Environmental Peanutting

[♦ nivek ♦]

If we can, address a specific post by number please.

 

"Post 3, I think that dude and anyone who agrees with him is a total flaming fucking moronic idiot and probably burns baby ducks!"

 

Well, ok, leave personal attacks out, discussion on articles, posted from all spectrum, will be done in this thread.

 

Thnx folks

 

kL

[♦ nivek ♦]

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Environmentalism Is Recycled Communism and Nazism

 

by George Reisman

 

 

Here's the essential common core of hatred and destruction in the doctrines of Communism, Nazism, and Environmentalism. Only the concretes differ, not the fundamental principle of hatred for human life and happiness.

 

Communism: The pursuit of individual self-interest causes monopolies, depressions, and exploitation of workers by capitalists. It must be replaced by self-sacrifice for the benefit of the working class and the Socialist State. Capitalists and landowners must be exterminated for the benefit of the proletariat.

 

Nazism: The pursuit of individual self-interest causes racial impurity, national decline, and exploitation of German workers by Jewish capitalists. It must be replaced by self-sacrifice for the good of the Aryan master race and the National Socialist State. Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs must be exterminated for the benefit of the German Nation.

 

Environmentalism: The pursuit of individual self-interest causes global warming, acid rain, and ozone depletion. It must be replaced by self-sacrifice for the good of other species – our "fellow biota" – and for the good of the planet, under the auspices of international treaties and a nascent Global Socialist State: the UN. Most of the human race must be exterminated for the benefit of exploited species and the planet. (This is what the environmentalist “extremists” already openly say. The “moderates” merely want to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 90 percent and thereby reduce the American standard of living to that of a third world country, with a third world country’s infant mortality and life expectancy.)

 

SAY NO TO RECYCLED COMMUNISM AND NAZISM. SAY NO TO ENVIRONMENTALISM.

 

February 19, 2008

 

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[Evan]

We need more people besides Skip N. Church, Burnedout, and Burned Out to start posting stuff!

[♦ nivek ♦]

Last year's reality: Global cooling

Classically Liberal

by CLS

 

"In September of last year I wrote that 2007, by all indications, was

going to be a very cold year, much colder than one would expect with

all the global warming hype we were reading. In spite of some press

reports that Berlin was in the midst of heat wave I was living in

Berlin and it was a very cool summer by all indications. I said so in

this blog. I also spent a lot of time in England last year and I

reported that it was experiencing the 'same cool summer.' This blog

reported the coldest August day in New York City since 1911 and how a

summer bike ride in New Hampshire was cancelled due to cold weather. I

reported similar unusual cold spells in Australia, Peru, Canada and

California." (02/28/08)

 

http://tinyurl.com/yqkvbe

[Evan]

Thanks for keeping up with these articles Skip N. Church, I've been really busy lately so I haven't been able to get on as much.

[♦ nivek ♦]

Evan,

 

My pleasure. This is a 'long look' topic that will be with us for years as science and religion play their parts. Not paying attention to the things happening will help ensure that we stay uninformed, ignorant and paying for things we wouldn't should we had more information and education.

 

Articles and Op-Eds pro or con are valuable to me, as I tend to read, process, form my own opions on the best knowledge I can find.

 

Death by environmentalism

Liberty Unbound

by Gary Jason

 

Review of Eco-Freaks: Environmentalism Is Hazardous to Your Health by

John Berlau: "For the last half century, the environmentalist movement

has been a dominant influence on the cultural and political scene.

