Canada's! Canada's Christian Shame

[MesaGman]

Canadians, have a chip on our shoulder. We love to Bash Americans for being a country of genocidal, racist, militaristic (abombs and billion dollar ships and planes), Christian Crusaiding country.

 

We Canadians love to say, we're better than Americans, because of our Health care system, our "tolerance", and our human rights. I'm Canadian, and I'm proud of Canada, and at times Canada may be the gentler country..... BUT. We're not better than the Americans, we love to flaunt out supposingly non racist, non genocidal behavours, that stem to modern day issues like the Oka uprising, or the Burnt Church, or Kipperwash (I think with the Cholra outbreak).

 

This proves that Canadians are brutal humans..... http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/index.html

 

We're just as Brutal as China is to the Tibetans, and the American slavers were to the blacks! And even more damning? these are CHRISTIAN CANADIAN atrocities.

 

Canadians have no business, dictating and critisizing the bullying policies of America.... as we have had our fair share of Snaggle tooth, smelly grunt bully boy crimes! I'm from Calgary, and grew up in Edmonton. I'm not hateful against Canadians, but I'm deeply ashamed with my country. and it's gall to dictate "human rights" on other countries, when it does the same thing!

 

Why the reserves are just bantustans and "palistine" concentrations... we're no better than China in this regard of devaluing humans. (just that we don't have gulags).... but still, the atrocities we have commited against the Aborginals, are hardly U.N. human rights quality stuff.

 

Canada is a human country after all. lol. Far from the paradise that exists in Micheal Moore's mind. (coincidently, the summer after he shot Bowling For Columbine.... in 2005, Toronto is named the year of the Gun, and Edmonton breaks the all time murder count of 39 (I know peanuts compared to America, but it's the sharp rise of violence).

 

but I rather live in Canada..... the water is up here. lol. But it's not a paradise that deserves it's praise. It has done very disgusting stuff.... again check the link out. Not bad for being a Christian paradise.....

 

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/index.html

[hereticzero]

Canadians, have a chip on our shoulder. We love to Bash Americans for being a country of genocidal, racist, militaristic (abombs and billion dollar ships and planes), Christian Crusaiding country.

 

As an Amerikan, I take umbrage to that comment (tongue in cheek): We used the bomb only twice, in our history and in the same war, they were such tiny bombs anyway, who's to notice?

 

BTW: Your Canadian health care saved my friend's wife way back in the 1970s and they did not even send them a bill when they made it home. GO CANADA!

[hereticzero]

BTW: God was on our side anyway and nagged Pres. Truman until he dropped the big one! It's God's fault, not ours that he is on our side making us do all these damnable things around the world!

 

You all could do this to if you could only get God on your side too!

[MesaGman]

Canadians, have a chip on our shoulder. We love to Bash Americans for being a country of genocidal, racist, militaristic (abombs and billion dollar ships and planes), Christian Crusaiding country.

 

As an Amerikan, I take umbrage to that comment (tongue in cheek): We used the bomb only twice, in our history and in the same war, they were such tiny bombs anyway, who's to notice?

 

BTW: Your Canadian health care saved my friend's wife way back in the 1970s and they did not even send them a bill when they made it home. GO CANADA!

 

 

>>> the Canadian Health Care also stitched my finger together when I cut it with a knife at AW. But Like does our Health Care, and our supposingly low gun fatality rate qualify Canada to be a morally snow white of a country? or blanche carte to accuse other countries, like America as being genocidal, when we ourselves have a history of it? or do what other countries did? Like sure we're not dictatorship like Stalin, or Hitler, or Idi Amin, or Suharto, but still. violence against Aborginal children doesn't exactly qualify Canada for being prime example human rights.... Like some of those cases children died. This is genocide, same as the Armenian Genocide, or the Genocide of Hebrews to Cananaites, to Kurdistan, and East Timor. and this is also a Christian genocide. 2000 years latter and they still haven't grasped the simple concept of "Be Excellent" to Each other. if two stoners from San Dimas (Bill and Ted), can understand this. why can't the Christians? clearly this it not a conversion mission but a mission to displace indignious people, a violation of the United Nations Charter of Human Rights, which Canada authored. Shame on you Canada.

 

when I mentioned that nuclear bomb comment. I was just pointing out the stereotypes that Canadians have. and all the politicians in Canada care about is some ancient rotting issue from 2003. Something, about a Sponsorship scandal, or Gomery Inquiry, like bury it guys. Talk about new stuff. Like Canadian parties only recently produced so called "American attack Ads". American attack Ads? like why not just call them Attack Ads? Why does Canada have a need to feel we're more pious than America?

