Anyone Catch This Unscientific Passage In The Bible?

[Guest Venat]

In Revelation 6 it says...

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

Does anyone see how this is ridiculous since stars are massive(so massive our planet is dwarfed :/) and are light years upon light years away.

 

I mean even if they were shoved at ludicrous speeds toward earth somehow, the plural(stars falling to earth cannnot happen). The very first star to even come close to earth would vaporize it....so the other stars wouldn't have their chance to fall unto earth as it says. This is also one example of how ridiculous stars falling to earth is(maybe you can come up with others?)

 

Again, is this further proof its written by scared goat herders and not a God?

You decide...dun dun dun

[Dave]

How about a cure for leprosy?

[GraphicsGuy]

Don't forget a third of the sun and moon going dark...

[Amanda]

Great insight Venat! It seems so evident that these accounts are impossible to be taken literally. However, if one looks to these sayings as metaphorically, and taken in the times of the day... it can have a different meaning.

 

So, maybe it could be stars, like the "stars" of Hollywood... So those being the "stars" in those days of "heaven", the religious right then as they even are today, are humbled back down to earth and out of their delusional elitist state, done so like the agitation of a mighty force, such as ExChristian.net, that causes these immature religious/fundamentalist groups to be cast down before their agenda goes any further.

 

Just an idea...

[Guest EricTheBlue]

The list is endless, though I admit I haven't heard that one before.

 

My personal favorite is that rabbits chew their cud.

[Antlerman]

I was just going to point out my personal favorite fallacy if the Bible is taken literally, that the vegetation grew on the 3rd day, before the sun was created on the 4th. But as I was looking at it I saw this:

 

"God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. "

 

I never caught this before. God invented language and taught humans human vocabulary. Earth and Sea are words God himself made up! Cool. I wonder if he had a little classroom in the Garden of Eden with two desks and a blackboard where He taught the two humans his language?

 

This then could be used to explain the tradition of why students bring the teacher an apple. It represents human's flunking and getting expelled from school. This therefore proves the validity of scripture. Amen and class dismissed.

[Ouroboros]

A-man, they spoke Anglish.

 

One have to wonder how God could say "let there be light" even before there were any air to create the sound waves. So in the first verse we already know it's not literally "spoke" but a figure of speech, like God spoke in spirit or spoke from a different dimension, but in essence not "spoke" in the definition or sense we understand it conventionally.

[Antlerman]

A-man, they spoke Anglish.

 

One have to wonder how God could say "let there be light" even before there were any air to create the sound waves. So in the first verse we already know it's not literally "spoke" but a figure of speech, like God spoke in spirit or spoke from a different dimension, but in essence not "spoke" in the definition or sense we understand it conventionally.

Yes, but then after the 2nd day when he made atmosphere, then when he spoke it was literal audible words. So Earth and Sea on the 3rd day when he made up those words Himself, were real words in the sense that we know them. Next time you say Earth or Sea, you need to be aware these are Holy Ghost words, and you should make the sign of the cross or something in recognition of this.

 

Am I the only one around here who can see this?? It's so damn obvious. You're without excuse, you ungodly sinner. (Ro 1:20) Next time you say Earth, your tongue will probably light on fire, and we're not talking HG tongues here.

[RedPillAddict]

In Revelation 6 it says...

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

Does anyone see how this is ridiculous since stars are massive(so massive our planet is dwarfed :/) and are light years upon light years away.

 

I mean even if they were shoved at ludicrous speeds toward earth somehow, the plural(stars falling to earth cannnot happen). The very first star to even come close to earth would vaporize it....so the other stars wouldn't have their chance to fall unto earth as it says. This is also one example of how ridiculous stars falling to earth is(maybe you can come up with others?)

 

Again, is this further proof its written by scared goat herders and not a God?

You decide...dun dun dun

 

You just don't get it Venat. You have to have a relationship with God to understand his word.

The "stars of Heaven" are really yellow gremlins with enormous penises. They will fall to Earth and "implant" the love of God into your backside.