This is widely viewed as a blessing, whose progressive result has been

without exception the improvement of our society. John Berlau has

written a book aimed at kicking that smug sense of green achievement

smack in the teeth." (for publication 04/08)

 

http://tinyurl.com/yqy775

[♦ nivek ♦]

The global warming medicine show

River Cities' Reader

by Garry Reed

 

"Why do people like climatologists and politicians and airhead

Hollywood camera fodder insist that this particular warming cycle,

unlike all of the warming cycles throughout the history of the planet

up until now, is caused by human activity? Could it be that

politicians are doing what politicians have always done -- grubbing

for money, power, and ego-enlargement by claiming so? That

climatologists who rely on taxpayer-funded subsidies doled out by

those same grubby politicians are grubbing in the system for the

academic version of money, power, and ego-enlargement? That airhead

Hollywood peckerheads who emote for a living just don't know any

better?" (03/26/08)

 

http://tinyurl.com/22fo8c

[♦ nivek ♦]

Climate change and the choice of life

Ludwig von Mises Institute

by Clifford F. Thies

 

"The emerging discipline of climatology is an interesting one. It has

no laboratory. Instead, various measurements are put into computer

models to see the extent to which they are consistent with the

hypothesis that human activity has contributed to the trend of global

warming. Unable to conduct experiments, all climatologists can do is

examine statistical correlations." (03/26/08)

 

http://www.mises.org/story/2912

[Valgeir]

I think the greatest fallacy is that we're going to irreparably harm the planet. This is a piece of material that started as a blob of dust hurtling through space, turned into a ball of molten dust hurtling through space, became a hot volcanic rock orb, cooled down into land masses and oceans, and has become a universe in its own right... hurtling through space.

 

We are stupid little fleas on the back of an unfathomable entity. Even if we are "damaging the planet" then it's probably more like an itch than a fatal wound (when was the last time fleas bled a dog to death?).

[MathGeek]

I agree with you, Valgeir. If a deity does exist, then we are just flies in a cosmic wheel.

 

Furthermore, I can't say for certain if a deity exists or not, but I can say for certain that the human propensity for deriving order can lead to beliefs and knowledge that are both affirming and detrimental.

 

I am believer in a theistic evolution because I believe that a consciousness exists outside of our purview that cannot be fully known or understood. Whether or not it is specifically the Christian god shall always be open to debate.

 

I have several reasons why I believe in a theistic evolution.

 

1) DNA underlies every organism. This has been proven through the genetic mapping of several species.

 

2) The tendency for animals to be moral in their own communities. Apes hate adultery and theft as do many humans.

 

3) The organisms in existence are able to have their reactions studied with physics, chemistry and mathematics.

 

This may be the ultimate cop out post, but these three simple reasons are why I believe that Christianity can only be tackled within the realms of theology and philosophy. Science has (for the most part) totally divorced itself from the realm of religion, and most scientists are capable of erecting that mental partition that Sam Harris so aptly put forth in "The End of Faith".

 

More or less, I think creation and evolution are complimentary and can be rectified with further scientific study.

[Valgeir]

We're all just part of The Big Electron anyway.

[MathGeek]

We're all just part of The Big Electron anyway.

 

That is a good point. Carlin fan too I take it?

[Outback Jack]

Burnedout, I beat you to that Aussie article by 2 days!

 

 

 

By Michael Barone

 

Environmental restrictionists like Al Gore have been selling a form of secular religion: We have sinned against Mother Earth, we must atone and suffer, there can be no argument, but we must have faith.

I guess this is why I'm not a professional writer. This is what I was trying to say to Marty a couple weeks ago and it only took me 3 huge posts. This guy said it much better. Thanks Skip.

[HuaiDan]

No balance. Fact is fact.

 

Fact is, GW is man-made, GW is real.

 

FACT.

 

Sorry if the nuance escapes the wing-nut wannabees. The only people who want to deny it are those that have $$$ at stake, or the wannabees thereof.

 

If you hate hippies, fine, If you hate cats, fine. If you hate environmentalists, fine. If you hate college professors or anyone with more than 3 teeth or fewer than 3 tattoos, fine. But you shouldn't be speaking about subjects you are woefully ignorant about, unless it is to inquire and discuss.

 

I mean, the biggest conspiracy of them all..you really think GW is a hoax? I'm incredulous.