 

we're also a mega church lizard men following country. Like look at Steven Harper's Snake like Lizard eyes... nobody dare tell me he's not a tin foil hat, conspiracy grassy Gnoll, Illuminati, Zeigheist, UFO, against immunizing children-in fear-of RDIF chips in the injections kind of looking guy. lol...... plus we love Cowboy movies and hunting too. Infact many Americans come up to Canada, to hunt.

 

So Canadians shouldn't feel superior to America, calling you guys ignorant paranoid fools, we watch the same movies as you do.... and now we have the identical crimes against humanity too. and heh.. Canada Gave India the bomb. Pretty impressive for a country that arrogantly states that we're not going to use nuclear technology for war. ha ha ha. so when Pakistan fires Allah bombs and India fires Kali hell bitch bombs back. It's ALL CANADA baby! Go Canada!

 

God is on our side though , Canada is a Protestant country, as our Queen is the Lord Defender of the Faith, It says so on our money. Regis De Grata (by God's Grace). Henry the VIII wanted to devorce and told the pope to fuck off, and formed the Anglican church. very big in Canada. Then the French who settled in New France Which extended from Quebec City, all the way down to Lousiana, installed Bishop Laval as first Catholic in North America. So we get both Gods protecting the holy Kingdom of Canada. Canada therefore has a duty to go on a Crusade and fight for both Churches of Jesus. OR Canada sucks so much that we need both Gods protecting us not just one. lol.

[hereticzero]

America IS paranoid. The policy of defense is to overreact first then make plans after everyone calms down. It was not unforseeable that Bush would invade Iraq at the first opportunity. In terrorism there is no one single country to claim victory against as we did in WWII. Iraq was available and Bush used lame British intelligence to justify his invasion of Iraq. Hussein was a victim of his own propaganda and spin. He threatened every chance he got and Bush did not need much persuasion to invade under false pretenses. I think the US is a very dangerous country that interferes in the political evolution of other countries and will stop at nothing to impose its version of Democracy on the rest of the world. The planet should be paranoid of the US.

[Grandpa Harley]

I think you'll find the Lame British intel was based on Lame CIA sources... the US sent it, we sexed it up, then you guys acted on it...

 

I blame the Papist B-Liar for that...

[The-Captain]

I think you'll find the Lame British intel was based on Lame CIA sources... the US sent it, we sexed it up, then you guys acted on it...

 

I blame the Papist B-Liar for that...

 

Bit off subject but hows Gordon working out for you lot. He was Chancellor of the Exchequer under Blair, but they didn't get along right?

[Grandpa Harley]

Gordon is something of a standing joke.. but he wanted no part of Iraq... and when the guy who controls the money say 'No' then you don't do it...

[R. S. Martin]

Been taking a bit of a break here. Been doing some thinking. I must admit I've been seeing articles and stuff about my country's involvement in the war on terrorism that does not make me "Proud to be Canadian."

 

Er, that's an assault on my identity. I'm Canadian and proud of it for reasons that have nothing to do with politics. I'm sure the same goes for all humans, Americans included, no matter who they are or where they were born. It's just the natural feeling for a person to have. We're born in a place and it's all we know so we love it. At least, that's been my case and I'm sure it's the case of the vast bulk of the six-billion-plus humans on this planet.

 

I also agree with the "Aboriginal holocaust" bit. I spent time with Ojibwa people some years ago and heard stuff one doesn't learn in school. The issues are simply too big for me. The old people I learned to know had been through the residential schools. It was as though the horrors they'd experienced were too huge to talk about. Besides, even the textbooks say the government raided homes and took little children as young as seven away from their parents--and often not even the parents could speak the language of the men who "stole" the children. That violates the sensitivities of any child no matter how well-intentioned the government's action is.

 

Then there's the land issue. The Reservation I was on was a penninsula jutting into one of the Great Lakes. The psychological impact with a penninsula is that you're trapped. There's deep water on three sides and on the land side your escape is cut off by the enemy that herded you there in the first place. Also, the land was poor. These were farming folk and they'd been sent off to subsist on this bit of poor land. I was told by Mennonite Central Committee, under whose supervision I was on the Reservation, that this was one of the most well-to-do Reservations in the country. I was there in the summer so I don't know what kind of heating they had in their homes. Some houses are of well-to-do middle class quality and others are very definitely not. From what I saw, I have reason to believe that they live in relative comfort. I think there were problems I was intentionally shielded from, such as drugs and unemployment among youth. Also, I saw next to nothing of young families with little children.

 

I listened to a bitter conversation among the old folks. It must have been handed down to them from earlier generations. One gets a sense of how ancient a people this is when "recent history" is only two centuries only. In a young nation like Canada, two whole centuries is well nigh the entire history there is of settled civilization. My own ancestory in this part of the country goes back two centuries and they carved a home out of the virgin forest. For me, two centuries back is The Beginning. Not for the Ojibwa people. And now there was a rumour about the government setting bears loose in the vicinity.

