Llwellyn Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I can't say I'm surprised by the results of the Iowa Caucuses, but I can't believe this guy who has been totally overwhelmed by the Christian memeplex may one day be our chief executive. I would vote for a Muslim before him. Does anyone see a crisis if this man succeeds? It might be interesting to see the whole rational world face off against fundamentalism if he gets the Republican nomination, but it would be a disaster if he were actually elected. Do you think this country has the sense to keep him far, far away from the White House? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 There is a part of me that fears, but there's also a part of me that hopes he does get the nomination. Due to his extreme stances, I figure there's not a moderate or independent in the nation who would vote for him, which would pretty well guarantee a Dem in the White House (for all the good that's likely to do, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 He scares me, for the simple reason that I think the others are lip-syncing party rhetoric, but ths guy really belives the sky spook talks to him. Hey Jeff, you been conversin' with Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhia Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 I agree with Kelli's signature - if Huckabee gets in, I'm leaving. I will flee to the first decent country that will let me stay and work. I have seen (and been powerless) for 8 fucking years, what the hell republicans, especially the crazy fundy nut-jobs, can do to this place. I refuse to to be part of it any longer if he gets in. Then again, I speculate that he IS crazy enough to start atheist-hunting if things turn really desperate; and I don't want to be part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathGeek Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I agree with Kelli's signature - if Huckabee gets in, I'm leaving. I will flee to the first decent country that will let me stay and work. I have seen (and been powerless) for 8 fucking years, what the hell republicans, especially the crazy fundy nut-jobs, can do to this place. I refuse to to be part of it any longer if he gets in. Then again, I speculate that he IS crazy enough to start atheist-hunting if things turn really desperate; and I don't want to be part of it. I hear Iceland is quite nice for the heathens of the world. It's a practical paradise according to the FFRF radio platform, Freethought Radio. Supposedly, there are less than 1,000 fundies in Iceland out of 300,000 to 500,000 people. I hear the Scandinavian countries are all paradise for freethinkers and heathens alike. As for me, I really wasn't surprised by Huckleberry's win. The guy is a populist bible thumper and that energizes around 30% of the voting populace, which is largest voting block that ever turns out. Despite that shit, I would still stay in this country because I everything I love lives here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 If Huckabee gets in, I'd move to Canada. I'm close enough geographically that it would be feasible, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outback Jack Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Okay, I'm new here so ignore my comments as needed (Yeah, I'm drinking and typing ) I WILL vote against Hill/Bill. I might vote against Obama. The republicans are completely worthless this time around, but I'll vote for anything that will slow the tide of socialism. (Until the atheist hunt starts. Then I'm outta here!) Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RankStranger Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I used to hate Bill/Hillary with a passion back when I was a young and naiive Republican. My opinion on them hasn't changed at all... it's just that I no longer think the vast majority of Republicans are any better. I've been planning to either vote for Ron Paul, whatever crackpot the Libertarians run, or simply not vote... depending on how the mood strikes me. But I'd be willing to vote for just about anybody over Huckleberry... even Hillary. I no longer care to vote against socialism. The Republicans don't represent capitalism- they represent corporate welfare, buddy/buddy deals, and fascism-lite. Socialism doesn't seem like that bad of an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chuck Darwin Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 A man who publicly states he believes in creationism and believes the world is less than 10,000 years old with the nuke launch codes?????? This has to be a joke. This man could not get elected in any other western nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emme Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 This guy IS scary. I've read his campaign site and even without all the god-talk, his policies scare me. I'm not even from your country, but even I am a little worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megara Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Have you heard Huckabee's ideas about AIDS?! Like the many that have posted before me, I am out of the U.S. if he is voted President. Whenever I mention his name, everyone in the room shudders. I don't think I've met a single person that plans to vote for Huckabee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llwellyn Posted January 8, 2008 Author Share Posted January 8, 2008 Huckabee has stated, "Politics are totally directed by worldview. That's why when people say, 'We ought to separate politics from religion,' I say to separate the two is absolutely impossible". Whenever someone speaks favorably of the "Christian worldview," you know they have totally succumbed to the Christian mindfuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellsybop Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 We're not voting for Huckabee simply because of his religious stance. I fear the worst if he made it. Democrat for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedah Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I would even consider voting for 4 more years of bushit ( assuming it was possible ) then this. How the fuck did he win the caucus ? I was hoping that America was finally starting to see that the religious right is quackery...but I guess not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Pulling out the crystal ballClassically Liberal by CLS "George Bush has energized the Democrats because he has been such a piss-poor president: not just inept and incompetent but wholly destructive. Worse yet these traits helped push independent voters, who have been securing Republican victories in recent years, over the Democrats. The Democrats didn't attract these voters, the Republicans merely disgusted them. So all that the G.O.P knows it can count on is the coalition. But a Huckabee nomination will chase out many of the small government types. And that leaves the Republicans counting on just the neo-cons and the theo-cons -- a coalition that first wants to save your soul and then declare war on you." (01/08/08) http://tinyurl.com/38gdn4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgnosticBob AtheistPants Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I've been planning to either vote for Ron Paul, whatever crackpot the Libertarians run, or simply not vote... depending on how the mood strikes me. This is the biggest problem we're going to face, and it's going to result in Huckabee in office. People think that none of the candidates are worth voting for, so they don't vote or throw their vote away on the Independent who has absolutely no chance of winning. Then the grassroots fundamentalist movement gets that psycho nutjob Huckabee into the White House. It will be hell in this country with him as the president. I think I'm going to have to vote for Obama even though I don't want to. I see him as the lesser of several evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Leave. Quit fighting for what is yours by blood, inheritance and gunsmoke. Christsfuckinghairyballs I'm tired of listening to the folks saying shit like the above posts. Your Franchise, your Nation, your lives, fortunes and sacred honor at stake here. Give it all up to move to some other Nation to be still another immigrant with few Rights and abilities. "BahhhhHHHhhhHH! I don't like it, I'm leaving!" it is your right, your abilities. Go. Why wait? Just get the fuck out of the way and quit worrying about how BAD it is here and move to a more Free Occidental Nation with all the amenities and infrastructure uS has. Oh.. There isn't such a place where you've got practical choices in deciding what constitutes "Government". Sometimes I wonder if being a middle aged warrior in herds of sheepish feeders is worth it. Nevermind, just go. It'll help solve targeting solutions by clearing the range. kFuckingL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megara Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Leave. Quit fighting for what is yours by blood, inheritance and gunsmoke. Christsfuckinghairyballs I'm tired of listening to the folks saying shit like the above posts. Your Franchise, your Nation, your lives, fortunes and sacred honor at stake here. Give it all up to move to some other Nation to be still another immigrant with few Rights and abilities. "BahhhhHHHhhhHH! I don't like it, I'm leaving!" it is your right, your abilities. Go. Why wait? Just get the fuck out of the way and quit worrying about how BAD it is here and move to a more Free Occidental Nation with all the amenities and infrastructure uS has. Oh.. There isn't such a place where you've got practical choices in deciding what constitutes "Government". Sometimes I wonder if being a middle aged warrior in herds of sheepish feeders is worth it. Nevermind, just go. It'll help solve targeting solutions by clearing the range. kFuckingL Why wait? These people aren't waiting, they're fighting. They're fighting against incompetent candidates while they still are able to. I suppose this is quite a sweeping statement, but they aren't just sitting there idly and saying, "Oh well. Time to pack the ol' suitcases." The problem is if Huckabee wins, not only does that mean that Americans have a terrible president, but also that the American citizens and society agree with his discriminatory ideals (or perhaps they just voted for him because they liked the movie I <3 Huckabees -- which is just as well. ). Even so, I think most of us (I was for the most part, at least) were just joking around when we said, "I'll leave." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrow Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Huckabee as president? Nearly the excuse to disown the USA. Spatz P.S. I HOPE the USA woulld not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Even so, I think most of us (I was for the most part, at least) were just joking around when we said, "I'll leave." I'm not, but then it's pretty well common knowledge I want to live abroad anyway, and the political process really only has little bits to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megara Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 Even so, I think most of us (I was for the most part, at least) were just joking around when we said, "I'll leave." I'm not, but then it's pretty well common knowledge I want to live abroad anyway, and the political process really only has little bits to do with that. I've been seriously considering moving to Europe for several years now -- and the reasons are because I want to experience more cultures, learn more languages, and study European history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsmoke Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 My thoughts exactly. And if doing so also allows me to play at being the snooty ex-pat, so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piprus Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Leave. Quit fighting for what is yours by blood, inheritance and gunsmoke. *Snipped for brevity* Absolutely agree. Just because times get tough, you don't abandon your culture and your country. You fight to make it better. If I had had your abandonment attitude in 1972, I would have scuttled off to Canada to avoid the draft. I did not. Instead, I enlisted voluntarily, and had a good and honorable experience serving my country. So for those who babble "If Huckabee gets elected I'll leave", I can only say "Fuck you then, you shallow and disloyal piece of crap." More honorable to stay here, fight for what is right, fight for the principles on which this country was founded, despite the flaws of it, fight to support the excellent concepts of the Bill of Rights, fight to keep the ideals of freedom of the individual person alive in this nation. The price of individual freedom may even be bloodshed, to paraphrase. But at least to this ol' sailor, it's worth it. Don't think that creeping off to Canada, or Europe, or Mexico will guarantee you anything...Wherever you go, there will always be those who want to take away your freedom and substitute some vague and unattainable ideal masquerading as a "heaven on earth". It does not exist. It is you, the individual who has to define and strive for your own "best possible world." You don't get it by running away. You get it by working with what you have. So...use your franchise, and vote! Democrat, Republican, who-the-fuck-cares? Just use the best tools you have. Even in hard times, they are still your times, and you have to live through them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 So if we would get jailed for being an atheist, and possibly tortured, or killed, we should stay in a country that would do that? I think not! If Huckabee wins, the situation will probably deteriorate to the point of that happening. And I don't care to die before 1. I've found true love, 2. before I've had children, and 3. before I've figured out what I want to do with the rest of my life. I don't think wanting to survive makes me a coward, and I really take offense at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Neamiah Scudder aint'a winning. We've been warned. "Revolt in 2100" by Robert A. Heinlein. >self edited kL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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