 

 

 

People who deny MMGW share a lot in common with creationists who say that dinosaur fossils either don't exist, are much younger than what the evil elitist scientists say, or were planted there by Satan to deceive the unfaithful. The commonality here is blue-in-the-face denial of painstaking scientific research, and decrying the evidence as an evil elitist conspiracy. Sound familiar?

In my travels and experience, it is extremely difficult to find someone in denial of MMGW who was not previously brainwashed by the sky daddy cult. Hey, it all counts towards Armageddon, the sooner the better, right?

Yours is the religion of the oil companies. Al Gore is merely a proponent of action against climate change. Too bad he's a hypocrite, but that doesn't change fact into religion.

 

Fact is fact. You can't argue against it, no matter how many propaganda pieces by oil company shills and corporate misinformation you site. It's all reactionary protection of fortunes you and I will never see. Puzzles me why the common joes on this board would want to see more protection of oil companies. We elect politicians, we don't elect energy moguls.

 

 

OJ: Notice how you conveniently left out VENUS. No greenhouse effect on Venus eh?

[Snafutopia]

Fascinating topic. Is it dead already?

[Snafutopia]

Quoting from the Articles on Environment thread, post # 127, re Former AGW supporter changes his mind...

http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?s=&a...st&p=389009

 

Can somebody please explain this part? I'm having trouble deciphering. Thanks. "The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon."

[scitsofreaky]

I think the greatest fallacy is that we're going to irreparably harm the planet. This is a piece of material that started as a blob of dust hurtling through space, turned into a ball of molten dust hurtling through space, became a hot volcanic rock orb, cooled down into land masses and oceans, and has become a universe in its own right... hurtling through space.

 

We are stupid little fleas on the back of an unfathomable entity. Even if we are "damaging the planet" then it's probably more like an itch than a fatal wound (when was the last time fleas bled a dog to death?).

How many dogs have you seen with 6 billion fleas on it?

[REBOOT]

Until severe damage occurs on a regular consistent basis, there won't be a consensus to do something. That's how it works.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,216926,00.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

In Montreal, we had to wait until 2 overpasses crushed 6 cars before roadways and overpasses were investigated ...

 

When actuarial calculations start indicating that there is an advantage in protecting the environment (... and insurance companies go belly up) and that cost/benefit analysis clearly demonstrate that an investment in this area could improve the condition of our collective portfolio ... you can bet that at that specific time you'll all be getting an earful on how bad humans are with mother earth. Until then, you can keep digging up all the arthabasca tar sands and fart all the CO2 you want in the atmosphere.

 

My bet is that humans are adaptive and resilient beasts, and that we'll endure until hurricane alley stretches up all the way to the north pole.

[Brakeman]

Global warming is a bit of a misnomer. The earth is getting hotter due to greenhouse gases, but that actual temperature is inconsequential. We're not going to boil the oceans or some other nonsense. We're talking about fractions of a degree on a noisy trend. The issue of concern is climate CHANGE. Changing the established weather patterns is the concern. Observe water tables and sensitive flora.

[glebealyth]

Quoting from the Articles on Environment thread, post # 127, re Former AGW supporter changes his mind...

http://www.ex-christian.net/index.php?s=&a...st&p=389009

 

Can somebody please explain this part? I'm having trouble deciphering. Thanks. "The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon."

 

It simply means that the Church of AGW, led by high priest Gore, is lying through its teeth to ensure it reaps a bumper harvest from Carbon Credit Trading before it is found out. On the way, it will have impoverished, emasculated,disenfranchised and enslaved the poor and lowly, like you and me.

 

It also means that they will stop at nothing to prevent the truth of their cynical application of poor science on the back of a generally populace. Be very, very careful where you post anything that denies that their scam is holy writ, as it puts you at risk as an enemy of the coming order and may seriously affect your life expectancy. By comparison, we will probably deiscove that tobaccop was a pussycat in terms of the deaths caused by the Church of AGW.