[Sparrow]

In Revelation 6 it says...

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

Does anyone see how this is ridiculous since stars are massive(so massive our planet is dwarfed :/) and are light years upon light years away.

 

I mean even if they were shoved at ludicrous speeds toward earth somehow, the plural(stars falling to earth cannnot happen). The very first star to even come close to earth would vaporize it....so the other stars wouldn't have their chance to fall unto earth as it says. This is also one example of how ridiculous stars falling to earth is(maybe you can come up with others?)

 

Again, is this further proof its written by scared goat herders and not a God?

You decide...dun dun dun

 

 

Golly gee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

but ...... what's your point?

 

Most of the bible, even when you adjust it for language and time, looks like it was written by a retard.

 

I know you mean well, but .....

 

Spatz

[Evolution_beyond]

Next time you say Earth or Sea, you need to be aware these are Holy Ghost words, and you should make the sign of the cross or something in recognition of this.

 

But the original bible texts were in Hebrew so it would be the Hebrew words for Earth and Sea

[Antlerman]

Next time you say Earth or Sea, you need to be aware these are Holy Ghost words, and you should make the sign of the cross or something in recognition of this.

 

But the original bible texts were in Hebrew so it would be the Hebrew words for Earth and Sea

Correction, the original translation of God's words were into Hebrew, but once the fullness of time had come the Truth™ eventually found its way back into the original English spoken by God "in the beginning." Now it's true power is once again known. (To be more precise, once it's spoken in American English, with the proper Midwestern accent, then it's how it sounded when God spoke it. Has to be, since that's how everyone talks around here and we're all created in the image of God. They call this God's country for a reason. It's where his language is spoken).

[Dhampir]

it can have a different meaning.

That's where you'd be wrong, as evinced by your next statements.

[Amanda]

it can have a different meaning.

That's where you'd be wrong, as evinced by your next statements.

Dhampir... are you saying it could have many different meanings?

 

Whereas I am merely suggesting that particular message, amongst others, could have a different intention in its communication than its literal interpretation. Maybe it should not be taken at such a superficial level, but perhaps there is something deeper in the perspective of it being a metaphorical message. If you are saying that my statements to follow do not reveal that possible, could you please explain why.

 

[Dhampir]

Sorry. I didn't see "...and taken in the times of the day..." which if I understand correctly, means with the understandings of that time. On the other hand, even in that period, the vagueness of those metaphors, elaborate though they can be, would still leave a great deal of interpretation open to those that didn't have the inside track from the authors themselves, or organizations that held those books.

 

At any rate, with no ability to know for certain what is metaphor and what is literal (although in a lot of areas, it is fairly obvious which is intended) to me at least, it makes very little sense to try to derive meaningful lessons from the bible, especially when there are other sources of so-called 'sage wisdom', including other holy books.

[HuaiDan]

Yeah. And stars never get ripe!

[Amanda]

Sorry. I didn't see "...and taken in the times of the day..." which if I understand correctly, means with the understandings of that time. On the other hand, even in that period, the vagueness of those metaphors, elaborate though they can be, would still leave a great deal of interpretation open to those that didn't have the inside track from the authors themselves, or organizations that held those books.

Dhampir, perhaps that is why these messages were for "those who have an ear, let them hear." IMO, the initial movement is far, far from what it is today, if not almost opposite. Additionally, the religious right is probably about the same today as it was then. These messages of this new movement had to be obscured, so they would not have the wrath of the religious right. Wouldn't it be ironic if these messages the fundamentalists claim to be of highest regards. are actually against their very own position? :ohmy:

At any rate, with no ability to know for certain what is metaphor and what is literal (although in a lot of areas, it is fairly obvious which is intended) to me at least, it makes very little sense to try to derive meaningful lessons from the bible, especially when there are other sources of so-called 'sage wisdom', including other holy books.

