Superdelegates

[HuaiDan]

WTF is a superdelegate?

 

 

Don't tell me. I already know the strict definition. So let me get this straight...The decision of who's to become that party's candidate rests upon the whim of a detached handful?

 

My god. This is why we're going to get stuck with Clinton. Have mercy on us all.

[The-Captain]

Well if registered Democrats have such a problem with it then they should take it upon themselves to fix the problem. That party can be run however they want, if the oligarchs at the top can get away with it they will. You have to wonder why they didnt revolt when this undemocratic system was implemented in the first place.

 

Another reason Im an Independent.

[HuaiDan]

Obama's got himself in a bit of a jam now, I think. He's campaigning on anti-business-as-usual politics, but here the ones who decide whether he continues his career aspirations...are business-as-usual politicians. Kind of like that scene in Brazil where our hero runs up against a large monolithic obstacle that symbolically screams "Denied!!!!"

[The-Captain]

On the other hand its possible that all this publicity around the super-delegates will work towards Obamas favor. As we know HillBill has been agressively courting the super-dels, and since it seems the public is largely going with Obama, those votes might be her only shot. However if she does get in on those votes imagine the uproar. It would be bad for the party and might be the end of the superdelegate system. Hell some Dems might be pissed enough to vote for another party in the general election. So to maintain balance the superdelegates may be pressured to keep it even, so as not to be the deciding factor.

 

Conjecture of course, but I think it might happen.

[HuaiDan]

On the other hand its possible that all this publicity around the super-delegates will work towards Obamas favor.

 

Which is why I'm doing my little bit here

[The-Captain]

On the other hand its possible that all this publicity around the super-delegates will work towards Obamas favor.

 

Which is why I'm doing my little bit here

 

Good idea, I hadnt thought about this is spreading the word. Between all the people bringing this up we may just chalk up a win.

 

Hope springs

[Japedo]

WTF is a superdelegate?

 

 

Don't tell me. I already know the strict definition. So let me get this straight...The decision of who's to become that party's candidate rests upon the whim of a detached handful?

 

My god. This is why we're going to get stuck with Clinton. Have mercy on us all.

 

 

Dan,

 

IMO I don't think the SD's are going to be so stupid as to go against the will of the people. What would be the point of them doing that? Most hold office and need to be reelected. The people will be so bullshit they will sit home in droves out of protest in the general. Republicans will be going out in droves to vote against Hillary, while half the dems sit out pissed off. Not only that but the houses will tilt to the right as well if that happens. On the republican side you have Lame ass war machine McLame, his party doesn't want him for the most part either... so it wont be so much for a vote for McLame but a vote against Hillary. If Obama gets the nom, Republicans will vote against McCain in Droves, it would be stupidity for the Dems to give up this golden opportunity to win a majority in all houses by rejecting the people's choice. Having said that the primary's aren't over, two weeks is near eternity in politics.

 

 

Also, in the new's today Obama apparently didn't get so much as one vote... count them exactly ZERO Votes in Harlem NY on election night. Another "Human error" so they say..

 

February 16, 2008 -- Barack Obama's primary-night results were strikingly underrecorded in several districts around the city - in some cases leaving him with zero votes when, in fact, he had pulled in hundreds, the Board of Elections said yesterday.

 

Unofficial primary results gave Obama no votes in nearly 80 districts, including Harlem's 94th and other historically black areas - but many of those initial tallies proved to be wildly off the mark, the board said.

 

In some districts getting a recount, the senator from Illinois is even closer to defeating Hillary Clinton.

 

Initial results in the 94th, for example, showed a 141-0 sweep for Hillary Clinton, but the recount changed the tally to 261-136.

 

As yet, none of the results have been certified, but a ballot-by-ballot canvassing of all voting machines has begun, a board spokesperson said. Many of the mistakes were chalked up to human error -- and some Clinton tallies were wrong as well. In several congressional districts she was shown as having received zero votes when in fact she got hundreds, Boe said.

 

NY Post

 

I do not trust the Clinton's... I trust them as much as I trust Bush which is NOT AT ALL. She wants this win so bad she will destroy her party and the country to be the anointed one. Notice they have an actual number of how many districts (Nearly 80) Obama got ZERO votes on Election night.. while only mentioning the non-number of "several' for hers.

