♦ nivek ♦ Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Why is MJ illegal? Good historical read. kFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Why is MJ illegal? Good historical read. kFL I've read some of this before adn yadda yadda yadda, I think it being illegal is crap, but when I read this title all I could think was S-N-C - Why is marijuana illegal? Me - To purposefully annoy you? giggles and runs away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It's not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it's been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy. Yeah, this pisses me off to no end. It is so much better for your liver then drinking is, and if you vaporize or cook with it, you don't harm your lungs either. Makes violent people calm, helps you sleep at night, and no hang overs either. Don't get me started on this... I could go on and on. They also say it effects short term memory. It is much better for your liver then drinking is. (seems I read that recently), it's also not as harmful on your lungs if you vaporize. Did I mention they claim it effects short term memory? LOL what a crock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 February 1938, Popular Mechanics published an article 'America's New Billion Dollar Crop'. It spoke of the benefits of hemp and how much this crop was going to save the American farmer. Several months later, the US govt. arrested Sam Caldwell for selling a couple of joints and sentenced him to hard labor in prison. When popular opinion changed from arresting people because of race, the govt. made their activities unlawful and arrested them for breaking the law. Hate crimes are masquerading as drug laws. America's obsession with drugs comes from its intolerance to people of different races and the American fascist way of passing laws to protect religious beliefs instead of the rights of the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 I have a suspicion tough I cannot prove it, but I have a hunch that the government wanted people to be alert so that when the USA went to war, they would not be apt to not join or so laid back they could not be easily scared into just following orders. For what it is worth. Interesting, weed was the drug of choice during nam. Personally I would hate to be "stoned" in a combat zone, the paranoia would be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophronia Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Marijuana is illegal because there is a HUGE industry built around the "treatment" of starving young anorexic/bulemic girls. All those girls should be made to smoke pot. Then they would be able to enjoy food. But then these "treatment centers" and psychiatrists would lose business, because the girls would have the munchies and wouldn't need the "recovery" services. That's my hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Marijuana is highly effective for treatment of hunger/nausea issues associated with cancer treatment, diabetic neuropathy, and pancreatitis. It's also considered by the federal gvmt in the same class as heroine. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Over here in the free world we dropped the 'personal use' criminality... but then, it was getting embarrassing that most Pot dealers were selling micro amounts and to other MS sufferers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♦ nivek ♦ Posted February 2, 2008 Author Share Posted February 2, 2008 Tall trees and acreage suited for hemp production found in New World "back then". During WW2 there were tens of thousands of acres of hemp sown and grown all across the Nation. After war, with the BS you'll read in posted article, the Armed Federal Gangsters came in a'burning and raping. One of my problems with the usual American Sheepish BiPed is that despite the good use of hemp, a Law was passed, and like good little nazis, err, ahhhm, sheep, followed said stupid un-Constitutional rule. 1914, 1934, 1937..... Dates which Freedom minded folks in uS are consistently reminded of when we talk "Freedom". At one time in history one could drive to drug store in his untaxed auto, buy heroin, morphine, MJ, the newest offering from Thompson, a brick of ammo, 100 round drum mag for gun, and pay cash... Not have to show ID, seek Federal permission, nor be over 18 or 21.. War on MJ effects EVERYONE in America, and in turn in any country that forbids or heavily regulates its use and consumption. Simply put folks, Either you are free, or you are not. The ameriKa I live in is less Free everyday. kFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuaiDan Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 All to support the most militant state in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Broke Free Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 I started smoking weed (almost daily just about 60 minutes before bed) about ten years ago. Here is a list of all the terrible things that happened to me since… 1) I met the love my life nine years ago and our relationship seems to grow stronger and more satisfying every year. (He smokes too.) 2) I went back to school to get my bachelors degree and succeeded with a 3.98 GPA. 3) I finally left my dead end jobs behind and now have a great career that I enjoy. 4) My salary has increased by 120% 5) I am happier and more productive that at any point in my life. Watching science programming (especially about quantum mechanics) is also much more interesting with a bit of buzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua Kitty Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I've been reading The End of Faith, by Sam Harris, and he had this to say about that: The influence of faith on our criminal laws comes at a remarkable price. Consider the case of drugs. As it happens, there are many substances - many of them naturally occurring - the consumption of which leads to transient states of inordinate pleasure. Occasionally, it is true, they lead to transient states of misery as well, but there is no doubt that pleasure is the norm, otherwise human beings would not have felt the continual desire to take such substances for millennia. Of course, pleasure is precisely the problem with these substances, since pleasure and piety have always had an uneasy relationship. When one looks at our drug laws - indeed, at our vice laws altogether - the only organizaing principle that appears to make sense of them is that anything which might radically eclipse prayer or procreative sexuality as a source of pleasure has been outlawed. In particular, any drug (LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, DMT, MDMA, marijuana, etc.) to which spiritual or religious significance has been ascribed by its users has been prohibited. Concerns about the health of our citizens, or about their productivity, are red herrings in this debate, as the legality of alcohol and cigarettes attests. As a drug, marijuana is nearly unique in having several medical applications and no known lethal dosage. While adverse reactions to drugs like aspirin and ibuprofen account for an estimated 7,600 deaths (and 76,000 hospitalizations) each year in the United States alone, marijuana kills no one. He says a lot more, of course, but seriously, I think if it were legalized the government could make a TON of money by regulating and taxing the sales. It seems ridiculous that the gov't refuses to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathGeek Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 He says a lot more, of course, but seriously, I think if it