hereticzero Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Did Mary reproduce asexually? According to the Christian Bible, god made one male and one female of all species in order to propagate the earth. Evolution has been found to show the story of procreation to be a fable. Recently, it has been discovered that Comodo Dragons can reproduce asexually with no male to fertilize their eggs--a virgin birth. How can this be possible if a god ordained his creation to procreate with opposite sexes in order to continue the species? Then, the only way Mary could have gotten pregnant without the help of a male counterpart would be asexual reproduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanda Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Recently, it has been discovered that Comodo Dragons can reproduce asexually with no male to fertilize their eggs--a virgin birth. Interesting analogy Heretic Zero. Are you sure about Comodo Dragons reproducing asexually? My understanding of this would be, they'd only be the "female gender" then. In humans, it is the male's contributed chromosome that determines the gender. Interesting... (I've only heard of asexual reproduction by an asexual organism.) Then, the only way Mary could have gotten pregnant without the help of a male counterpart would be asexual reproduction. Which also suggests, if it was an asexual birth, the child would have to be a female then, right? So that wouldn't even work with Mary, even using mental gymnastics. However, it was quite popular then, to be considered a son of a "God". Ceasar claimed to be the son of Apollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deva Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 However, it was quite popular then, to be considered a son of a "God". Ceasar claimed to be the son of Apollo. Exactly. IMO the "virgin birth" was just a legendary tale added by the gospel writers to increase Jesus' stature. All avatars and "sons of God" had to have special births. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 According to the RCC doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, if Mary did reproduce asexually, then she was just genetically predisposed to it via her mother St. Anne... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted January 23, 2008 Author Share Posted January 23, 2008 Recently, it has been discovered that Comodo Dragons can reproduce asexually with no male to fertilize their eggs--a virgin birth. Interesting analogy Heretic Zero. Are you sure about Comodo Dragons reproducing asexually? My understanding of this would be, they'd only be the "female gender" then. In humans, it is the male's contributed chromosome that determines the gender. Interesting... (I've only heard of asexual reproduction by an asexual organism.) Then, the only way Mary could have gotten pregnant without the help of a male counterpart would be asexual reproduction. Which also suggests, if it was an asexual birth, the child would have to be a female then, right? So that wouldn't even work with Mary, even using mental gymnastics. However, it was quite popular then, to be considered a son of a "God". Ceasar claimed to be the son of Apollo. I dunno. I thought asexual reproduction was reproduction without a partner or is that just masterbation? I can't remember, hell i've had too many naps since high school biology class, give me a break, i'm old dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twincats Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I think one of the best things I ever read on a blog post thread was on this very subject in Pharyngula. The gist was that because baby gee was the result of a virgin birth, the H. in expression "Jesus H. Christ" must therefore stand for Haploid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanda Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 I dunno. I thought asexual reproduction was reproduction without a partner or is that just masterbation? I can't remember, hell i've had too many naps since high school biology class, give me a break, i'm old dammit! Heretic Zero.... just asking! Heck... I'm kinda old myself, however the older I get, the farther off I make the "old" designation. I did some research... and you are right, in there is lots of info on asexual reproduction of the Komodo Dragon. Here are some interesting bits of information about your topic also... Parthenogenesis (from the Greek παÏθÎνος parthenos, "virgin", + γÎνεσις genesis, "creation") is an asexual form of reproduction found in females where growth and development of an embryo or seed occurs without fertilization by males. The offspring produced by parthenogenesis are always female in species where the XY chromosome system determines gender. The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species which can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both genders. There also are numerous traditions of parthenogenesis in human cultures around the world, including the story of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ in Christianity and Islam, dating to the earliest of written records. (Any case of ordinary parthenogenesis produces only female offspring, so the birth of a male by parthenogenesis would be impossible.) I suppose it would be scientifically possible for Jesus to have come from a "virgin" birth in the context it is Biblically used, that she "knew" no man, if Mary were a hermaphrodite. I find that highly unlikely, and am inclined to agree with Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Recently, it has been discovered that Comodo Dragons can reproduce asexually with no male to fertilize their eggs--a virgin birth. Interesting analogy Heretic Zero. Are you sure about Comodo Dragons reproducing asexually? My understanding of this would be, they'd only be the "female gender" then. In humans, it is the male's contributed chromosome that determines the gender. Interesting... (I've only heard of asexual reproduction by an asexual organism.) Then, the only way Mary could have gotten pregnant without the help of a male counterpart would be asexual reproduction. Which also suggests, if it was an asexual birth, the child would have to be a female then, right? So that wouldn't even work with Mary, even using mental gymnastics. However, it was quite popular then, to be considered a son of a "God". Ceasar claimed to be the son of Apollo. This story found here, http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080207/D8ULPGV00.html indicates males can be hatched as well as females. ============================ WICHITA, Kan. (AP) - Two Komodo dragons have hatched at the Sedgwick County Zoo, apparently without the fertilization of a male. The dragons, both males, are believed to be the first in North America known to have hatched by parthenogenesis, which occurs naturally in some species, including invertebrates and lower plants. It happens more rarely in some vertebrates. Two other known cases in which Komodo dragons hatched by parthenogenesis were at the London and Chester zoos in England in 2006. ============================ This shows to me that male and female sexuality is only necessary to propagate certain types of species, meaning heterosexuality may not be as necessary for the continuation of the species. Maybe Mary was part Komodo? Maybe, just maybe, Mary was a hermaphrodite and she fertilized herself by standing on a chair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redadare Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 The X Chromosome has to be introduced for a male child to be born. Since Mary was a virgin, that makes the baby singularly unique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Erm, that would be a Y... and Barber fish reproduce asexually all the time, and change sex if the one male in the shoaldies or gets eaten However, it's a lot more likely that the virgin birth did not happen. You muppet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 However, it's a lot more likely that the virgin birth did not happen. You muppet I dunno, christianity offers compelling evidence from their own babble. They also have lots and lots of artwork showing Mary with George Bush, er uhn, baby Jeezus--so if they have artwork, it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 They have the Dore Engravings to prove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japedo Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Since Mary was a virgin, that makes the baby singularly unique. More likely story is, she screwed around with Joe before the wedding. No honest.. I was a virgin I dunno how this baby got there.. Ya see I had this dream.... and People are so gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Then, the only way Mary could have gotten pregnant without the help of a male counterpart would be asexual reproduction. Well, maybe Joseph was "soaking it"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 It's not like 'virgin birth' is overly original... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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