 

 

These leaks are nothing more then cold reading. To see how people will react if it were to happen. We still have a lot of Elections left, Remember Edwards said he was in it til convention as well and dropped out less then two weeks later. I believe she's as evil as she is corrupt, but I don't think she's super woman. A lot of people give her and Bill more power then they have, it's the same with W.

[The-Captain]

Obama Clinton McCain ?!?!

 

Question is: can anyone of these candidates prevent a massive recession (as per Greenspan: "we're on the edge"). G.W. emptied the coffers, loaded the carriage with dynamite and kicked the horses in the wrong direction.

 

Anyone taking the reigns at this point of the game better be young and energetic. At 46, Obamas has got the energy but unfortunately, while trying to fix things, he'll be the 'fall guy' taking the blame for 8 years of incompetent suicidal mismanagement from the worst president ever.

 

Talking about G.W. is now taboo... an embarrassment shoved under the rug. Why ? because it interferes with the democratic process. You need the republicans in order to validate an election.

 

I personally can't wait to get an independant historical assessment of the G.W. Bush era. A fair accounting of the catastrophic damage done to the american economy as a whole and the valuation of its assets. Not to mention the long term effects of his tunnel vision preferential treatment of christians (the faith of America ), faith based initiatives for christians only

 

Has anybody started storing canned foods ?

 

Oh reboot I wish I didnt think you were right, its depressing

 

Yeah ever since 9/11 I've been dreaming of the time when history has had its say. Time will tell....Time will telll.

 

Oh and no worries on canned food, my family still has all our Y2K stores sitting around, enough AA batteries and spam to last a 1000 years.

[Vigile]

Also, in the new's today Obama apparently didn't get so much as one vote... count them exactly ZERO Votes in Harlem NY on election night. Another "Human error" so they say..

 

This is one reason why I'm so disgusted with the US system that don't feel like voting anymore. What's the point when it is obvious that voter fraud is rampant?

 

I also think it's highly suspcious when polls and exit polls indicate a strong opinion one way and the election results skew the other way. Polls are inexact, but not that inexact. Wasn't O way ahead in NH polls taken days before the voting?

 

And then the US has the nerve to cry foul on United Russia's victory. Board in the eye seems like an apt parable here.

[Vigile]

I do not trust the Clinton's... I trust them as much as I trust Bush which is NOT AT ALL. She wants this win so bad she will destroy her party and the country to be the anointed one. Notice they have an actual number of how many districts (Nearly 80) Obama got ZERO votes on Election night.. while only mentioning the non-number of "several' for hers.

 

And this isn't the only area where voters are getting the shaft. I understand that it's just a matter of time and details before the Michigan deligates are released. Obama wasn't even on the ticket in that state due to the agreement not to campaign there by all parties involved.

 

The argument goes that MI voters will be disinfranchized, but since they didn't have a true choice between the two leading candidates, they, and the voters in all other states combined will be even more disinfranchized if Hil gets the deligates she unfairly won since it will unfairly skew the results.

 

It's truly fucked up how an outside-the-establishment candidate must not only jump through ridiculous hoops to win, but must win by a landslide in order to slip past all the establishment failsafes.

 

The relationship between US citizens and her government is kind of like the relationship between Ireland and England that lasted for centuries. Sure Ireland, we'll give you seats at the parliament. Catch 22 though. We'll plant christian English settlers in your ranks as landed lords. Only landed christian Englishmen may represent you in parliament.

[Vigile]

Question is: can anyone of these candidates prevent a massive recession (as per Greenspan: "we're on the edge"). G.W. emptied the coffers, loaded the carriage with dynamite and kicked the horses in the wrong direction.

 

There's not really much a president can do to stave off recession. The problem is, a prez, like Bush, can cause one, but pulling the economy back in is much harder to do.

 

I was watching a group of British journalists analyzing the US election today and their perspective was quite interesting. They argued that while this is a race for change that real change really isn't possible. Whoever is elected, the US will still have the same global interests involving national security and energy demand. Whoever is elected, the US is now trillions of dollars in debt and the dollar is still crashing. Change, whatever that means, just isn't a valid scenario. Once the honeymoon period is over it's going to be business as usual and it is likely that citizens will feel frustrated and let down and the candidate will take the brunt of the blame for the mess Bush left behind.