were legalized the government could make a TON of money by regulating and taxing the sales. It seems ridiculous that the gov't refuses to see this. Not really, though I have no evidence to edify my assertion. The federal government apparently makes a lot of the seizure of the illegal capital gained from the growing and selling of marijuana. I think the government gains MUCH more capital if they can nab you on a crime than through legal means. Once you get tagged for a federal crime, doesn't the government have the right to keep any wages, property and paraphenalia that may or may not be related to the selling of pot? Compare this with the revenue gained off of selling just marijuana legally, I don't think the numbers can come close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 The govt. could make a lot of money in taxing marijuana, except it makes more money kicking in doors and shooting innocent victims to death and seizing property. The money the govt. receives for fighting marijuana makes the govt. the biggest whore on the planet. They will never accept reality as long as marijuana remains illegal and Federal law prosecutes users. The legal system in the US is not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Policing and general Law enforcement is a const centre to governement, not a profit one... Same withthe justice system... you have to do some pretty creative accouting to make either appear to turn a profit, so where is the money coming from in TWOD? I don't see it... it allows them to extend their power over the individual, but I don't see it raising them any more cash than Tax... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 LE doesn't make the gov money, but things like the drug war go a long way toward "justification" of LE's budgets. Thats all that matters in the bureaucratic realm. The gov is not a business, but a large bureaucracy. I think there's more to the drug war than just an entrenched bureaucracy though. That's not the issue here in Russia, where I doubt much is bugeted toward drug enforcement. Yet, even here pot can get your ass thrown into a dungy jail where you are sure to enjoy a good case of pnuemonia on top of disintary on top of something worse than hazing. I suspect that the propaganda about drugs has just been highly effective to the point where governments make them illegal just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I thought I said that... apart from the bit about Russian Jails... which put my in mind of a line from the Simpsons...Mr burns: "Hmmm, I never saw a man take to a Turkish jail so quickly..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigile Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I missed that episode. I also missed your last line about tax. By in large I was agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Sorry, you are... my mental acuity is grinding somewhat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWIM Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I find it odd that there are *many* governments where weed is illegal. Places like amsterdam are the exception not the rule. There again, booze is worse, BUT on a worldwide scale it seems to be legal everywhere. Strange, similar things happened to cocaine and heroine. When we make a drug illegal, like when we made LSD illegal, the rest of the world seems to do it too. It seems like when it comes to drug laws, the whole world seems to play "monkey see, monkey do...". Why is that? Worldwide people cannot seem to agree on much, but when it comes to drugs, the whole world, with rare exceptions, seem to nod in agreement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Actually it's Finlandisation. When I was living in NL the American Drug Czar was over trying to 'help' the Dutch with their drug problem... which was a source of nonplussedness and amusement to the Netherlanders (Govt includied) since the only 'drug problem' they have on a pandemic level is drugged up foreigners... the Dutch have one of the lowest uptakes of drugs in the EU among their native population... something like 55-60% of Dutch kids have never tried pot since it's of no interest... recrational drug use is pretty low across the board... The most pandemic thing (among Dutch males) is Cuban cigars... America seems to have a pretty forceful, 'thou shalt follow our lead' approach... but the Dutch just seemed to smile and nod and wait for the mofo to piss off and leave them alone... I love the dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hereticzero Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 I have a suspicion tough I cannot prove it, but I have a hunch that the government wanted people to be alert so that when the USA went to war, they would not be apt to not join or so laid back they could not be easily scared into just following orders. For what it is worth. That is actually part of the propaganda against marijuana, it gained popularity in Korean War era and later in Vietnam era. Our govt. has had to change its way of hiring people, even CIA and FBI. It used to be, I think, impossible to join FBI and CIA if you ever smoked a joint. Now they have had to toss out those requirements cuz it looks like everyone has at least tried it once in their lives. Or so it appears. The govt. is really weird. In the future they may reestablish that policy and then what will happen? They will already have a shopping list of agents that have used it at least once in their lives. This is also why I think it is fool-hardy for a chronically or terminally ill patient to enroll in a state's medicinal marijuana program. I believe it should be legal. But our govt. someday can get any list of people they choose and go after them. With state registration of users, the cops have a shopping list of medicinal users they can prosecute at any time under Federal law. That is how screwed up Amerikan law is. Even where it is legal, it is illegal. This message was brought to you by the truth. Void where prohibited by law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Harley Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Sort of about the time 'In God We Trust' was added to money... there's a coincidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathGeek Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Sort of about the time 'In God We Trust' was added to money... there's a coincidence... We've had this puritanical streak running through us since the days of Wayne Wheeler and his ilk, and that was before our national motto changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua Kitty Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 He says a lot more, of course, but seriously, I think if it were legalized the government could make a TON of money by regulating and taxing the sales. It seems ridiculous that the gov't refuses to see this. Not really, though I have no evidence to edify my assertion. The federal government apparently makes a lot of the seizure of the illegal capital gained from the growing and selling of marijuana. I think the government gains MUCH more capital if they can nab you on a crime than through legal means. Once you get tagged for a federal crime, doesn't the government have the right to keep any wages, property and paraphenalia that may or may not be related to the selling of pot? Compare this with the revenue gained off of selling just marijuana legally, I don't think the numbers can come close. Good point. I hadn't thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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