 

"They sent us (meaning the ancestors two centuries earlier) to _________, and then they sent us further north. They kept sending us further and further out until we were right out on the lake. And now they're setting bears loose on us! They just want to be rid of us."

 

I lost contact and never found out the facts about the "bear rumour."

 

One of my first days with them, two ladies took me out to eat. We waited quite a while for service and when we finally got service I was shocked at the attitude of the waitress. She acted as though she were dealing with filth. She seemed to wait on us because the law said she had to, and for no other reason. It made no sense to me. The ladies I was with were decent, happy ladies, not to mention that they were so light-skinned that I would never have known them not to be white if they hadn't claimed Indian status.

 

Of course, I was fresh from the Old Order Mennonite community and not at all familiar with mainstream cultural cues. And picking up on social cues is something I'm no good at on my best days. But I do know that these ladies were decent, trust-worthy people. I lived in their homes and trusted them with my life. I was very well cared for. That they were treated like filth outraged my sensitivities. I hadn't a clue what to do about it.

[MathGeek]

This issue is pretty sick. Can anyone say flashback to Wounded Knee?

 

It is pretty sad when I know more about the local history than my students do. I know a few words of their native tongue and one girl told me I know more of it than she does. Nowadays, their history is not being forced out of them, it is naturally falling by the wayside.

[Comanche]

This issue is pretty sick. Can anyone say flashback to Wounded Knee?

 

It is pretty sad when I know more about the local history than my students do. I know a few words of their native tongue and one girl told me I know more of it than she does. Nowadays, their history is not being forced out of them, it is naturally falling by the wayside.

Every country has its atrocities, so I don't believe it's so much the individual countries fault but the fact that humans are so easily corrupted. Those who forget history truly are condemned to repeat it. The thing is, no one seems to care about history anymore. From the time I was able to read, and even before that, I've been taught by my parents that there is nothing greater than knowledge. My first trip to the Natural History Museum in New York was when I was three, Gettysburg/Washington D.C. at seven, whereas most kids never even get taken to local museums. If the parents aren't going to take a stand in showing them how interesting history/science can be, who will? And with teachers now forced to teach according to a test, they can't help much either.

 

It's really sick what our society is becoming. The museums here are losing funding - there's a great hands-on kids science museum downtown that I've been to at least 15 times that might get closed down, along with a Holocaust museum that got burned down and is taking years to rebuild. It makes me sad, since this city is so rich in history and nobody seems to know anything about it, let alone care about it. They might as well start burning books and shutting down universities.

 

Frankly, I think that instead of funding all these tests, they need to fund something that makes sure every American student gets the chance to visit the Smithsonian at least once.

[MathGeek]

It's really sick what our society is becoming. The museums here are losing funding - there's a great hands-on kids science museum downtown that I've been to at least 15 times that might get closed down, along with a Holocaust museum that got burned down and is taking years to rebuild. It makes me sad, since this city is so rich in history and nobody seems to know anything about it, let alone care about it. They might as well start burning books and shutting down universities.

 

Frankly, I think that instead of funding all these tests, they need to fund something that makes sure every American student gets the chance to visit the Smithsonian at least once.

 

I echo your sentiments, Comanche. It is also appalling that none of my students seem to have a natural curiosity about anything anymore. For example, I did this trick on the board

 

Comanche => Eight => Five => Four

Grandpa Harley => Thirteen => Eight => Five => Four

 

Only two of my students found it interesting, several of them in your age bracket thought it was stupid after I revealed the truth of it to them.

 

Curiosity is the anathema to today's youth, to inspire it is almost tauntamouont to a death sentence.

[R. S. Martin]

This issue is pretty sick. Can anyone say flashback to Wounded Knee?

 

It is pretty sad when I know more about the local history than my students do. I know a few words of their native tongue and one girl told me I know more of it than she does. Nowadays, their history is not being forced out of them, it is naturally falling by the wayside.

 

I do not believe that those bears were set loose on the Indians. Perhaps a pair was put into a Natural Conservation Area twenty miles away to populate a park, and some fearful soul exaggerated the danger to human life. Fed by memories of residential schools, such fears may well be justified. However, I do not believe that there was any real danger to human life. The political strength of Aboriginal peoples in Canada is too well established and respected at this point in history. Witness the creation of Nunavut and its official Aboriginal languages.

 

In the community where I had been in the summer of 2000, there was an organized effort from the inside to relearn and teach the ancestral language. The old folk remembered it from their early childhoods, their middle-aged children--some of whom had free university education by courtesy of the Anglican Church--were learning it, and it was being taught at the Reservation school to the children.

