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Francois Tremblay

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Um.. let me be very specific here :

 

When I say "Moral responsibility is the first thing that drops off when you become religious", I mean ALL RELIGION. Not just specific kinds of religious people. Religion by definition is collectivist - which implies moral abdication.

 

I know some Christians may not feel that way, but that's because they borrow from atheists. Moral autonomy and values are only logically possible within atheistic worldviews.

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I didn't fall into those groups either, when I was a committed Christian.

 

Also, I agree with Neil that there are some holes in humanism. Another thread to discuss that would be a good idea.

 

There may be holes in Humanism, and I too would be interested in disucssing them. But we must also keep in mind one thing; Humanists are free to debate those issues and make changes to the Humanist Philosophy. In fact they welcome such debates. At least that is one big hole we don't have to fill. :woohoo:

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Oooor you could leave Humanism altogether and join pro-individualists and pro-objectivity people like me who, appropriately enough, don't have any organization. (^_____^)

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kinda like conforming with the non-conformists?

 

:P

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Yep, I'm a proud anti-conformist, anti-authority, anti-democracy, elitist bastard. Pretty much as anti-humanist as an atheist can get. ;)

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Yep, I'm a proud anti-conformist, anti-authority, anti-democracy, elitist bastard. Pretty much as anti-humanist as an atheist can get. ;)

 

But you like humans...?? I hope.

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Why should I like "humanity" ? It's just a concept. I don't like or dislike humanity any more than I like or dislike "table".

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Love lamp ? Sounds like a woeful mispronounciation of "lava lamp" turned into a lucrative pornographic opportunity.

 

It's actually a quote from "The Legend of Ron Burgundy"

 

:HaHa:

 

you and your big words....and your small difficult words.

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Moral autonomy and values are only logically possible within atheistic worldviews.

 

 

I must disagree. Many theists are flexible in their interpretation of scripture or do not subscribe to any scripture at all. Sometimes the tail doesn't wag the dog. We should be careful about broad and exclusive statements, lest we assume one of the least endearing characteristics of those we oppose.

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I must disagree. Many theists are flexible in their interpretation of scripture or do not subscribe to any scripture at all. Sometimes the tail doesn't wag the dog. We should be careful about broad and exclusive statements, lest we assume one of the least endearing characteristics of those we oppose.

 

No, that's what you get when you jump to conclusions without reading carefully enough. I said "atheistic worldviews". It is entirely possible for a person to pretend to be a Christian but to actually follow an atheist worldview - most people do. Indeed, it would be impossible for anyone to live consistently within the Christian worldview, since it is entirely subjective and contrary to knowledge.

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The tangential worldview discussion has been split off here.

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