I agree. One would have to use reason, and research the original manuscript from which the KJV was taken to get a somewhat clearer picture. That's too much work, and lots of other 'sage wisdom' is written in a style that is more user friendly. Heck, if we just use our own reason, that seems like that would be sufficient. Besides, our culture today has so much dysfunctional fundamentalism entertwined into our everyday life, subtly passed on to each generation as a presupposition, it is probably best for most to leave that faith... and do as you suggest.

 

However, I do think that it is important that people do not assume EVERYONE that gives respect to these teachings are fundamentalists. Then how would that be any better than the judegmental fundamentalsits, who expouse a superficial teaching without considering more details?

 

Yeah. And stars never get ripe!

 

Yeah, Huai Dan, and if "stars" are the self elitist religious right... that would be a good thing, right?

[Mythra]

There is UNSCIENTIFIC stuff in the Bible???

 

Well, that certainly makes me sad in my intestines.

[Mike D]

In Revelation 6 it says...

If you read the entire book of Revelation, it is essentially nothing more than the delusional tirade of a hallucinating psychotic.

 

There's no question that if the writer of Revelation was alive today he would be dismissed by most people as a kook, and probably commited to the nearest mental hospital as certifiably insane. However, since he's been dead for over 2000 years for some reason people decide he was sane and they take what he wrote as literal fact. This makes perfect sense to me

[Kat22]

In Revelation 6 it says...

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

Does anyone see how this is ridiculous since stars are massive(so massive our planet is dwarfed :/) and are light years upon light years away.

 

You might want to try skipping back a few thousand years, before they knew about meteors and such. If someone is seeing a vision of the end of the world, and meteors come crashing to the earth, they would think it was stars falling. You also have to understand that Revelation is not communicating literally but, for the majority of the book, is done in metaphors. No one could possibly write literally when they have no idea how to explain these things to the common people. Seeing something that won't happen for thousands of years.. well, a lot of it they didn't even have names for until recently (meaning over the past few hundred years).

[Ouroboros]

You might want to try skipping back a few thousand years, before they knew about meteors and such. If someone is seeing a vision of the end of the world, and meteors come crashing to the earth, they would think it was stars falling. You also have to understand that Revelation is not communicating literally but, for the majority of the book, is done in metaphors. No one could possibly write literally when they have no idea how to explain these things to the common people. Seeing something that won't happen for thousands of years.. well, a lot of it they didn't even have names for until recently (meaning over the past few hundred years).

So you admit that things in the Bible are written in a metaphoric language? Lets say that Genesis was written in metaphors too, and many other of the stories in the Bible. Are you willing to think that?

[Mike D]

You might want to try skipping back a few thousand years, before they knew about meteors and such. If someone is seeing a vision of the end of the world, and meteors come crashing to the earth, they would think it was stars falling. You also have to understand that Revelation is not communicating literally but, for the majority of the book, is done in metaphors.

So the writer was talking about actual meteors falling to earth in that verse? Oh but wait, you just said the majority of Revelation is not communicating literally, but is done in metaphors. So how is it you know which few verses are literal (like this one), vs what's a metephor? You must be a very talented Bible scholar with years of experience translating Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek to English (and other languages) to be able to know all this.

 

P.S. Revelation is nothing more than a bad hallucination and anyone who would take it as anything else (literal or metaphor) should seek immediate psychological counseling.

[Antlerman]

In Revelation 6 it says...

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

Does anyone see how this is ridiculous since stars are massive(so massive our planet is dwarfed :/) and are light years upon light years away.

 

You might want to try skipping back a few thousand years, before they knew about meteors and such. If someone is seeing a vision of the end of the world, and meteors come crashing to the earth, they would think it was stars falling.

You might want to skip ahead another 10,000 years where no one now yet knows about Xranog particles. Then the real truth will be known. You're wrong about these being metors, since they didn't just start falling in the last 20 years Kat. They've been around since, well, 4.5 billion years ago. It's Xranog particles that are being spoken of in Revelation, but you don't know that yet because no one will until 10,000 years from now.