 

MCC was putting together a CD with the song Jesus Loves Me in various languages. That community made its contribution and I have the tape on which four girls aged about 10 to 12 sang Jesus Loves Me in Ojibwa.

 

There is also some traditional religion being practiced. Okay, I'm talking about what things were like in the year 2000. I saw other explicit attempts at reviving, or continuing, cultural practices.

 

I have much admiration for the strength of these people. Items I had thought were outlawed a hundred years ago by Europeans had only gone underground and never died out. The challenge, as I see it, will be for all of us to co-exist regardless of past prejudices and grievances, horrific as they may be.

[♦ nivek ♦]

There are no innocents in this world.

 

Interesting point on the history of a "now pacified" people. Folks "then" sure wouldn't recognize "now", save for a few warriors, the People that inherited their conquests...

 

Afraid my People are, nahhh, long become a pussified, creepy, spineless nation of cowards and herd animals for most part. Won't stand up to those who usurp their Rights and Responsibilities, offer tokens and trinkets for their Sons and Daughters blood.

 

Having done a bang up job on the *natives*, now the ruling class has to get rid of all the "eurotrash" and assorted pesky pukes still making noises about earning a fair wage and keeping it.

 

All too soon I fear "everyone" will be working for their daily dole from the Man, all in exchange for some pox filled blankets and wormy cornmeal..

 

Yeah, r i g h t

 

k, son of sons of RebelsFL

[R. S. Martin]

There are no innocents in this world.

 

Been doing what I can in this thread not to mention all the jabs I've received from Aboriginals for the sin of being born white. Even the highly educated Aboriginal, when confronted about the injustice, will pause in dignified silence, then calmly justify the attitude. I know the horror of being "alone with the Indians/savages" during that moment of silence. There were about a dozen of them and one of me.

 

And yeah, I'm not innocent. I know that now. I learned it the hard way--by suggesting that Europeans are equal to the Iroquois (when engaging in the same behaviour of driving Ojibwa people out of their homes) when to Ojibwa people they so very obviously are not. Being considered an inferior race does not feel good at all. Too bad I didn't know that before I decided to get born from white parents.

 

Having done a bang up job on the *natives*,

 

Not sure what you're getting at with the astericks there but I did raise the issue with my Ojibwa friends about native. Canada is my "home and native land." I was born here. I have no where else to go. Where, for example, am I supposed to go? They just sort of looked at me as though I were crazy. Maybe there was something I wasn't getting.

 

And for the landclaims issue. If a farmer works hard all his life from dawn to dusk to pay off a huge mortgage just for a place to live and to make a living, is it right for some Aboriginal Land Claims Committee to step in right about the time when it's beginning to pay and force him to move out? I don't understand the details of the law, but I know that a lot of Old Order Mennonite land at one time belonged to the Natives. Chief Joseph Brant sold it to some European land hawk. Quite likely the European stole it as in not paying what it was worth; I don't remember that part of the story.

 

But today we are talking about human lives that are in no way connected to those people who did the transactions. Is it fair to make entire families suffer several centuries later for the follies of these long-dead crazies? My friends explained that this shouldn't happen. It hasn't happened to anyone that I know. Is that because of luck or because of the law? Again, I don't know. I did see farms in their area that were obviously European farms that had to be given over to the Reservation. How long until they get strong enough in the Mennonite area to crowd the farmers off their land--land that has been in one family for six to eight generations?

 

Readers must be totally confused as to my position. Maybe that's because I see so many sides, many of which I don't understand. It still wasn't right for that waitress to be nasty to my hosts. Healing has to start somewhere. And my hosts did not even know that they had been slighted.

 

Then there's places in this country--so I've heard--where Natives are allowed to fish and hunt and whites are not and they all live in the same town. There's about equal numbers of each. Or major overlaps of white and Aboriginal populations. In order for peaceful co-existence to be possible, forgiveness and racial tolerance will have to come from both sides. So it appears to me.

 

MesaGman, what's your view of the situation from your place on the map? I think the situation I heard about was from somewhere on the prairie provinces but sorry, I don't remember exactly which one. I have in mind it was Manitoba but I couldn't be sure. Perhaps you are Aboriginal and can explain some of these things that I feel conflicted about.

[MesaGman]

My original position and argument was not based on Land claims, but HUMAN RIGHTS. The Blacks got Black History month, and Martin Luther King Day. the Jews got, Anne Frank museums (some in countries like Japan, that has NOTHING to do with the holocaust. The Japanese genocided the Chinese and Koreans and Vietnamese). yet, there are no mornuments to 60 Million dead Chinese. there are no mornuments to the Aborginals. But. statues of Frank all over the place.

