Emme Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I really wanted to speak in tounges, especially since it was a big deal in my church. I prayed and prayed and really waited for the spirit to talk through me! It happened to everyone around me, so why not me? As I related my "problem" to one of my youth leader, he gave me this tip: "just start talking! At first I just made stuff up, and then it happened naturally!" That messed with my naive beleif that everybody was overcome with the spirit! However, i could not bring myself to pretend, I mean, it's supposed to just happen, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 So your youth pasture "naturally" made stuff up AFTER he synthetically made stuff up? WOW that really explains it all in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GlitterSno Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 It realy is amazing how easy it is to get people jumpin around, or convulsing on the floor when you tell them what they want to hear...but sometimes I think that they get a little crafty by preaching hellfire so that the congregation doesn't get suspicious...or worn out and tired - its all a show, its all a show. Talk about vanity and self-righteousness, there is nothing more vain than thinking the all-mighty powerful god has touched YOU in a special way that no one will ever know...ugh, makes me sick. There was one time... I am NOT kidding you...during a revival, a woman got on the floor, spread eagle and pretended to give birth. They said it was symbolic for god birthing a new church.... ummm, yeah. I walked out. I thought it was beyond crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 did the church come out slimy from the after birth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtJayson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I cannot tell you the stupid things that I did during revivals and the various other things...glittersno here can tell you that I almost kicked the Sr. Pastor AND the Associate Pastor at one church we went to in the NUTS! OH, that was fun! haha... I just started jumping, kicking, hollering and woo hoo, sure was the holy ghost lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GlitterSno Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 did the church come out slimy from the after birth? LMAO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One_World Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 There was one time... I am NOT kidding you...during a revival, a woman got on the floor, spread eagle and pretended to give birth. They said it was symbolic for god birthing a new church.... ummm, yeah. I walked out. I thought it was beyond crazy. Stories like these are prime examples of why it's always prudent to carry a video-recording device to all church services...film a couple acts like that and, baby, you got yourself a website. There's some niche for clips of religous zealots laying spread eagle on floors pretending to push a church out of their vagina. Voyeuristic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emme Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Giving birth, I can see it now oh the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtJayson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 You want weird stories about pentecostal teachings, Glittersno has them ALL! haha! We did so many stupid things in the name of jesus that it wasn't funny...we would use anointing oil on EVERYTHING as she puts it, like territorial pissing! It's true! Praying through cemetaries where the remains of train wreck passengers were buried because "satan" had put a curse on the area...oh, man, were we out there... but we were the most clean hearted people that I know doing it. It wasn't about money, it wasn't about fame...we believed it and we acted it! There are LOTS that do this because they know that they can convince their church to buy them a new Envoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 I think that I have discovered why some of those people who "speak in tongues" avoid doctors, or think they're evil...any person with a clinical psychological patholgy would be "302" [where the police and amblulance come to take you to the funny farm] for ranting and raving in this fashion. On the flip side, I'm sure that there are some fundamentalist psychiatrists that give their "tongue" speaking patients a "get out of state hospital free" card...doesn't seem fair that they'd allow one of their own to be psychotic, but someone else...forget it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emme Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 So your youth pasture "naturally" made stuff up AFTER he synthetically made stuff up? WOW that really explains it all in a nutshell. i know!! he was just stupid enough to admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.B. Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Not uncommon at all, really...in fact, a famous televangelist spoke to a former friend of mine when she went to be prayed over at one of her televised conferences. She leaned in to look as if she was praying and said to my former friend, "Just start babbling SOMETHING so I don't look bad...it's not like it's real anyway!" Again, the hallelujah thing over and over creates the start of the psychosis in my opinion... Aww, come on... give it up! Who was the famous televangelist? Tell me in a PM if you don't want to on here. Pleeeeeze? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Hey L.B. I sent you a P.M. did you get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtJayson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Aww, come on... give it up! Who was the famous televangelist? Tell me in a PM if you don't want to on here. Pleeeeeze? Well, I guess there is no harm in sharing lol...it was Joyce Meyer...also note her 900,000 salary ;-) Speak in tongues because it isn't real anyway gets you that??? Baby, where do I sign up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Amazing - doesn't christianity teach its adherants to be "evionim?" [Poor]. $900,000.00 is quite a bit of money. Just makes me angry, because they are all liars and decievers. Hipocracy destroys the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtJayson Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 and Stephen...don't forget the fact that she pays NO taxes at all on her home, or the five homes that are on the same complex for her children! Since they are "techinically" property of Joyce Meyer Ministries, she gets to use them as tax write offs! How exciting that is. Ever notice her hands? Never a day without a nice sized diamond on it...but then again, it's all in the name of the lord...he would want you to look your best. She spends less than 100,000 a year actually on helping people (whether it is by feeding the hungry, etc...) Funny, since the bible tells them to cast of their riches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par4dcourse Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 I did it as a teenager. My thoughts were, as best I remember, they are all doing it and I better too if I want to go to hebben. I just babbled loudly and the elders all "amened" and all was good. Either they didn't know I was faking or else everyone was and it was just accepted. Either way, it sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Very interesting thread. Lets me see the inner workings of a world I barely knew existed till I was on these forums. I come from a horse and buggy community similar to the Amish. Jayson, you would not have been allowed to speak in our church--you would have been carried out bodily if you didn't either leave on your own or sit down and worship in silence like the rest of the audience. They might have preached in English for you; otherwise the service would be in German. This isn't the first thread I've seen on here about speaking in tongues. I have a question. Paul says that if anyone insists on speaking in tongues (I get the feeling he only tolerates it because they insist), then they should do it only if someone is present who can interpret, and only two or three at the most should do it at one service. Also, these should take turns to do it. The stories I read on here sound like there is no order or taking of turns; the entire congregation just breaks out in pandemonium or chaotic noise. What biblical basis do they use to justify such a "babylon"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 The stories I read on here sound like there is no order or taking of turns; the entire congregation just breaks out in pandemonium or chaotic noise. What biblical basis do they use to justify such a "babylon"? Thats the point of it all, there is no point - no rhym or reason, no proper adherence even to their own non-sensical scriptures. Earlier, I had mentioned how some of the old mystery schools had various practices such as chanting a word [like the abracadabra example I gave in eariler posts] over and over again at varying intervals and such while trying to meditate on something other than what they were saying - mental multi-tasking, or disassociation was thought to highten ones awareness of the unseen, and when you get an entire group that is doing the same thing with a different word, things can get kinda wierd almost hypnotic...at least the mystery schools had a purpose a method, and a reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandermac Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just wondering if anyone has seen this. dueling tongues What a crock of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Just wondering if anyone has seen this.dueling tongues What a crock of shit. You know what this sounds like besides a bunch of crap? Ever play the SIMs computer game, where you control those little people in their house? Well, the next you get a chance, listen to the voice acting when one sim talks to another - its the same phony dialogue - but I can dig it when its controlled by 1's and 0's. A DEEBA DEEBA Thats all folks [that one guy looks kinda like porky the pig too.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. S. Martin Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 The stories I read on here sound like there is no order or taking of turns; the entire congregation just breaks out in pandemonium or chaotic noise. What biblical basis do they use to justify such a "babylon"? Thats the point of it all, there is no point - no rhym or reason, no proper adherence even to their own non-sensical scriptures. Earlier, I had mentioned how some of the old mystery schools had various practices such as chanting a word [like the abracadabra example I gave in eariler posts] over and over again at varying intervals and such while trying to meditate on something other than what they were saying - mental multi-tasking, or disassociation was thought to highten ones awareness of the unseen, and when you get an entire group that is doing the same thing with a different word, things can get kinda wierd almost hypnotic...at least the mystery schools had a purpose a method, and a reason... Thanks. Yes, I read the entire thread and saw that post. Maybe this is off-topic. I'm curious what "mystery schools" you are talking about. I learned about "Mystery Religions" in the ancient Greek and Roman cultures. We used Marvin Meyer's book for the course text. However, the word you say that was used in these schools sounds more European than Latin or Greek, so you must be talking about a more recent tradition. Care to elaborate on it? Or should I start a new thread??