written, none is righteous, no not one. No one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. vs. Luke 1:5 In the days of Herod, King of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah. And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord. Job 1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. Genesis 6:9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. And so, we read of the universal condemnation called down upon humankind by Paul. And then we search the bible to verify that the remainder of the good book is in agreement. And we discover it is not. And no amount of apologetic calisthenics can remove the discrepancy.
Grandpa Harley Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 somehow, I doubt ChibiQ will show his pointy head after the great non-event of the 15th
GraphicsGuy Posted January 3, 2008 Posted January 3, 2008 Them prophets love the speak-and-run tactics.
NoNameSam Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 I think it's because the christian god is a misogynistic, schizophrenic, psychopathic control freak. You don't even know whether God likes war or peace: Exodus 15:3: The Lord is a man of war. Psalm 18:34: He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 144:1: Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. Romans 15:33: The God of Peace. 1 Corinthians 14:33: God is not the author of confusion but of peace. 2 Thessalonians 3:16: The Lord of peace himself give you peace always. Hebrews 13:20: The God of peace.... It appears that the OT God is quite different from the NT God anyway! PVC "The Lord is a man of war"...Although this can be taken two ways...one he is a man who supports war...or two is a man who is brought into, or becasue of a war....and "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight" could be taken as the man is accepting the lord as his strength for which he fights a war . I'm not a christian but you can't take everything in the bible so literally.
par4dcourse Posted January 22, 2008 Posted January 22, 2008 I think the babble's biggest contradiction is Matthew 16:28. Jebus claims he'll be back before all off his listeners croak. I've heard the "wandering jew" explanation but I'm not buying it. How do the sane xtians explain that one?
Guest TrueLife Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I think it's because the christian god is a misogynistic, schizophrenic, psychopathic control freak. You don't even know whether God likes war or peace: Exodus 15:3: The Lord is a man of war. Psalm 18:34: He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 144:1: Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight. Romans 15:33: The God of Peace. 1 Corinthians 14:33: God is not the author of confusion but of peace. 2 Thessalonians 3:16: The Lord of peace himself give you peace always. Hebrews 13:20: The God of peace.... It appears that the OT God is quite different from the NT God anyway! PVC "The Lord is a man of war"...Although this can be taken two ways...one he is a man who supports war...or two is a man who is brought into, or becasue of a war....and "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight" could be taken as the man is accepting the lord as his strength for which he fights a war . I'm not a christian but you can't take everything in the bible so literally. I BELIEVE IT'S CLEAR THAT GOD CHANGES HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT...HE SENDS HIS SON JESUS TO "CUT" A NEW COVENANT OR "NEW TESTAMENT" WITH MAN....A MORE PEACEFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN. BUT I GUESS THIS WORLD WILL BE SUCH A BETTER PLACE JUST AS SOON AS ALL PEOPLE WILL STOP BELIEVING IN GOD
Ouroboros Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Just a little tip TrueLife, don't type in UPPERCASE, because it's considered SHOUTING on the web. Besides, TrueLife, can God change his way or change his mind? And also, humans will not stop believing in a higher power; most people need that security blanked and prefer to live a lie, supported by myth, and powerhungry preachers. So dont worry, your fantasy will not go away.
