Has Everyone Seen This Video?

[Lightbearer]

 

 

I put it in the Lions Den because it might cause fiery debate. Feel free to move if you want to Mods.

[Antlerman]

It's just the shock and dismay of parents in a family situation that to outsiders is hard to comprehend. Same as it would be in nearly every family home. I'm sure after the initial shock factor, there was a different dynamic that was less volatile, but still pretty unique to the dynamic of that family. In short, it's not fair to judge on the surface on something like this. It's completely out of context of family dynamics. It's not a philosophical thing. It's not really a fair look into it. Looks like little brother or whoever shot it is quite the little sneak.

[SWIM]

 

 

I put it in the Lions Den because it might cause fiery debate. Feel free to move if you want to Mods.

 

 

Oh I saw this before, it's sad really, how closed-minded and serious people are over their invisible friend...

[Robbobrob]

It does bring up the fact that we all have lost any rights to privacy, even within our own homes. Anyone can tape with a cell phone or digital camera anything that goes on anywhere, and post it to the world in a matter of minutes, and the damage is done to the privacy of the individual taped, no matter how illegal the taping was.

[sojourner]

I have to wonder watching that how much of that anger spilling out isnt really at God instead of her son. If you lived believing your God would torture unbelievers forever then had your son drop the bombshell of being one of them on you it might just all come bubbling out to the surface very unexpectedly.

 

I hope they have worked thru this and she has faced her anger and allowed the love for her Son to overcome it.

 

sojourner

[Kelli]

That's almost as bad as Darksided Lady...

[Ouroboros]

What bugs me is that it's not an uncommon situation. From testimonies on this site it seems like there is a fair share of people that get ostracized or abused verbally or physically for leaving Christianity. I suspect it's rare that anyone gets killed over it though, but it shows that religion is anchored in very strong emotions like fear and frustration. People don't react this way when they are confident about it and feel secure. If people really did believe it is all in God's hands, then they wouldn't act by taking it in their own hands. To me it proves they really don't believe the Biblical phrase "all will work out for the better".

[Antlerman]

Two other things occurred to me here. Most people, especially those within a family unit, see their religion as a common identity and for a child to announce he's no longer part of that is tantamount to saying "I'm not part of this family" to them. That's the reaction you see there, and the apparent illogic of the argument (hence why I said this is not a philosophical rebuttal and why it's totally unfair to say it's "closed mindedness". Second, the kid could well have just been saying this to get a reaction, and in no way is really a genuine philosophical atheist.

 

Atheism is the "popular" thing today amongst today's "new atheists" like Dawkins and company, which is more of a anti-religious stance rather than a philosophical one. I more than half suspect you see this dynamic playing out in homes across America much like this, where in a matter of a couple months little Bobby is back at church praying with mom and dad once they've started to hear his real issues at home brought to light through this challenge. He knew how to get them, and it clearly worked.

 

Only point of going to this length is to discourage anyone from looking at this as some indication how stupid people who believe in God are. That's as much of an oversimplification if not worse than saying "goddidit" to everything. It doesn’t bother to look at the complexity of it before passing judgment that fits one’s bias.

[Kelli]

You know, I just had a thought on this...

 

No wonder the kid has left his mother's faith. Do you think that's the only time she has acted like a nasty, hypocritical bitch? If I constantly had religion shoved down my throat in such a way, I'd kick it too. Ummm, in fact, I did, LOL, only it wasn't my mother who pushed me over the edge. This woman really is clueless. Totally and completely clueless. My guess is she's so worried about keeping up a good appearance, she will sacrifice her relationship with her son in order to maintain it. Sadly, it seems most fundies are that way. I feel for the kids. They are the victims. For every kid like this one who isn't afraid to kick back, there's probably a dozen more that are too afraid to say anything negative and so they keep their thoughts and feelings all locked up. Real healthy.

[sojourner]

That's almost as bad as Darksided Lady...

 

Hi KelliKat,

 

What is Darksided Lady? Or was that even to my response?

 

Did you all see another video on that same page in the list about the "crazy christian lady" (I think that was in the title) that was on Wife Swap? I saw that show, wow, and it really freaked my daughter out. She couldnt believe there were people like that in the world. That woman ended up having her life changed over that show. I saw some later interview with her, cant recall what on, but that was really good for her to see herself so whacked out and be touched by folks so different than her.

 

sojourner

[Kelli]

That's almost as bad as Darksided Lady...

 

Hi KelliKat,

 

What is Darksided Lady? Or was that even to my response?

 

Did you all see another video on that same page in the list about the "crazy christian lady" (I think that was in the title) that was on Wife Swap? I saw that show, wow, and it really freaked my daughter out. She couldnt believe there were people like that in the world. That woman ended up having her life changed over that show. I saw some later interview with her, cant recall what on, but that was really good for her to see herself so whacked out and be touched by folks so different than her.

 

sojourner

 

Yeah, Darksided lady is that nutjob from WifeSwap. I was replying to the OP, LOL. I saw her website a while ago and at that point she was still defending her actions on the show. I haven't looked recently.

[sojourner]

Oh lol we were talking about the same lady. Well then what I saw must have been bunk, probably her trying to avoid looking so bad, but not real.

I will look for her website, can you leave comments muwhahaha

 

sojourner

[Purple]

Well I decided to go look for Maguerite Perrin's site myself. All the forums were closed, due to overwhelming trolls, but when you clicked on pics it also appears to have been hacked. Worse though, it appears back in Sept her oldest daughter died in a car accident. I know tragedy touches us all, but it just struck me as sad, and makes making light of her, for me more difficult.