 

You also have to understand that Revelation is not communicating literally but, for the majority of the book, is done in metaphors.

Absolutely correct. God is a metaphor! Now apply that to the previous 65 books and you're on your way to wisdom. But since you like idiotic garbage like The Mater's Way, I doubt there's much hope for that happening without a sever overhall.

 

No one could possibly write literally when they have no idea how to explain these things to the common people.

Ahh... you mean like God? So the language about God is all metaphors then, since God is so beyond anyone's ability to comprehend, right? Boy are you hypoctically inconsistent. What's sauce for the goose, kiddo. It's ALL a metaphor in all 66 books.

 

Seeing something that won't happen for thousands of years.. well, a lot of it they didn't even have names for until recently (meaning over the past few hundred years).

That's funny. You don't know anything about how words are created, do you?

[Kat22]

You might want to try skipping back a few thousand years, before they knew about meteors and such. If someone is seeing a vision of the end of the world, and meteors come crashing to the earth, they would think it was stars falling. You also have to understand that Revelation is not communicating literally but, for the majority of the book, is done in metaphors. No one could possibly write literally when they have no idea how to explain these things to the common people. Seeing something that won't happen for thousands of years.. well, a lot of it they didn't even have names for until recently (meaning over the past few hundred years).

So you admit that things in the Bible are written in a metaphoric language? Lets say that Genesis was written in metaphors too, and many other of the stories in the Bible. Are you willing to think that?

 

I would be arrogant to assume that I know all that is literal and all that is metaphor. However, I do believe that God made the earth in six days. Not everything in the bible is a metaphor. There is actually an entire system to help uncover which passages are metaphors and which ones are literal. That, of course, is not a perfect system but it does narrow the passages, one might question, down considerably.

 

However, to answer another post, I didn't actually say that meteors were what John saw in his vision. I was using that as an example while also including the fact that metaphors are often used. My goal was to give examples that show there are answers to passages like this one.

[Ouroboros]

I would be arrogant to assume that I know all that is literal and all that is metaphor. However, I do believe that God made the earth in six days.

Why do you believe that?

 

Augustine, one of the early Church fathers, did not believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis. But, hey, he's just one of those pesky early adopters of the religion. What could he know?... Or the Jewish philosopher and religious thinker Philo from Alexandria, he also thought Genesis was allegorical. He lived at the time of Jesus. But again, what could he know? He's just a heretic, while you know for sure that your ideas rooted in a 100 year old fundamentalist movement must be right.

 

Not everything in the bible is a metaphor. There is actually an entire system to help uncover which passages are metaphors and which ones are literal.

Then why don't Christians agree? Why are there so incredible many ways and interpretations and no one can agree?

 

What about the Jesus seminars? Are they heretic? Those evil theologians with PhD who read a thousand times more books than you and me, agreeing that not all the words in the Gospels were originated from Jesus. Are they Christians? Or are they Evil because they disagree with you?

 

That, of course, is not a perfect system but it does narrow the passages, one might question, down considerably.

Not really. There are a tremendous width on ideas how to interpret the Bible. It's all the way from super literalism to super liberalism. All accounted for. I think there's less disparity in the understanding and interpretations of the Lord of the Rings in the LotR's groups.

 

-edit-

 

Think about this.

 

In what kind of medium did God "talk" when he said "let there be light"? Is that a figure of speech or a literal truth that he spoke like we do in space filled with air (before air was created)? If you look at several of the verses, you can know that it is not literal, but a story that tries to describe in some fabulous words how the Creator created the world. For instance, ask yourself, did God create the plants before or after the sun? Did God create the sun before or after the first day, first night and the second day? How does one count in days and night in space? How does one measure in specific mornings, days and nights on a spherical planet where we have 1 AM consecutively sometime somewhere 24 hours a day, or did you forget the world was round? Shall we go on? What about the command God gives the oceans? Did he create the sea life, or did he command the sea to "bring forth" life? (i.e. commanded the sea to create the sea life). There is more, but I let you think about it.