 

OTH, world opinion of the US has gotten a huge boost in the fact that voters have given both a woman and a black man status as serious presidential contention. Opinion of US citizens had been extremely low after W was reelected. This goes a long way toward healing this FWIW.

[I Broke Free]

My god. This is why we're going to get stuck with Clinton. Have mercy on us all.

 

 

She does have one incredibly redeeming feature..

[Japedo]

I do not trust the Clinton's... I trust them as much as I trust Bush which is NOT AT ALL. She wants this win so bad she will destroy her party and the country to be the anointed one. Notice they have an actual number of how many districts (Nearly 80) Obama got ZERO votes on Election night.. while only mentioning the non-number of "several' for hers.

 

And this isn't the only area where voters are getting the shaft. I understand that it's just a matter of time and details before the Michigan deligates are released. Obama wasn't even on the ticket in that state due to the agreement not to campaign there by all parties involved.

 

The argument goes that MI voters will be disinfranchized, but since they didn't have a true choice between the two leading candidates, they, and the voters in all other states combined will be even more disinfranchized if Hil gets the deligates she unfairly won since it will unfairly skew the results.

 

 

 

Well... I think they are sending out feelers. A lot of people don't understand that both she and the two states already agreed to the stripping of delegates. Why would people go out and vote if it wasn't going to count? They wouldn't... there is only two way's to do it... Not count them or have a re-vote. I don't mind having a re-vote but under no circumstances should either Mich or Fla be counted unless there is a re-vote.

 

If she cared so much she would have encouraged the states not to jump ahead on their dates. If the states are rewarded for breaking the rules, what's that say to all the states the followed the rules? Next time they will give their finger to the rules as they don't matter diddly anyway. She's as bottom of the barrel as they come she and bill are literally neck in neck for bottom for lowest of low feeders with Bush.

[Vigile]

Yesterday I read a statement from the governor of MI that said something to the effect "it's a sure thing that our deligates will be reistated, it's just the details that have yet to be determined."

 

Did I misunderstand something?

[Vigile]

Here it is:

 

"I think the DNC is going to look at all the options, that you cannot disenfranchise the people who've already voted," said Gov. Jennifer Granholm. "The bottom line is Michigan's delegates will be seated."

 

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...638/1009/NEWS07

[Japedo]

Yesterday I read a statement from the governor of MI that said something to the effect "it's a sure thing that our deligates will be reistated, it's just the details that have yet to be determined."

 

Did I misunderstand something?

 

I had to search... and WTF?

 

 

LOL you beat me by 3 mins...

 

 

Source

[Piprus]

It's my understanding that these "superdelegates" are party bigshots, and most of them elected officials. So, in areas where BO won the popular vote, they wouldn't be doing themselves any favors by going against the vox populi and casting their votes for the "establishment" candidate, Hilary. But time will tell. It's still a pretty long way to the convention, so there's still a lot of bullshit yet to be spewed.

[Vigile]

Superdeligates are a dead issue at this point this round (the lack of democracy still needs addressing next round). Hil's done.

 

Don't believe me, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzCOQj2lpY

 

She's going to get smoked on March 4. This would just be painful to watch if it wasn't so funny.

[Japedo]

Superdeligates are a dead issue at this point this round (the lack of democracy still needs addressing next round). Hil's done.

 

Don't believe me, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzCOQj2lpY

 

She's going to get smoked on March 4. This would just be painful to watch if it wasn't so funny.

 

And she has the gull to cry "Plagiarism", which today she's denying. I wonder will Hill finely find her voice, she changes faster then the polls. Will the REAL Hill please stand up... This is the best the *NEW* Clinton advisers can come up with? I guess it goes to show who's leading who. With plant fainters n' all....

 

 

Honestly now, Could the crowd look any less enthusiastic? They were sitting there as if they were waiting for root canals...she tried to rally them but.. They were like WTF? How embarrassing WOW ... Please Hill.. step down if the best you got is to copy-cat Obama.. then you got Zilch! This is your "base"? In Texas /Ohio?.. You need to win by a 60% + Margin to win.. good luck with that the people looked like they didn't want to be there aside from a few scattered sign wavers. People aren't stupid, how about that NAFTA Hill? Why not talk to the people of Ohio about that.