 

http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2007/09/daughter-of-tra.html

[sojourner]

That is very sad indeed.

 

sojourner

[Lightbearer]

Two other things occurred to me here. Most people, especially those within a family unit, see their religion as a common identity and for a child to announce he's no longer part of that is tantamount to saying "I'm not part of this family" to them. That's the reaction you see there, and the apparent illogic of the argument (hence why I said this is not a philosophical rebuttal and why it's totally unfair to say it's "closed mindedness". Second, the kid could well have just been saying this to get a reaction, and in no way is really a genuine philosophical atheist.

 

Atheism is the "popular" thing today amongst today's "new atheists" like Dawkins and company, which is more of a anti-religious stance rather than a philosophical one. I more than half suspect you see this dynamic playing out in homes across America much like this, where in a matter of a couple months little Bobby is back at church praying with mom and dad once they've started to hear his real issues at home brought to light through this challenge. He knew how to get them, and it clearly worked.

 

Only point of going to this length is to discourage anyone from looking at this as some indication how stupid people who believe in God are. That's as much of an oversimplification if not worse than saying "goddidit" to everything. It doesn’t bother to look at the complexity of it before passing judgment that fits one’s bias.

 

 

I think your evading a moral judgement here. Since this is all the evidence I'm presented with I can fully say that the woman is way out of line, the family period. The father(or other dude) sits there and does nothing while the mother screams at and cusses the kid out. Then uses force against and gets up in his face. That's very immature and irrational behavior from any human being, and sadly, something that's almost to be expected from a Christian person. That's not a "bias" just a statement of fact. Also, we can conclude that these people may not be "fundies" because she said they were going to start going to church every week. Which means they haven't been going every week, like a lot of Christians, they only seem to take their religion seriously when someone else questions it.

 

Edit: There isn't a lot of information there, but enough to make a judgement until further notice.

[SWIM]

Hacked

 

I didn't see where it was hacked, maybe they caught it and fixed it.

 

Amazing how you can go on a show, be a total ass, then suddenly you have "celebrity" status...

[Antlerman]

Two other things occurred to me here. Most people, especially those within a family unit, see their religion as a common identity and for a child to announce he's no longer part of that is tantamount to saying "I'm not part of this family" to them. That's the reaction you see there, and the apparent illogic of the argument (hence why I said this is not a philosophical rebuttal and why it's totally unfair to say it's "closed mindedness". Second, the kid could well have just been saying this to get a reaction, and in no way is really a genuine philosophical atheist.

 

Atheism is the "popular" thing today amongst today's "new atheists" like Dawkins and company, which is more of a anti-religious stance rather than a philosophical one. I more than half suspect you see this dynamic playing out in homes across America much like this, where in a matter of a couple months little Bobby is back at church praying with mom and dad once they've started to hear his real issues at home brought to light through this challenge. He knew how to get them, and it clearly worked.

 

Only point of going to this length is to discourage anyone from looking at this as some indication how stupid people who believe in God are. That's as much of an oversimplification if not worse than saying "goddidit" to everything. It doesn’t bother to look at the complexity of it before passing judgment that fits one’s bias.

 

 

I think your evading a moral judgement here. Since this is all the evidence I'm presented with I can fully say that the woman is way out of line, the family period. The father(or other dude) sits there and does nothing while the mother screams at and cusses the kid out. Then uses force against and gets up in his face. That's very immature and irrational behavior from any human being, and sadly, something that's almost to be expected from a Christian person. That's not a "bias" just a statement of fact. Also, we can conclude that these people may not be "fundies" because she said they were going to start going to church every week. Which means they haven't been going every week, like a lot of Christians, they only seem to take their religion seriously when someone else questions it.

 

Edit: There isn't a lot of information there, but enough to make a judgement until further notice.

I’m not evading passing judgment morally, I’m avoiding it with good reason. The only judgment that can be made is that there is not enough info to make a judgment. If there’s not enough information, we should reserve judgment, not pass it until something else comes along.

 

You're observation that she's not a fundi fits perfectly into what I said about how that most average citizens view of their faith is that of cultural and family identity. Her irrational reaction is centered on that, not her religious beliefs in some flying Messiah or whatever mythical being. That sort of reaction happens all the time in culture no matter what the issue, like a German marrying a Swede, or a Jew a Catholic, or interracial marriage, etc, so religion has little to do with it – culture everything. Is cultural identity an irrational thing, or how some people deal with challenges to it?

 

To say it proves her behavior is what we should expect from Christians is as unfair and distasteful to me as the Christian saying behavior X is what we should expect from Atheists, as is evidenced by my response to this poster here: http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?show...mp;#entry296746 This is what I would expect from some parents who haven’t learned skills to deal with this level of challenge to their relationships with their children.

 

Every human being responds differently to being confronted with something like this. Was her reaction rational? No. Is she to be judged by others as out of line in her family relations when confronted by a challenge from Junior (who probably isn't a real atheist anyway)? No. Not by us. She probably just hasn't had to deal with something like this and doesn't have the skill set.

 

I'd hate to think the Internet community having an uninvited look into the living rooms of any family in a scene of domestic upheaval has any qualification to make any judgment of that situation or the people involved, other than trying to be gracious and give the benefit of the doubt when information is so glaringly lacking. Just because it has religion as the topic of dispute, doesn’t make it about religion.