RedPillAddict Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 If God created human beings just as they are and in his perfect image, then why do we have wisdom teeth, appendixes, tail-bones(and in some cases, tails), and internal structures built to support a quadruped(obviously from ancestors)? Why do we need our flimsy little toenails and fingernails? I would think they were leftover from a time when our ancestors actually used them because they were thicker and sharper. And why stop there? Why do Ostriches or Cassowaries need wings? Why do Whales need hind-leg bones? etc Please do not reply with some BS like "God works in mysterious ways" or "We cannot understand why God did these things". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I don't regard being created in God's perfect image as a physical thing. But with that being said, I have no idea why. Not to say "we can't understand," but to say that I am no good with science or anatomy or anything of the sort and I don't have any sort of an answer to this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I don't regard being created in God's perfect image as a physical thing. Yeah, but nothing about us is perfect, according both to nature and your Bible, so, what the hell about us is in god's image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhia Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The big one for me - Why do men have nipples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The big one for me - Why do men have nipples? And milk glands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy-tiger Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If God created human beings just as they are and in his perfect image, then why do we have wisdom teeth, appendixes, tail-bones(and in some cases, tails), and internal structures built to support a quadruped(obviously from ancestors)? Why do we need our flimsy little toenails and fingernails? I would think they were leftover from a time when our ancestors actually used them because they were thicker and sharper. And why stop there? Why do Ostriches or Cassowaries need wings? Why do Whales need hind-leg bones? etc Please do not reply with some BS like "God works in mysterious ways" or "We cannot understand why God did these things". To save some random Christian from trying to "educate" us, the usual replies will be made by me... Wisdom Teeth - we did eat from the Tree of Knowledge, giving us wisdom, so it's all our fault rather than God's. (yes, that has been used several times) Appendixes - Used in the Immune System/vital organ... makes you wonder how people can ever do without it. Tail-bones - Anchor for some muscles that are vital to stop you shitting yourself all the time. Tails are evidence of sin/demons/a trial from God. Internal structures - We were perfect before Applegate, and God used a common design. (Applegate... I wonder if that will take off?) Toe/fingernails - Never heard a response to those... but I'm sure we will soon. Flightless birds and wings - Obviously for balance as they run. Whales hind legs - used for mating. Hmm... seems even the normal non-BS answers have a high content of BS anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 appendixes, ...Why do we need our flimsy little toenails and fingernails? I don't know about the rest but appendixes are showing to actually have a purpose in the body. They produce a bacteria or something. We can get by without them. And I find scratching to be easier with nails. I don't really think this shows much of argument for some grand design though. We don't need the appendix and there are alternatives to nails (I would say if they were didn't break so easy and only grew so long that would be a much better argument in their favor since they can quickly become a hassle). mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I don't regard being created in God's perfect image as a physical thing. Yeah, but nothing about us is perfect, according both to nature and your Bible, so, what the hell about us is in god's image? The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldApostate Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. That doesn't make sense to me, mulls. Isn't sin volitional? Isn't that volition the thing that Christians mostly squawk about when it comes to sin? Wasn't it volition that led to the fall in the first place? Are you one of those that believes that Adam and Eve were perfect and, if so, how do you explain their choice to disobey their god, especially if choice is a godly attribute? Isn't it reason that causes us to be condemned because Christianity makes no sense to us? One of the concepts that I find illogical in Christianity is the idea that a perfect, omnipotent and benevolent creator could create imperfect beings, and then punish them for their imperfections... the ones he created them with. In fact, that's one of the first things that led me to examine my own faith more closely. Although it didn't lead directly to the idea that Christianity was false, it led me to the belief that the Christian god could not be a loving creator, as so many claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrow Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 I don't regard being created in God's perfect image as a physical thing. But with that being said, I have no idea why. Not to say "we can't understand," but to say that I am no good with science or anatomy or anything of the sort and I don't have any sort of an answer to this question. Then don't answer if your not good with science - explain these things! That the question!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhia Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Mulls, Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about. No one wants to deal with you talking out of your ass. I DO NOT share attributes unwittingly with your invisible sky-god who makes you "feel good inside". Oh, and if I remember right - you mentioned in your re-introduction post that you were not here to evangelize, even though it was important to your life. If you're not evangelizing, then what the hell is this? The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. Sounds like evangelism to me - now granted, it IS allowed in this section of the site, but SERIOUSLY, give the rest of us the benefit of the doubt that maybe we've already heard all of your lame-ass excuses before, and don't need to hear them again for the upteenth million time! I cannot emphasize enough, Young Grasshopper: "pull head from ass, THEN post"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 The big one for me - Why do men have nipples? It was given as an act of fairness. Otherwise, only women could get tittie twisters.... Ain't gawd fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jeff Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 They were needed but then they were not needed (NOT because of Evilution!!!!), so God just left them there. Praise God! Glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy-tiger Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. This seems rather strange... we're not physically made in God's image, but spiritually. Normally I'd agree... let's face it, the chance of some being who's completely outside nature looking human is a little remote. The problem with it is that you're now saying that spiritually, we are as God... and since God is incapable of sin on a spiritual level, we should have been incapable of sin on the same level. Remember, the inability to sin is one of Gods attributes... and if you're trying to claim that God was unable to share just such an attribute with humans, then we're NOT like God in our being at all, and you've just come out with meaningless garbage that attempts to avoid answering the question. Your mistake is in using the word "communicable" since it just means "able to be transmited" If God was unable to transmit the inability to sin, then he's only got himself to blame when we do sin. He fucked up when making us, his limitation caused us to be imperfect, and that imperfection is what he's going to punish us for. Seriously, it's like making a cup that has a hole in the bottom, then getting angry with it because it leaks... do you really think God will be happy that you're making him sound like a tantruming two-year old?? The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. Psst... none of it was corrupted by sin, not according to the Bible. Death, decay and everything that sucks about life is thanks to God getting pissed that the imperfect creations he made turned out to be imperfect and cursing the whole fucking universe. God corrupted it, not sin... get your fucking facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhampir Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I don't regard being created in God's perfect image as a physical thing. Yeah, but nothing about us is perfect, according both to nature and your Bible, so, what the hell about us is in god's image? The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. Okay, what reason can you give for believing that sin caused our physical imperfections? And by what mechanism did the sin of one man (because Eve's sin apparently didn't count till she brought Adam along with her) did many animals suddenly gain attributes that can't be explained by necessity, and all to become locked in a never-ending life and death struggle for survival, both with each other in competition for resources, and with other animals that must try to eat them. Furthermore, if sin bought all these changes, what was the order of things before death came to the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. I don't understand. Human "sin" caused death and decay? So was there never to be death and decay in the world? The natural laws we see now were to be suspended for all eternity? Did this extend to plants and animals? Oh. I've had this crazy discussion before. It applies not just to us, plants and animals but the universe as a whole. That apple sent out some sort of "sin wave" (not the math kind either...but maybe they're similar?) that caused all decay everywhere. Stars and galaxies literally decay and die because of Adam and Eve. Everything that is "bad" near or far is a result of that one single act. Those first two humans broke everything there ever was, or is, to break. Sin is some "crazy" powerful shit. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy-tiger Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. I don't understand. Human "sin" caused death and decay? So was there never to be death and decay in the world? The natural laws we see now were to be suspended for all eternity? Did this extend to plants and animals? Oh. I've had this crazy discussion before. It applies not just to us, plants and animals but the universe as a whole. That apple sent out some sort of "sin wave" (not the math kind either...but maybe they're similar?) that caused all decay everywhere. Stars and galaxies literally decay and die because of Adam and Eve. Everything that is "bad" near or far is a result of that one single act. Those first two humans broke everything there ever was, or is, to break. Sin is some "crazy" powerful shit. mwc Sounds more like God botched the Creation and when things happened the way they did, it broke... I'm guessing it was a Friday Afternoon Irreparable Lemon job... aka FAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Can someone point me at the whales hind legs and mating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 The God's image part, I believe, refers to us being like God in our being. We are rational, volitional, emotional creatures. We share his communicable attributes. How emotional is God? Does he have anger problems? Does he have feelings of frustration, irritation, intolerance or fear? If your answer is no, then he and us are not alike. The physical part...our human bodies and the rest of the physical creation...was corrupted by sin. Hence decay and death and everything that sucks about life. So it's through sin and decay guys have nippled and milk glands? ... I'm not sure I want to go there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenneyVTX Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nipples are easy: all mammals have them. Also, all mammals have mammary (hint for the xtians: the words are related) glands; in the case of females they tend to be enlarged. That's simple biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nipples are easy: all mammals have them. Also, all mammals have mammary (hint for the xtians: the words are related) glands; in the case of females they tend to be enlarged. That's simple biology. But that's not Biblical. I doubt that is the Christian answer since it would assume that humans are mammals and hence related to other mammals, in other words Evolution and not Creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenneyVTX Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Nipples are easy: all mammals have them. Also, all mammals have mammary (hint for the xtians: the words are related) glands; in the case of females they tend to be enlarged. That's simple biology. But that's not Biblical. I doubt that is the Christian answer since it would assume that humans are mammals and hence related to other mammals, in other words Evolution and not Creation. True, I just can't even think in a creationist mode. There were previous questions about nipples and decided to interject. ....you and me baby ain't nothin' but mammals so lets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 True, I just can't even think in a creationist mode. There were previous questions about nipples and decided to interject. Sure. I think most of us here know or can somewhat understand the Biological explanation, but the topic was more about how Christians explain it. This is the "best" Christian explanation I've received so far: God gave man nipples and milkglands out of design efficiency. Basically it was more efficient to make the DNA in such a way that there were genetic similarities between male and female to save energy and material. To me, that sounds like God is Evolution... Even Nature mostly takes the path of least resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenneyVTX Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 True, I just can't even think in a creationist mode. There were previous questions about nipples and decided to interject. Sure. I think most of us here know or can somewhat understand the Biological explanation, but the topic was more about how Christians explain it. This is the "best" Christian explanation I've received so far: God gave man nipples and milkglands out of design efficiency. Basically it was more efficient to make the DNA in such a way that there were genetic similarities between male and female to save energy and material. To me, that sounds like God is Evolution... Even Nature mostly takes the path of least resistance. Perhaps I'm just being snarky, but it sounds like that is the root of human laziness. The first two for one deal. Even that explaination, though, makes indirect acknowledgement of evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraphicsGuy Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 There is no Xian answer beyond stone-walling the argument. Every answer they have will eventually break down to "have faith." Every answer they would come up with would simply lead to a new question, thus leading to less concrete answers, thus leading to more questions, thus leading to "Goddidit, have faith." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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