 

What of the Aborginal massacre of 1999 in East Timor? (There are horrific photo graphs, of headless girls), where is the "Shindler's List", where are the "Munich" movies about other human suffering?

 

Clearly, perhaps that some humans are more equal than others, Frank, and the Jews command more attention, because they're the perscuted servants of God, with Pharos chasing them, with the Romans sacking their temples....

 

yet, when Aborginals die, there is hardly a peep. no interpretive centers of the Dakota massacres, no interpretive centers for the Trail of Tears, no memorial for the pandemic that wiped out an entire race. Just Tanto the Gunga Din of the Aborginals, on Turner Classics or something. That's that pisses me off. People are dying, and Aborginals should have more sympathy equal to the Black slave's horrific dehumanizing hell. Fredrick Douglas's account of watching his cousin's brain being "boom head shotted". (as youth call it), was quite Graphic.

 

But people being hurt equally sucks for ALL people. including my people's genocide of the Tibetans, is just as equal as Suharto's murder of Paupuans.

 

And I really don't want to bring children into this world, where they can read in the papers, Evil people run over kids their own age with tanks. As in Palestine, or kids their own age wear bomb to genocide the Jews.

 

genocide is genocide is genocide. and Canada has no business to point the finger to other countries, when we have helped the Christian church genocide. That's what I was trying to get across.

 

Yet when I go to college, I can't take courses on Aborginal rights, or Aborginal issues. Why not! This is their home! Kanada is a Aborginal word! Infact I'm strongly thinking of returning my Alberta Centennial Medal, in protest. I can not be a part of a government that Genocides.

 

500 years of this is enough... anyways, with the world being the shit hole it is, enough is enough! it's time for a change.

[MesaGman]

MesaGman, what's your view of the situation from your place on the map? I think the situation I heard about was from somewhere on the prairie provinces but sorry, I don't remember exactly which one. I have in mind it was Manitoba but I couldn't be sure. Perhaps you are Aboriginal and can explain some of these things that I feel conflicted about.

 

 

>>> you asked where I'm from, Alberta. There are alot of aborginals out here, especially in Edmonton. I'm not Aborginal. I'm Chinese-Canadian, quite proud of Canada actually, but.... disgusted at the farce, that Canada portrays itself as some better human rights abusing country, and quite proud that we are the "number 1 place to live", or what not. as Canadians, I know all about our rivalry with America, to see which is the better country, and often we site America as being a polluted country, full of gun nuts, racist rednecks, and militant bullying. The Canadian identity is not strongly defined, only in terms of "Oh we got better beer than the States", or so that's what many Canadian youths I've come across say anyways. (a fuzzy headed Nova Scotian, that berates people for not drinking Keiths, the old mascot), or a park ranger outwitted by bigfoot, is really nothing to be proud of when it comes to the world stage. Canadians I'd say, we love to live in a happy "Who-Ville". and when the mayor (in my case me, or someone else that comes along with truthful information or contrary observations that disrupt this happy existance. That Canada is a human rights loving country, with medical treatements (which were discovered by New Yorkers at the Columbia U). Then we're booed, for not being proud of Canada.

 

But the naysayers are just trying to bring maturity to their country, in this case, progressive legislature instead of bandaid solutions to Aborginal rights. We could give aboriginals all the money in the world, you can give Holocaust victims all the money in the world, Germany did, or hell Ww2 has been over for 65 years, Japan has suffered a recession, two atomic bombs, (radioactive mutations after the atomic bombs). what more do the Chinese want, or what more do the Jews want in Israel? They get the good land, and give the shit land to the Palestinians, and claim that they have a right to do this to exist.

 

My stance is that call a spade a spade, in this case, if Canadian government cooperated with private churches to kidnap children, and hurt them. then those who are responsible should be proscuted. Just as the Nazis chased down by the Mossad are proscuted....

 

If there is one thing that I would be proud of if Canada was the first to apologize to the Aborginals, by creating some memorial, (just like the Arkensasians had a memorial when the Mormons killed them), or at least acknowledge to the world that we have hurt own own people. Germany did this, (yet they're portrayed in movies as angry psychotic drunks, the most recent is Beerfest). Open a dialog, and ACT on agreements. Don't let it come to the point that the Aborginals are customers of the people who make Automatic Karisnovs in the year 2015. Or Canada might find themselves on the wrong end of boycotts, just like we boycotted Israel, and South America, and Iraq.