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwc Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Very interesting thread. Lets me see the inner workings of a world I barely knew existed till I was on these forums. Isn't it interesting though? I remember the time my mom took my brother, sister and myself to a Holy Roller church when I was (very) young. We weren't involved in any of this at all but it was the only church in the area we were at, and being Sunday morning, that's where we went. Needless to say we were all totally unprepared for what was about to happen. The service revved up and people broke out in what I can only describe as epileptic fits. The name Holy Rollers truly suits them and they lived up their name. It was actually very frightening for us, the uninitiated (it's funny now of course). We left at what appeared to be the first "safe" opportunity (once the people seemed to have calmed back down). This isn't the first thread I've seen on here about speaking in tongues. I have a question. Paul says that if anyone insists on speaking in tongues (I get the feeling he only tolerates it because they insist), then they should do it only if someone is present who can interpret, and only two or three at the most should do it at one service. Also, these should take turns to do it. The stories I read on here sound like there is no order or taking of turns; the entire congregation just breaks out in pandemonium or chaotic noise. What biblical basis do they use to justify such a "babylon"? I get the opposite from Paul. I think he fully endorses tongues. I just think that he disapproves of how many people in his churches wish to do it opposed to the other "gifts." But why be a teacher or some other thing when you can be the one the god speaks through? It's hard to blame them. The Holy Roller church had no turn taking. It was a free-for-all. It was chaos. It was scary (remember I was only a small child used to a reserved Mo. Syn. Lutheran way of things). These people would be seen as just plain crazy and the police called to "escort" them to a "happier" place had they tried this at my home church (my later Baptist school would have seen them as demon possessed). If you ever get bored and want to amuse yourself some Sunday morning try finding a very charismatic church and sitting in on a service (in the far back ). It is an eye-opening experience. mwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Richard_Webb Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 Sure, in some Qabalistic traditions the word is used, and it has its roots in hebrew/aramaic, kind of a combination of words - the provided entry gives a little insight into some medatative points: ××‘×¨× ×›×“×‘×¨× - avra k'davra - "I will create as I speak" עברה ×›×“×‘×¨× - avra k'davra - "It will pass as I speak" ×ברכה ×דברה avarcha adabra - "I will bless, I will speak" הברכה ודברה - habracha v'davra - "the blessing (perhaps a euphemism for a curse) and dever -disease" Some people however think that the word takes its roots from abraxis stones on which various incantations and charged runes where inscribed [which would imply norse or other various european occult circles] Personally I think it is an amalgamation of avra' k'davra -"I will create as I speak" and "It will pass as I speak" along with the ritual of "charging" or scrying the abraxis stones. Evidently, Joeseph Smith used a scrying stone to locate those mythical golden plates, and also carried around a magically "charged" Jupiters table astrological stone... I think that the rhythmic patterns and overloading of the senses in group settings was merely a tool. Our brains can only take so much rhythmic stimulation, couple this with trying to maintain your own internal rythm and you begin to see patterns [or rather hear them - you see them in your minds eye] European mystery schools and the qabalistic schools [or variations thereof] where quite common during the time of Christian Rosencrutz...founding father of the Rosicrucian order... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Moderator florduh Posted April 18, 2008 Super Moderator Share Posted April 18, 2008 This isn't the first thread I've seen on here about speaking in tongues. I have a question. Paul says that if anyone insists on speaking in tongues (I get the feeling he only tolerates it because they insist), then they should do it only if someone is present who can interpret, and only two or three at the most should do it at one service. Also, these should take turns to do it. The stories I read on here sound like there is no order or taking of turns; the entire congregation just breaks out in pandemonium or chaotic noise. What biblical basis do they use to justify such a "babylon"? I don't have any verses at hand, but the question of "tongues" is the basis for one of the greatest schisms among protestants. I was in a church similar to very conservative Baptist, and my dad was a Pentecostal/Charismatic. My conservative group insisted that the time for tongues has passed. When tongues were used it was for real languages, not gibberish. Pentecostals and Charismatics were too emotional, boastful of their "gifts" and Biblically incorrect. Conversely, those wild and crazy "baptized in the spirit" types claimed we hadn't received the Holy Ghost, and were just barely Christians at all. Ability to speak in tongues was considered the only real proof that you had the Holy Spirit indwelling. Even the Catholics got in on the action with Charismatic movements that took place after their formal, dry Masses. The more you acted up, the more you loved the Lord! And we thought Muslims were crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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