Guest TrueLife Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Does God chose some and not others before they are even in existance to belong to him? Romans 9 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?†21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, OR Is god impartial, loving all and wishing that none would perish? Romans 2:11 For there is no partiality with God. I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE ON THIS ONE! SADLY, MANY CHRISTIANS ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. God's lack of partiality has been taught wrong for so long many are confused. The Apostle Paul is speaking to a people that think they are the only ones that deserve God, and to those that think any the Jews are allowed to be saved, and he is speaking to the poor, low class people who feel unworthy to partake of the gift of Christ. Paul simply explains that God has no partiality with who you are or what walk of life you're from. God will call whom ever he choses= money or no money, class or no class, beauty or ugly it doesn't matter. WHAT ABOUT THE VESSELS OF HONOR AND DISHONOR? The point Apostle Paul is trying to explain is God made everything, He is the Creator. God doesn't have to answer to his creation no more than we have to excuse ourselves to a bologna sandwitch! That sandwitch can't say to us "Hey! Why didn't you make me out of ham!" Job 34:19: “Yet He is not partial to princes, nor does He regard the rich more than the poor; for they are all the work of His hands.†2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Grandpa Harley Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Great... The Sovreignty card... moron. And the word is sandwich... you muppet
Neon Genesis Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I BELIEVE IT'S CLEAR THAT GOD CHANGES HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT...HE SENDS HIS SON JESUS TO "CUT" A NEW COVENANT OR "NEW TESTAMENT" WITH MAN....A MORE PEACEFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH MAN. BUT I GUESS THIS WORLD WILL BE SUCH A BETTER PLACE JUST AS SOON AS ALL PEOPLE WILL STOP BELIEVING IN GODHebrews 13:8 says that, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." If Jesus is God in human flesh, then it stands to reason that if Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, then that it must also apply to God as well since they're one and the same. That means God is always the same. So, if God is always the same, then God's relationship with man is always the same. Yet those two verses clearly show that God does not stay the same. So, please explain why God is clearly different between the OT and NT if he's supposed to be the same yesterday, today, and forever? I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE ON THIS ONE! SADLY, MANY CHRISTIANS ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. God's lack of partiality has been taught wrong for so long many are confused. The Apostle Paul is speaking to a people that think they are the only ones that deserve God, and to those that think any the Jews are allowed to be saved, and he is speaking to the poor, low class people who feel unworthy to partake of the gift of Christ. Paul simply explains that God has no partiality with who you are or what walk of life you're from. God will call whom ever he choses= money or no money, class or no class, beauty or ugly it doesn't matter.Yeah, God shows no partiality to anyone, expect for atheists and we have to conform to whatever he says, right? And if God is so all-knowing and all-powerful and so many Christians are confused about this verse, why didn't he use his all-knowing and all-powerful magic to realize ahead of time that we mere mortals wouldn't be able to comprehend the bible and make the bible clearer for everyone to understand? Here's another one. In Mark 3:23-27, "So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end. No one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man. And then he will plunder his house." Christainity is divided against itself through all the different denominations and beliefs, so if there's any shred of truth to the bible, then according to Jesus, does that mean Christianity will end and the bible was really a lie? But if Christianity continues to remain standing in spite of being dividied against itself, then was Jesus wrong and the bible still lied? Also, can you tell me where in the bible is the prophecy in Matthew 2:23 made and who said it?
Ouroboros Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 And the word is sandwich... you muppet Sand-witch. It's a witch that lives in the sand, like a gnome under the house, or an elf-sprit in the tree... me'thinks... She won't cast an evil eye on you, but evil sand in your eyes.
Ouroboros Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE ON THIS ONE! SADLY, MANY CHRISTIANS ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS AS WELL. God's lack of partiality has been taught wrong for so long many are confused. The Apostle Paul is speaking to a people that think they are the only ones that deserve God, and to those that think any the Jews are allowed to be saved, and he is speaking to the poor, low class people who feel unworthy to partake of the gift of Christ. Paul simply explains that God has no partiality with who you are or what walk of life you're from. God will call whom ever he choses= money or no money, class or no class, beauty or ugly it doesn't matter. WHAT ABOUT THE VESSELS OF HONOR AND DISHONOR? The point Apostle Paul is trying to explain is God made everything, He is the Creator. God doesn't have to answer to his creation no more than we have to excuse ourselves to a bologna sandwitch! That sandwitch can't say to us "Hey! Why didn't you make me out of ham!" So God intentionally made some people into sinners and doomed to Hell?
Grandpa Harley Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 And the word is sandwich... you muppet Sand-witch. It's a witch that lives in the sand, like a gnome under the house, or an elf-sprit in the tree... me'thinks... She won't cast an evil eye on you, but evil sand in your eyes. And there are bologna flavoured ones in Scandic Trolldom? I never knew!
Grandpa Harley Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 So God intentionally made some people into sinners and doomed to Hell? Yes, cos his God is a big twat God... who can do what the fuck he likes cos he's GOD and what are we gonna do cept kiss ass and hope god forgives us for being imperfect LIKE HE MADE US...
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