 

Let Canada mature enough to apologize and intergrate the indigninous traditions, into the cultural human collective, as we have with Black History month, let public schools equally teach the horrors of the Aborginal holocaust EQUALLY with the Jewish Holocaust. If we have to learn about Jewish Ghettos in grade 10 social studies, why can't we learn about reserves modern day Bantustans. But news papers don't report this, all they report on are the "Free Tibet", issues. (I can't wait until 2010 and Canada has to face our demons), maybe we put out the Olympic torch, again, in response to the Aborginal Ghettos? just a suggestion.

 

But of course Canada is pure and driven as snow, we have gay rights, we have universal health care, we created the UN peace Keepers, we have stronger beer and Stronger weed, we are a country that prides ourselves on promoting human rights..... except in the case of Aborginals. They're not Jewish, and not related to God, therefore their suffering is less worthy. lol.

[hereticzero]

I don't think Canada has a chip on its shoulder any bigger than Amerika's. Talk about people that are CERTAIN of their place in the cosmos, you have Americans. They are absolutely certain god is on their side and that they are the chosen race from amongst millions that come together to be the seed of Abraham. Can't get any warmer and fuzzier than that! Our country was founded on the lost tribe of Israel, dammit! Now you know what makes us special in the universe and above all others on this little planet. Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine are two reasons to fear America's claim, and another is that our President assumes all powers not listed in the Constitution to play with as his imagination sees fit. I think every country has its dark side to the power of the force.

[R. S. Martin]

Heretic, I like your honesty. I think there's a bit of info MesaGman, as a nonwhite Canadian, is privy to that you're innocent of.

 

We're hurt, offended, and jealous because our Big Brother to the South has shrugged us off and ignored us. Whether or not these feelings are justified is not the point of this thread, as I see it. The way things are coming into focus for me is that instead of owning these feelings we're blaming Big Brother for stupid stuff like genocide and race problems that we ourselves are just as guilty of.

 

The States rebelled against Britain when? Centuries ago. The American-Canadian international border is the longest peaceful international border in the world, it is said, but exactly how peaceful is it? Has the war really ended? White Canadians wouldn't be caught dead sleeping with a White American. (I realize that is a very broad generalization but you get the picture.)

 

What kind of peace is that???

 

Ain't got no answers here, MesaGman. You shone the light on the issue from an angle I've never seen it or thought about it before. Looks like it's a purely white problem--white as the driven snow???--and we're doing what we can to drag everyone else into the vortex of battle with us.

 

Yeah, and it's happening on every level from the top of Parliament Hill to the basement of the Daycare Centre. Never saw it this way before. Required the contribution of a nonwhite Canadian. I'm beginning to see the richness of the mosaic of multiculturism and it's making me Proud to be Canadian in a humbler way. I hope. Thanks for shining your light, my brother.

[MesaGman]

no Martin, when I mean white.... the colour of purity. Not the Ethnological connotation... I'm saying that Canadians love to Bash America, for being a racist country of murders and psychopathic gun nuts, that invade countries for no reason (in this age, it's the Iraq war and Vietnam war). America is seen as a homophobic country of hipprocrtical mega churches.

 

But what about Canada. In this case the Resident Indian schools stop being used in the 50s, alot of those survivors are still alive, and haven't been accounted for. We have memorials of Jewish holocaust survivors yet, Canada didn't participate in the holocaust, we attacked the honocaust. Why should we with our tax money should we appricate the human rights abuses of people we didn't abuse, and or had nothing to do. If anything these holocaust memorials should just be Austria-Germany, and Poland.

 

But we do honour the holocaust survivors. however, why don't the aborginals get remembered in the same way?

[R. S. Martin]

no Martin, when I mean white.... the colour of purity. Not the Ethnological connotation... I'm saying that Canadians love to Bash America, for being a racist country of murders and psychopathic gun nuts, that invade countries for no reason (in this age, it's the Iraq war and Vietnam war). America is seen as a homophobic country of hipprocrtical mega churches.

 

Thanks for clarifying. All the same, this is really good and wholesome experience for me. I lived all my life isolated from all other ethnic groups and I have a very serious problem identifying with them on the same level as I do with whites. I think this is a very wide-spread problem that, even though we manage to be polite on the outside, we feel less than equal on the inside. I know other ethnic groups tend to feel the same way because I've seen them act it out. (And if we acted it--feeling of racial superiority--out in the same way, we'd be facing law suits. That's part of what some of us indicated above.)

 

I've heard from white Canadians working or traveling in East Asia that East Asians have all these ideas about whom they will talk with and whom they don't get along with. It sounded really silly to me because East Asians all look the same to me. Now a Chinese-Canadian is making me aware that Euro-Canadians are no better. In fact, we're worse! We're expecting everyone else--no matter how badly we've treated them or others similar ethnicity in the past--to join us in our personal battles and pity-parties. Well, I'm something of a social science nut at heart and one fast way to my heart is by illuminating an impressive new insight about the social values of my "home and native land."

 

I'm glad you don't feel very strongly about this because we need to stick together. But if we want to stick together, whites do have to accept nonwhites as equals and not just to be politically correct. So I thank you for the insight even if it was by accident.

 

But what about Canada. In this case the Resident Indian schools stop being used in the 50s, alot of those survivors are still alive, and haven't been accounted for. We have memorials of Jewish holocaust survivors yet, Canada didn't participate in the holocaust, we attacked the honocaust. Why should we with our tax money should we appricate the human rights abuses of people we didn't abuse, and or had nothing to do. If anything these holocaust memorials should just be Austria-Germany, and Poland.

 

But we do honour the holocaust survivors. however, why don't the aborginals get remembered in the same way?

 

I have intentionally skirted around and avoided addressing this aspect of your question. Why? Because I haven't a clue about the structure of government, financial institutions, how government policy is made or put into place, etc. Where I come from, this was not part of dinnertable talk. We didn't vote and we didn't take part in politics. Very highest level of education was Grade 8. I know too little about it to ask intelligent questions. Therefore I am hoping others will respond.

 

I personally have no high school education. My recent studies have been in the arts and humanities, not political science or math. Hopefully that explains why I know what I do, but not more.

[MesaGman]

no Martin, when I mean white.... the colour of purity. Not the Ethnological connotation... I'm saying that Canadians love to Bash America, for being a racist country of murders and psychopathic gun nuts, that invade countries for no reason (in this age, it's the Iraq war and Vietnam war). America is seen as a homophobic country of hipprocrtical mega churches.

 

Thanks for clarifying. All the same, this is really good and wholesome experience for me. I lived all my life isolated from all other ethnic groups and I have a very serious problem identifying with them on the same level as I do with whites. I think this is a very wide-spread problem that, even though we manage to be polite on the outside, we feel less than equal on the inside. I know other ethnic groups tend to feel the same way because I've seen them act it out. (And if we acted it--feeling of racial superiority--out in the same way, we'd be facing law suits. That's part of what some of us indicated above.)

 

I've heard from white Canadians working or traveling in East Asia that East Asians have all these ideas about whom they will talk with and whom they don't get along with. It sounded really silly to me because East Asians all look the same to me. Now a Chinese-Canadian is making me aware that Euro-Canadians are no better. In fact, we're worse!

 

 

>>>> I'm not sure what you are meaning here. I don't associate myself with Chinese culture, well I do. But only as a part of humanity as a whole. Most Asians youths, are actually into imaginary space cultures, ie Star craft, or Warcraft in China. lol,

 

 

 

 

We're expecting everyone else--no matter how badly we've treated them or others similar ethnicity in the past--to join us in our personal battles and pity-parties. Well, I'm something of a social science nut at heart and one fast way to my heart is by illuminating an impressive new insight about the social values of my "home and native land."

 

 

>>>> It's not because you're native that I chose to get involved in pity parties, which they really arn't. It's all about human rights for all in this 21 century. 2000 years of bullying and bullshit on this planet is long enough. I'm fucking pissed at the Catholics who killed anyone who had a brain. Like think of how far humanity would be. We'd be terraforming Mars now. If Gallieo and his family wasn't banished from society. He and his sons or daughters would go on passing on intelligent genes. Like think of how many people the Canadian government killed 50,000 children, like alot of them are intelligent, would have grown into mature productive adults. And who knows had the cure of AIDS in their brains, but no "Sister Mercy" had to beat her up. Like the aborginals I met in the homeless shelter, look so defeated, so broken. If only they knew that their young are going to college, hell the Aborginals own Hard Rock CAFE! like with all that money coming from their growing professional population. (many in Alberta are lawyers), and I'm assuming that you have and Education Martin, because you are a avid poster, posting your many opinions here.... Like it's not about pity and repirations, but respect and full inclusion into Canadian society. One thing that I admire about the Aborginal, are their cultural practices their medicens that like Chinese ones, or other natural sciences, are being studied and research. (hopefully the Scientific community will respect Accupuncture, as just manipulation of spinal nurons, rather than this magical Chi fairy energy bullshit).

 

Like we have to respect Aborginals as humans in this contemporary world, that their culture can be respected. I hope the United nations includes aborginal cultural like Fish Creek park just a few blocks from my house. (As Aborginals were one of the first of the pre ice age, to use arrowheads). I do this for all people who have been perscuted Martin.

 

I want humanity to progress, to enter a homeostatic modern giant race that encompaces all races. It's like that scene on Warriors where Cyrus gets all the gangs of New York and expouses the benifits of unity. I want this race for Humanity. Not Chinese, Not American, or Canadian Tribals, with imaginary lines, but a world of science and progress. And I'm damn proud that many young Aborginals, are being proactive learning trades and what not. We need New thinking, not old thinking. China's hegemony is old thinking, American hegemony is old thinking. It's as old and obsolete as Christianity..... or Daoism.

 

 

 

I'm glad you don't feel very strongly about this because we need to stick together. But if we want to stick together, whites do have to accept nonwhites as equals and not just to be politically correct. So I thank you for the insight even if it was by accident.

 

But what about Canada. In this case the Resident Indian schools stop being used in the 50s, alot of those survivors are still alive, and haven't been accounted for. We have memorials of Jewish holocaust survivors yet, Canada didn't participate in the holocaust, we attacked the honocaust. Why should we with our tax money should we appricate the human rights abuses of people we didn't abuse, and or had nothing to do. If anything these holocaust memorials should just be Austria-Germany, and Poland.

 

But we do honour the holocaust survivors. however, why don't the aborginals get remembered in the same way?

 

I have intentionally skirted around and avoided addressing this aspect of your question. Why? Because I haven't a clue about the structure of government, financial institutions, how government policy is made or put into place, etc. Where I come from, this was not part of dinnertable talk. We didn't vote and we didn't take part in politics. Very highest level of education was Grade 8. I know too little about it to ask intelligent questions. Therefore I am hoping others will respond.

 

I personally have no high school education. My recent studies have been in the arts and humanities, not political science or math. Hopefully that explains why I know what I do, but not more.

 

 

>>> I'm curious Martin, are you Aborginal. Care to share some of your past with us? What do you do now? what are your thoughts of your culture, or growing up in Canada in a predominantly caucasian.... or perhaps a Techno world 1990s-present. Where everyone has been pretty much technified, and not WASPified. because I grew up in the pre internet world, back in the 80s, I guess the last of the play outdoor kid generation. I was very outcasted, BUT, I was outcasted for being that weird kid. That strange quiet nerd, fellow Chinese kids though I was too "retarded" or mutated or what not to play. so as we reached the Information age of 90s-present. When facial prejudices didn't matter, as many of the "nerdy" goobers have disappeared behind a screen including myself. (I loves my computer screen and my inner privacy lol). Race became less of a matter, infact, I find it has equalized many people, as computers are only what 200 now. instead of 2000. 10 years ago.

 

Infact Many Aborginal youths, have taken to B-boying, and are very good B-boyers here in Alberta. How do you find The interwebs lawls, has impacted the Aborginal community? has it helped homogenified Aborginals, as it has most youths.

 

Now it's all iphones, and texting. (funny episode of Bromwell High, Nerdy girl, wanted to present ethinic students as being different. They all responded "hi my name is..... I like KFC and text messaging". ha ha.

 

In China? it's Walmart and Mc fuck's (McDonalds' I call them that because they treated me like an animal when I worked in there). If anything... people in China arn't Chinese, but Stormwinders, or if they play as Orcs Orgrminarites. hee hee hee. And Koreans are Zergs, Acturians, and Protossians. Japanese.... they're still humans, living on different planets fighting with Gundams, Or Pokemites from Pokeland.

[Shion]

This is a really interesting thread. Although at first it was confusing, because of the use of the word 'Aboriginals'. From the title I thought it would be about the natives of Australia. So I learned a new word.

 

I really think it is a problem with the way we teach history and culture in most modern societies that we ignore the tribal cultures of the Americas and Australia. They had a long history before Europeans reached their shores, stole their land, ect. I wish I knew more about it then a bit about wigwams and pottery. I also find it annoying how one genocide is portrayed as more terrible, more heartrending then another. Another annoying factor is how little is broadcasted on the subject. I have yet to see a program on the History channel about Native American History with any depth other then how we destroyed their culture or what the Aztecs & Mayas built.

[R. S. Martin]

This is a really interesting thread. Although at first it was confusing, because of the use of the word 'Aboriginals'. From the title I thought it would be about the natives of Australia. So I learned a new word.

 

In Canada there are two distinct races of Aboriginal peoples, traditionally known as Indians and Eskimos. Indiginous peoples is another term that is sometimes used.

[Shion]

This is a really interesting thread. Although at first it was confusing, because of the use of the word 'Aboriginals'. From the title I thought it would be about the natives of Australia. So I learned a new word.

 

In Canada there are two distinct races of Aboriginal peoples, traditionally known as Indians and Eskimos. Indiginous peoples is another term that is sometimes used.

 

Thanks. Down here they keep arguing between Indian, American Indian and Native American, all of which are used for the natives of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Some textbooks even call the Incas of Peru 'Indians.' All three terms are incorrect. I wish they would refer to these people by their tribal associations rather then these umbrella terms.